Tips for the youths applying to guilds this summer
This time of the year brings with it an influx of guild applications from the younger crowd. These applications are often done with zeal and lust for a summer's worth of gaming that is unappreciated by adult players. After all, school's out and what better way to enjoy the good weather than to spend it sitting in front of a computer screen?My guild in particular has seen an increase of the 15 to 18 year old crowd applying to raid with us. Unfortunately many of these applications are not on par with what we're looking for in raider's gear and experience (we're done with the Black Temple and Mount Hyjal, and are working on the Sunwell). Everyone is also 18+ in our guild, and we'd like to keep it that way.
However, we have seen a couple of applications come our way that have stood out from the rest. While these people are young, they have shown excellent communications skills, along with solid understanding of their class and raid awareness. While we have covered applying to a guild before, I think it would be appropriate to talk for a moment about some tips for the younger crowd trying to get into a guild this summer.
First and foremost, be honest about your gear and experience. If you are in full Karazhan gear, you're ready for some Serpentshrine Cavern and Tempest Keep action. You're not ready for Black Temple and Mount Hyjal, and definitely not ready for the Sunwell Plateau. While you can still submit applications to those guilds, don't expect them to accept you – it's a long shot. In stead, look for well-established guilds that are working on content that your gear is ready for.
Second, face the facts. Some guilds are going to turn you down no matter what gear or experience you have because of your age. That's their prerogative, and don't linger on it. Instead of becoming upset that people are turning you away because you're young, look at it as a challenge to prove that you don't fit the mold of an "emo teenager" or an "uneducated youth."
Third, always spell check. One of the biggest no-nos in any application is spelling and grammar errors. If you are serious about the guild, and serious about raiding, be serious about your application and make sure it's spell checked.
Fourth, don't commit to more than you can do. Some hard core guilds go for four hours a night five or six days a week. Chances are that as a younger person you're not going to be able to do that reliably. While you might be able to sit in front of your computer for hours at a time, if your parents come calling that you need to go take out the trash – you can't tell them no (and get away with it).
Fifth, look for a more casual approach. The hard core guilds are often times going to be unforgiving of mistakes and miscues on your part, and they're not going to want to spend a lot of time training and gearing someone only to have them leave in four months. Instead, look to guilds that are more casual in nature. They will often times provide a better environment for you, including one that you can be in when school resumes in the fall.
All in all, the best piece of advice is to just think and be smart when applying to guilds. Be honest with yourself and them, and give yourself a lot of options. Don't worry if you get rejected – often times the reasons for rejection are completely out of your control. But at the same time take these tips to heart and don't give them a reason to reject your application.
Good luck in your summer raiding!
For those wondering what the picture is, I suggest taking an evening and watching or reading A Clockwork Orange.
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Reader Comments (Page 6 of 6)
Gimmlette May 29th 2008 12:31AM
One item hasn't been commented on and, at the risk of starting another flame war, I'll make it. Guilds are NOT democracies. The way the current guild system is designed, I, as guild leader, can create the guild in any form or flavor I so wish. There is no button for "share GL" or "coup" should I prove incompetent. If I decide I want only people from a certain state, then my guild screening processes will reflect that. The current guild structure lends itself to some of the "-isms" we rail against; racism, sexism, ageism.
I am old enough to be the mother of 75% of my guild, grandmother to 2%. Some of the comments about younger than 18's have hit the nail squarely on the head, but they can also apply to over 18's, heck, over 35's. I have kicked >18's and
Gimmlette May 29th 2008 12:43AM
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Gimmlette May 29th 2008 12:43AM
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Nanoo May 29th 2008 7:32AM
I would urge young readers to "roll your own" if you're looking for a guild this summer.
Pick a cool name, recruit all your friends, and rule your kingdom YOUR WAY.
I'm in a guild where we put a teenager in charge of recruiting a couple of weeks ago and now *I'VE* been charged with the task of kicking most of them out because they're little teenage morons who have the "gimme gimme gimme gimme" perspective on guilds. They're the ones who spam "ROUGE LF GOOD GIULD" (typo intentional) in trade chat, and "good" from their perspective is a guild with 100k+ gold in the bank they can freely take to buy the latest phat lootz.
The reason you freaks come knocking at my guild door is because "your" guilds can't survive because nobody has the motivation to get off their arses and grind and everybody in the guild is DPS -- because we all know DPS is the only thing that matters.
I would *so* pay more for an adult verified server and leave you imbeciles to play somewhere else.
/rant mode off
Bynde May 29th 2008 1:18PM
I may burn in Ageist hell, but I hooted and hollered and LMAO at Squishy's comment.
For the Geezers!
MasterAsh May 29th 2008 3:03PM
When I was 14, I thought I acted mature for my age. . .
When I was 17, I thought I acted about right for 14, though more contained, but definitely thought I was more mature at 17. . .
When I was 21, I thought I acted about right for 17, though a great deal more contained, but definitely thought I was more mature at 21. . .
I am now 27, and I must say despite being "more contained," I don't feel I was anywhere near as mature, tactful, insightful, or as respectful as I am now.
And in several more years. . .I'm sure I'll think I could've been better at 27.
BompaH Jun 9th 2008 6:40PM
To sum up what became a long rant: I hate liars and most people below the age of 22-23 are immature idiots.
Just have to say, if you lie on a guild app about anything and this is later revealed, I would not hesitate to kick you in an instant, no matter how good you are, no matter if you are our MT, our top DPS or the most 'zOMG 1337' healer on the server, you lied on the application form, how can I trust you with anything?. If you did that on an application form for a job, you would get fired and could end up in court.
Also, I am currently 27, I have no problem socializing with people significantly above or below my age for a specific occasion such as a work event, a wedding, birthday party you name it, but unless you are my girlfriends brother, my cousin etc. I would not go out for a beer with you on even a semi regular basis, why? we will have very few things in common.
Aimed at the younger folks:
Me moaning about my day at work and the crap we are having with our current project etc. (I do not sell home electronics for a living, nor do I flip burgers or work in customer services/call center), the bills that never seems to stop falling through that mail box, moving house or how crap my pension portfolio is performing, will to those who are below 22-23 be gobbeltigook.
Trust me, your latest 'super awesome freak-out drinking binge' is of no interest to me what so ever, I drink alcohol because I love the taste of the whiskey/beer etc. I am drinking at the time, I also do it because it is sociable. When I feel I have had one too many, guess what, I drink water or take a cab home, I don't stumble into a ditch puking my guts out, though I did do that a few times between 14-20.
The point I am trying to make, (rather poorly) is that I don't care for your lifestyle, I was there and am very glad I do not ever ever have to re-live it, really, I hated it with all my heart, that is why I do not want to be reminded of that time in my life, it was shit, I was always broke, I was always drunk for one reason or another and I thought I was so smart, so mature and soooo grown up, I wasn't and still isn't.
Haderic Jun 24th 2008 4:33PM
My guild does ask the age question, but we have no age requirement. I would guess the mean age of our guild is 28, maybe 30. We are a raiding guild, so when reviewing apps we focus primarily on A) references from guild members proving the app's skill B) their spec How someone specs can show their knowledge of their gear/gems. C) their gear. We are willing and have geared Kara players up to BT level gear, but we are only going to spend the time if we know the player is skilled.
Age does not matter for us, respect and maturity do.
We have an excelent priest app right now that tops our healing meters and is very aware of what to do, yet he is (excuse the language) an asshole. I dont know what is age is but his poor attitude is what will cause his expulsion from the guild. Our guild has had 10year olds MT, and a 66 year old rogue. It's not about age, its's maturity.