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6-06-2008 @ 1:10AM
I check people on the armory before most groups (or most groups if I'm tanking for them) just to get a baseline level of competency and experience. Not necessarily to see that they've got all epics and a specific set of talent points or whatever... but I personally like to see all PVE gear for a PVE instance, a PVE spec and generally the right sort of gear in the right slots, the right gems, etc. Depending on the instance, decent stats with their gear too. If you're going to be a healer for a harder heroic, kara or a 25-man, I personally insist on no green gear and things to be enchanted and/or gemmed. Stuff with no gems is bad, not sucking it up and enchanting your gear is bad, etc. Having caster gear as a healer, or just poor choices in general is not desireable. It's not to be elitist, I'll play with someone in nothing but dungeon blues, but they have to at least show that they make an effort at understanding the game. However, i think at the same time a lot of lesser intelligent people (like that tank in the post) treat gear inspections like a bad internet meme. They see other people doing it and figure that if they do it but are totally more strict than the guy they're copying or set some arbitrarily high limit (preferably one that will overcompensate for their own lack of gear and/or intelligence) then they're going to be successful. I really don't think that's the case, and it's fun to see kara pugs demanding +1800 heals, +1200dmg or 1800AP DPS'ers or whatever. You can almost always spot the guy who organizes it, based on their own gear being mostly blue and you know they're doing the run in hopes of getting 9 people to carry them through the whole thing and gear up their new alt. Maybe 1/10 of the pugs like that are really all T5+ geared people just looking to do a quick badge run, but for the most part it's always one slacker getting everyone else to do their work. At least on my server. So, a good idea but taken a bit too far by people who shouldn't be throwing stones in the first place.
6-06-2008 @ 3:36AM
FYI, in no way can "competency" be determined by someone's armory. You could easily have someone decked out in epics under 2 dangerous circumstances:1. PvP welfare epics (no competency required)2. Genuine PvE epics obtained via gearing up (not paying attention in the raid/instance and just looting)A side note, I've definitely noticed a lot of folks that DO lack competency (with or without gear) and was thinking this might be a result of the faster leveling system. i.e. players don't learn their roles in instances since quest EXP was buffed, and they don't actually do instances. Thoughts?
6-06-2008 @ 7:05AM
Craig, that was one of my biggest concerns whent hey lowered the leveling requirements a few patches ago -- as well as making many quests that required multiple people suddenly soloable. My fear, and perhaps rightfully so given the waves of neophytes running amok, was that these people wouldn't have the basic mechanics of the game down, which you would normally learn in a group or going into instances with like-leveled individuals. Without that requirement, I've seen people who have quite literally almost never stepped foot into an instance suddenly capable of entering a heroic dungeon and yet not know what aggro is or how to crowd control or that different classes are often assigned other basic roles.It's not a matter of being elitist. As I've pointed out in the past on this site, I am a frequent PuGer. 99.9% of my groups are found by selling myself in the LFG interface. And I'll join heroic groups with a tank in all greens despite the fact that I'm decked out in gear far surpassing the required level for the instance. Why?1) I really like the challenge, and2) I enjoy helping others.If we don't take the opportunity to teach others the basic mechanics of the game and help them improve their performance, we don't have the right to lament about the lack of "good" tanks and "good" healers and "good" DPSers.The old World of Warcraft adage is that gear doesn't make a good player. With how easy it is to acquire shiny blues and purples, we can honestly say that gear really isn't a deciding factor for groups, especially since soem greens can be better than blues, as sheepe noted.I'd rather take a neophyte who is willing to listen and learn than a purple wielding asshat who thinks he's God's gift to the group and is just an epic fail.
6-06-2008 @ 12:28PM
Dave Said:"I personally insist on no green gear and things to be enchanted and/or gemmed"That is a horrible standard. You miss out on all the people who thoughtfully chose gear, and only get people who play a lot and who just look at colors rather than actual stats. Green gear can be better than PURPLE gear for certain slots and classes. "___ of the ____" gear is often great for any classes that have a bonus tied into a particular stat.The color of their gear is *how often it drops mixed with the level of difficulty of the place it is obtained from*. Not how good it is.Their *stats for their role* is what is important: MP5 + heal for a pally healer, +int second, with armor and HP a third. For instance, my boots are the +40 int greens with Vitality on them. This gives me +mana +spellcrit +MP5 and +heal. There are any number of blue feet I could get that would be available for my class, but *none* of them would help my role better, nor improve my stats in a net benefit way. I need the Sabatons from the QD badge vendor to find a non-MrT Heroic or non-Raid upgrade for my feet. I have passed on blue feet because they are not as good as my greens. I don't use my two purple trinkets and instead use a talesite owl, as that mana regen is better than what the purples do. I don't enchant my back, cause frankly, all suck for a healer who wears plate.As you seem to desire a simplistic rule for quickly ruling out a lot of people, may I suggest http://be.imba.hu? It analyzes people's gear and stats and gives both a number, and places them on a continuum showing where their upper and lower limits are.There are several of the heroics with any reasonably competent tank which I can farm now in less than an hour. However your rule would exclude me. Sounds like your rule is broken cause it misses theorycrafters who have to get to Zul'Aman or Late Kara to really progress any farther gear wise.
6-06-2008 @ 12:10PM
Craig:That is why I refuse to boost people through instances (exception people I know, but I prefer to use an alt of the proper level instead and offer to try and find a group). I don't want to end up being in a group where some duckfart having been pulled through the levels ends up and not knowing how to play his class. Unfortunately, the faster levelling system thwarts that somehow. I would prefer to see that system only work if you already have a max-level character on your account, or you're back to the slower system.
6-06-2008 @ 1:23PM
I have difficulty I suppose filling the comment boxes with my full replies lately so I've started a crappy blog. http://www.angrytauren.com/?p=10that perhaps more accurately fits my attitude towards things a bit better. I absolutely disagree with anyone who thinks you can't tell something about someone from their armory profile. If you really think that, then you're probably someone who has something wrong already. As for green gear being a better in-slot item than blue/purple gear, I don't think that's a very intelligent statement most of the time. There are very very few exceptions, and almost no exceptions that aren't easily ruled out by easy to get heroic or badge gear. Same goes for enchants. If you're saying these things, you're the exact person I'd prefer not to group with. Ultimately that's what this game is about. I'd prefer to play with people who are of a similar mindset to me. I'm sure there's groups out there for everyone, and lots of people would rather find people who choose to at least make an effort. If you're using green plate boots because you for whatever reason think an extra 20 int helps you more than any of the Mail +healing boots, Leather +healing boots or even cloth +healing boots, then that's fine... but I wholeheartedly disagree. Especially for a healer who shouldn't be getting hit in the first place.
7-17-2008 @ 8:03AM
If I copied your exact word I couldn't say it better...LOLI love you : )
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