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Let's leap right into things, and see what Tyler wants to know, shall we?
Question: If the Ashbringer is really the Light's answer to Frostmourne, then why isn't anyone trying to use it, or destroy it? Is it because that Tirion Fordring has it? If he does, in WotLK then, he needs our help to weaken the Lich King and let him use it?
Answer: Nobody is using the Ashbringer right now because nobody has the Ashbringer in its true, Light-blessed form. Last we knew, the Ashbringer was still in Highlord Mograine's hands in a Corrupted form. The latest Know Your Lore covers the events leading up to that in a little more detail. Currently, we either need to purify The Ashbringer or forge a new one to be able to use it against the Lich King.
Nillex asks...
Since the Sunwell story is over do you think we will see Kalecgos again? Do you think he may appear in Northrend to help Alexstrasza and the Red Dragonflight or maybe even be a possible enemy and side with Malygos? I just thought it was an interesting topic and i have been discussing it in depth with my friends. We would love to have your opinion on it.
A: I think this could really go either way. Kalecgos might be in Northrend, but if he is, I doubt that he will play a major role. Involved, but not a highlighting character. His personal story came to a climax in the Sunwell more or less, so I imagine Alexstrasza and Malygos will be the top dogs in that story arc. It's unlikely Kalecgos wlil be personally involved, but if he is, it'll be pretty minor.
name! asked a few questions...
Q: What is Tirisfal?
A: There are things that we know, and things that we don't know about Tirisfal. The Tirisfal Glades are where the Highborne who fled Kalimdor landed after the Sundering, before settling Quel'Thalas. It later became home to Humans and the center of the Kingdom of Lordaeron. After a really long time, the Scourge came along, destroyed the kingdom, and turned everyone into Undead. A fraction of the undead army broke free of the Will of the Lich King, named themselves the Forsaken, and now rule that region.
What we don't know mostly surrounds the Tirisfalen, the Council of Tirisfal. They were a Council of very, very powerful Mages who fought the Burning Legion in secrecy. The Council was founded by High Elves as far as we know, so it's a little unusual Tirisfal was their gathering place and not Quel'Thalas. However, there is mention of being something very, very powerful beneath the Tirisfal Glades, with little indication of what it may be. We do know that the Titans sealed some of the Old Gods underground, so that may be the source of that power, but we don't really know for sure (though there is evidence that it might be the case). It may be tied to the Legion somehow, or some other source of power entirely.
Q: What is Grim Batol?
A: We have a Know Your Lore entry that explains it in detail. In short, it's a Dwarven Stronghold that had to be abandoned after a war, and it was later taken over by the Dragonmaw Orcs to hold Alexastrasza captive.
Q: What is south of Silverpine Forest?
A: That is Gilneas, sealed away behind the Greymane Wall. Gilneas is a Human Kingdom, one that was part of the Alliance at one time, but not especially loyal to it. Sometime around the Second War, Genn Greymane (King of Gilneas) told Lordaeron and the Alliance to shove it up their arse. The quote:
"Damn the orcs, damn the Alliance, and damn you! The last thing Gilneas needs is sponges from other nations drawing from our resources, Dalaran wizards meddling with our affairs, and someone else's enemies killing our soldiers! Gilneas is its own nation and it always will be. This is the last time I'll ever talk to you, Terenas, so I hope you were listening."
There are a few different rumors regarding what would be happening behind the wall because we haven't heard from Gilneas at all since the wall went up and it's unlikely a peninsula kingdom has gone untouched by the many threats in the world by simply walling themselves in. Due to their proximity to Shadowfang Keep, many think Gilneas has been turned into werewolves en masse. Others think they're all undead Scourge. Whatever is going on behind the wall, we probably won't really know for awhile yet.
Q: What is Uldum?
A: Uldum is a Titan-made structure in southern Tanaris. It was a resting place for the Earthen before they woke up, becoming Dwarves. For more information on what the Earthen are and the Dwarves' relation to them, I recommend running Uldaman just once despite how terrible the dungeon is to read the Disc of Norgannon. Alternatively, you can read the Wowwiki entry about them!
Mikel asked who the Lion of Azeroth was, but his response later implies he already knew the answer. However, since I'm sure not all of our readers know...
Q: Who is the Lion of Azeroth?
A: Anduin Lothar was the man known as the Lion of Azeroth, and he was a hero of the Alliance through multiple wars. You can see a monument to him in the Burning Steppes, near the place where he was finally killed. If you want to know more about him, Know Your Lore has covered him before, and Wowwiki has a large amount of excellent information as usual. If there's one hero from the Alliance's past you should know about, it's this guy. Second option being the leaders of the Alliance Expedition to Outland.
Eternalpayn asks...
Q: Where's Mankrik's Wife?
Answer:
Zach Carson asks...
If the Botanica is a zoo, Mech is a factory of some sort, and Arc is a prison, what did the Exodar used to be? it doesn't seem to have a useful part of Tempest Keep.
Answer: Most likely, it was the residential area of Tempest Keep. Where everyone lived, ate, slept, et cetera. All of the workers from those wings need to live somewhere, and I'm willing to bet Arc's security guards weren't too keen on sleeping with the prisoners. When Tempest Keep was attacked, everyone that could probably loaded into Exodar and took off to keep all of the civilians safe. I could be wrong on this one, but that's my best guess.
That's about all the time we have this week, ladies and gents. If I didn't get to your question this week, never fear! Ask a Lore Nerd will be back next week Sunday, answering as many of your questions as possible. Remember, don't be afraid to ask us your questions, no matter how large or small. Post them in the Comments field below, and I'll get to them as soon as I can. Thanks for reading and I'll see you next week.
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Reader Comments (Page 1 of 3)
xdawgg Jun 8th 2008 4:28PM
Awesome. ya know without the large lore in wow, this game would be less fun. Knowing the lore makes this game 10 times more fun IMO.
A quest comes to mind in Tarren Mill where you have to get a pendant that Thrall wants. Most people would think this a simple quest, where us lore hounds would love the fact that we're actually getting the pendant of the woman who was like a sister to Thrall and who helped free him....awesome.
I ask all of us to learn the lore and appreciate the game !
PimpyMicPimp Jun 8th 2008 7:15PM
"ya know without the large lore in wow, this game would be less fun."
True, but my Draenie Shaman is still named 'Plothole' for a reason.
Kevin Jun 8th 2008 9:23PM
I think it makes sense to have draenei shaman since they did live on Draenor with the orcs who practiced the shamanic ways.
Chai Jun 8th 2008 4:30PM
Remember, its been said Malygos wakes up and goes crazy, and makes it his mission to end the mortal races use of magic. It's been said he will play a semi-major antagonist role in Wrath.
"He is less than pleased by the rampant use of magic by the mortal races. He has become hostile to all magic-users, particularly the Kirin Tor of Dalaran. Dalaran has therefore moved to Northrend, as a capital for both the war against the Lich King, and the Kirin Tor's fight with Malygos." - Quoted from WoWWiki, which is confirmed by Metzen and Tigole.
So I don't think Alexstrasza and Malygos will be teaming up for said story arc. Just throwing that out there.
Alex Ziebart Jun 8th 2008 4:38PM
I didn't mean to say they were, just that those will be the primary lore characters involved.
Leviathon Jun 8th 2008 4:57PM
Malygos hasn't gone crazy hes actually become sane hence why he declares war on magic users.
ILikePvPbuthatePvPers Jun 8th 2008 5:05PM
Everyone knows that Malygos and Alexstraza will be fighting each other... I dunno where you got that they're teaming up...
Unmei Jun 8th 2008 5:53PM
I don't think he said they would team up. But Mal is a big power player in Northrend, and Alex being that she promised the humans to help them is now fighting against a dear friend.
So yeah Alex and Mal will be huge driving forces in Northrend via the dragon end of things.
magicswordking Jun 8th 2008 9:12PM
My guess is that Malygos is not entirely himself, so to speak. From my understanding, the Blue flight researched and captured some members of the netherwing dragonflight, or convinced them to go to Azeroth with them and meet with Malygos. It is the nether energies and abilities that have rejuvenated him.
Now, seeing as the Netherwing are good guys that come from a bad background, scions of the Black flight altered by the shattering of Draenor, I think there's something else at play here besides Malygos is pissed.
Leviathon Jun 8th 2008 4:29PM
Technically all 3 Titan cities were resting places for the Earthen though only the ones in Uldaman awoke and became what we now call Dwarves although its likely the Iron Dwarves in Northrend are the ones who awoke in Ulduar.
Iwanttobeasleep Jun 8th 2008 4:32PM
The Exodar also seems to be a place where they planned military operations, what with the image displays of the Legion in one of the wings.
What is the Eye for, though? Hm.
magicswordking Jun 8th 2008 9:27PM
Seeing as Tempest Keep is a fortress and not a spaceship, really, The Eye would be the command center, the true Keep of tempest keep as it were.
Much of the material relating to Tempest Keep notes that it has automated defenses, similar to Dalaran's magical turrets in War3, but that they were either shut off or destroyed in the wake of the Blood Elf takeover, the technology for restoring their functionality is likely far beyond the capabilities or interest of the occupying forces.
Kaorael Jun 8th 2008 4:34PM
Actually, Tempest Keep is a Naaru Vessel, not Draenei. The Naaru used it to reach Outland in answer to Khadgar's mental prayers, but it was taken by the Kael'thas shortly after the Naaru disembarked. The only one in Tempest Keep when it was attacked was M'uru, and as we know now he stayed so he could help redeem the Blood Elves.
The Exodar was taken later when Velen led a (rather huge) group of Draenei to Tempest Keep and stole it to try and reach Azeroth, but it was damaged in the battle and crashed with some Blood Elves still on board. The story on this is developped on the quests in the Draenei starting areas.
As for the different satellites of Tempest Keep, the only one we know for sure what was it's function is the Arcatraz, since A'dal says it was a prison to hold evil creatures captured by the Naaru in their travels. As for the others we can only guess if they were as we've seen or if the Blood Elves modified them to accomplish whatever function they had in mind (like harnessing Energon cubes, sorry, mana cubes).
TeragX Jun 8th 2008 4:42PM
What is Oshu'Gun, and why is there a naaru inside of it?
Daniel Whitcomb Jun 8th 2008 4:46PM
For your answer, TeragX, check out the Know Your Lore from a month or two back: http://www.wowinsider.com/2008/02/28/know-your-lore-oshugun/
Chai Jun 8th 2008 4:46PM
http://www.wowinsider.com/2008/02/28/know-your-lore-oshugun/
J. A. S. Jun 8th 2008 4:56PM
So if the elves evolved from trolls, and the drawves and gnomes evolved from earthen, and the orcs came from outer space, then where did humans come from?
Colin Behrens Jun 8th 2008 5:23PM
I believe that Humans are a mutation of either the Earthen or the Troggs, who are mutations of the Earthen.
Michel Jun 8th 2008 5:57PM
"and the drawves and gnomes evolved from earthen"
noone knows what the gnomes evolved from.
Gnomes evolved from Mountains giant of course :) (hey, they have four fingers hands too)
Leviathon Jun 8th 2008 8:41PM
In a interview in early May with Tigole he mentioned the Vrykul are the progenitors on the human race similar to the Earthen.