Do botters really matter?
Blizzard has had the big botting ban now in place for a couple of weeks, and there are a few people I've noticed who are not online. Additionally I've noticed a change in the auction house price. There are some items like low level enchanting mats that are going for tons more, and others such as high level crafting mats which are going for much less. This is outside of the normal market fluctuations on my server, and many people attribute to the removal of botters.This could be a fallacy of causation – the removal of botters might not have lead to the shakeup at the auction house. There really is no way to prove it, other than the circumstantial evidence of price fluctuations timed with the removal of often-botted items. And in the end, these price fluctuations end up being a wash anyways – the extra that is spent on the lower level items is more than likely offset by the cheaper higher level items.
Between the recent wave of bannings and the seemingly nominal impact the ban has had on the overall economy, this begs the questions – do botters really matter? And should Blizzard just ignore them?
While it might seem like the answer is a firm no, let's take a look at some of the underlying reasons and assumptions that people bot and why it's considered bad. In particular we'll look at reasons surrounding leveling, playing the economy, and engaging in PvP.
Leveling
One of the main reasons people bot is to level their character up to a certain level quickly, skipping over content they've already done. This is against the rules according to Blizzard's terms of service, there's no question about that, but morally and pragmatically speaking for some individuals, it's not outside the bounds of acceptable behavior. People's reasoning is that if they've already done the content – why should they be forced to repeat it? This is a valid criticism of the game, no matter if you support botting or not. And within that valid criticism people have came up with a solution – botting.
A primary negative effect that is often cited as a reason to not allow characters to level via bots is that it devalues the meaning of a max level character. While this might be true when looking at the system with quantitative measurements (ie: everyone has a 70 of every class), it is not true on the qualitative side. A person that has leveled his or her character to 70 by hand will have a much better grasp on the fundamentals of the class than a person who had botted his or her way to 70. This is a key point: the botter is going to have problems playing the game at 70, while the non-botter will naturally transition into the end game. Eventually few people will want to play with the botted character, and thus by natural laissez-faire principles, the botters will have less incentive to bot over leveling a character the normal way – thus correcting the problem itself. If anything, the botter is only cheating himself out of the leveling experience, not affecting the rest of the WoW community.
Economy
Another key reason people bot is because of the economic value to them. If they can set their bot up correctly they can bring in hundreds of gold an hour – all automated. This frees the botter up to do other things in life. Positives of this include the ability to collect the large necessary quantities of materials often required of high end profession leveling, and the ease of making money off of other items collected.
An often quoted negative of botting for economic reasons is the impact on the in-game economy. While it is true that botters have a tendency to create "wacky" situations in the economy – it is also true that a non-botter can. For instance, say a botter uses his botting-enhanced farming to pick up hundreds of high level enchanting mats. He then goes on to sell them all on the auction house. Because his artificially created supply outweighs the demand by so much, the price of the materials plummets. This is not a good situation for those trying to make money, but at the same time it is a good situation for those needing the materials.
At the same time a non-botter can cause just as much economic turmoil in the economy. Take something that I've been doing lately. I have a product I'm selling on the AH, we'll just call it Super Widgets for the sake of discussion. These Super Widgets have a normal economic value of 1000g. However there is limited demand for these Super Widgets, and I have (by normal non-botting means) obtained a large supply of the Super Widgets. I want to create a natural looking economic situation where the price for Super Widgets goes up. What can I do? I set several Super Widgets high above normal market value – say 4000g. I leave these up at that price indefinitely. On another alt, I sell a few more Super Widgets for 2000g, and then a couple on another alt at 1500g. Each price level is done on a different alt, so it appears as if there is a price war going on for my Super Widgets amongst many people. Unsuspecting individuals will see the Super Widgets for 1500g, buy them, and enjoy them with the false knowledge that they've beaten a high end price by 2500g. However they've actually played into my hands by 500g, giving me some nice profit on an item I have large quantities of. In addition to creating artificial pricing situations, I have more or less created an artificial demand for these Super Widgets. Nothing is more destructive to an economy than artificially created supply and demand situations. To sum up my point and be very clear: a player can have just as destructive a force via normal (and legitimate) means as a botter can have via abnormal (and illegitimate) means.
PvP
Perhaps the most hotly contested of the reasons people bot is because of the PvP system. It is possible for bots to earn honor and rewards via gear and other such token turn ins faster than a non botter. A typical (smart) botter might go smack a few players around in a battleground, and then leave the rest of the game up to the bot. This will have the effect of giving him the rest of the honor and token from the game with only a fraction of the work of others. More so, this action is repeatable easily throughout an entire day with barely any effort on the part of the botter.
Obviously, this can throw off PvP gear balance if done on a massive scale. However, does it really? These botters will still suffer from the lack of PvP skills as they haven't worked on their abilities through countless battles. While they may have more gear than some people, their PvP skills will be lacking and cannot be made up for. Again, it appears the botter is "cheating" only himself out of his skill, and not the rest of the greater WoW community.
Conclusion
In conclusion, it is rather clear to me that while botting in WoW is against the terms of service (and I highly advise everyone not the break them), it is not against the greater WoW community's good. Botting just doesn't have any adverse effect on a large number of people, and any effect it does have isn't any more than can be done by a person playing the market or battlegrounds in a particular way.
While it is definitely within Blizzard's right to remove the botters because of the terms of service, one has to wonder if this is the best action. In my opinion, it is not. Let them play the game the way they want, and I'll play it the way I want. Since they don't affect me anymore then any other person in the game does/can I don't really care; and that answers my original question. Do botters really matter? No more than we let them.
For those wondering, the picture for this article is of D'Anna from Battlestar Galactica. While she looks human, underneath her skin she is nothing more than a conflicted (ro)bot.
Filed under: Analysis / Opinion, Economy, PvP, Features, Leveling
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Reader Comments (Page 3 of 7)
Manatank Jun 9th 2008 1:45PM
"New players have no chance to buy gear on the AH, people who don't farm dailies have no chance to buy mats on the AH, and people who farm items legitimately see artificially lowered prices as a result of botted abundance."
I get what you are saying in general, but how can botters both create a situation where no one can afford anything, while also lowering prices?
I assume you must be pointing out the situation I've noticed where low level greens were super expensive, but high level stuff is cheap. On my server everything is expensive.
Ever since the SSO dailies, I've had more gold on hand, but have had to spend nearly twice as much on raid consumables, so it has been mostly a wash.
Gessilea Jun 9th 2008 2:03PM
I could agree with some of your points, but I'll tell you firsthand that "New players have no chance to buy gear on the AH" is totally false. Leaving aside the point that you don't need to buy gear off the AH to level (my first toon didn't discover the AH until well into her 30s and I still had a blast), inflation has made low level mats expensive as well.
I recently rerolled on a new (to me) server. I was curious to see how fast I could earn gold with absolutely no help at all, so I chose a hunter and took herbalist and mining for my professions. She's now level 25, has 200g, and has regularly upgraded AH greens. Copper sells for 3-6 gold a stack, low level herbs anywhere from 50s - 10g a stack.
Add to this the fact that the cost of low level greens is all over the place. Yes, experienced players will put up level 10 leather "of the monkey" for 5g, but all those new players who don't know any better post gear for much cheaper. I have no idea what effect botters have on this situation, but I'll tell you right off, it's as easy now to have a lowbie as ever, and possibly even advantageous. When I was first leveling and selling copper for 20s a stack, it sure was a lot harder to earn gold for my first mount, for example.
Iwanttobeasleep Jun 9th 2008 2:40PM
I agree!
It's all well and good for 70s, and 70s alts, but it can be pretty tough if you don't have any funding. Leveling a gear dependent class can be really fucking tough without visiting the AH (good luck pugging low level instances these days!), and if you're actually bothering with a tradeskill (sorry, I don't want to take up mining and skinning, and redoing my trade skills at 70 so that I can have something useful), money can be really tight.
Those are all things that happen naturally, but if they're happening artificially because of bots, it can really suck.
Bob Jun 9th 2008 1:38PM
The author obviously had a pre-formed bias about botting prior to writing this article, and never bothered to really think about the big picture. Internet pseudo-journalism at its best. I hear Fox News is hiring, I bet you have a shot!
juicyjuice Jun 9th 2008 1:38PM
I agree with most of your points here, to the extent that botters really only aggravate me in pvp. If youre just gliding your way to 70 because youve already done it 3 or 4 times, go right ahead. Youre not bothering me any. But in BGs, i will report them when i see them.
Maybe Blizz should take a page from the Tabula Rasa "cloning" design and give players more freedom to change their characters class to experience something new without having to roll a completely different toon. Sure, people would still use the old argument that you dont truly understand your class if you havent levelled all the way through. But id say thats a pretty weak argument. WOW is so top heavy, the entire leveling grind becomes really about getting to 70, not about truly coming to understand your toon. And you spend so much time at 70, it easily makes up for the unbearable 40-50 grind you had to suffer through with a lack of available quests and an incomplete set of abilities.
I personally cant understand how people take such issue with botters but let the evil soulless multiboxers walk freely through the streets of our cities. But I guess if blizzard was getting 5 or 10 times the subscription fee from botters like they are from the multiboxers, we probably wouldnt hear much of a stink about it either.
Jeff Givens Jun 9th 2008 1:42PM
I've been a loyal reader of wowinsider since the site was launched and have never posted, but I thought I could throw my opinion out there for once on this subject. However, since this is my first post, I just want to take a moment to express my appreciate for the site and the bloggers that are constantly giving me new topics of discussions to read about. Top notch site, IMO. Keep up the great work. *wipes his nose off before the real post*
I botted for 3 weeks to level a mage. I used the service Glider between the levels of 14-58 simply to reach the outlands, where I decided to take control of the character because at that point I enjoy getting the "massive" gear upgrades, soloing certain challenges of the zones, aiding the reputation grinds (which botting will cause you to miss out on) with quests/dungeons. I have never botted in BGs, though I will comment on that later.
First, I'd like to say that I was very happy with the service because it was fast, efficient, and allowed me to take care of my collegiate duties, work duties, and marriage/social duties all the while happily plugging away at the leveling process.
Second, I'd like to state that I will never bot again. With the ban hammer coming down so heavily on people recently, and my own personal satisfaction of having the mage that I had always wanted (who is now my 5th level 70--4 leveled legitimately, the mage being partially botted), it is too risky at the moment for someone who doesn't have a good understanding of Warden's capabilities to safely use the botting programs.
My own personal feelings towards botting in general is that as long as others are not feeling the ripple of your own actions, then I see no problem in utilizing that sort of service (aside from being against ToS, of course). I start getting upset when people are abusing things such as farming spots (like Ivan said) or botting in Battlegrounds.
Botting while leveling is a bit different from BG botting and popular reagent farming spot botting for one specific reason: You can assist yourself while not affecting anyone else's playtime if you level in obscure locations, grinding on mobs that are not needed for quests/tradeskills/reagents/etc.
Battleground Botting bothers me because it DOES hurt the integrity of the team. Just like AFKing, the team imbalance becomes skewed and the botters are directly impacting the outcome of the game by reducing the effective number of players in that particular BG.
So back to the original question, "Do botters really matter?" Yes, they matter, but Blizzard is really closing the lid on botters these days, and while I do believe the economy has been affected by the ban hammer coming down, it's not enough to completely destroy most servers' economy.
As for botters being "bad players," I can see where you're coming from, but I just think bad players are gonna be bad players regardless of whether they level their characters or not. After playing over 8 classes at max level (combined pre-bc and bc), alts come easy to me. Not to mention with access to great articles from sites such as wowinsider, great forums like Elitist Jerks, etc. it is VERY easy to gain a deep understanding of your class's capabilities and necessities. Case in point: I don't think the argument that botters are bad players really holds up. I simply think that players are going to be bad one way or the other.
Gessilea Jun 9th 2008 2:18PM
That's a very well written response Jeff. However, I do not understand the justification you made for botting that mage. It seems as though your only motivation was laziness. You admit you have a number of max level characters, so clearly you have had the time in the past to level characters, and understand the ins and outs of legitimate power leveling. What exactly did you gain by botting? You got a mage a couple months earlier than otherwise?
As you said, you were able to mind your other responsibilities while your character was leveled for you. That sounds all well and good, but I think the real issue is the slippery slope of how much of a slippery slope this is. If you can bot to level, why not bot to grind? After all, gold farming can get very tedious, as we all know! And if you're botting for your gold, why not bot for PvP honor? So now you're just logging on to run instances, with everything else handed to you. What's to say that you're not just going to lose interest in the game? Your sense of personal accomplishment, or connection to your character is much less than if you'd put in that effort yourself. If players aren't connected to their characters, I think they're much more likely to leave the game entirely. If things are too easy, there's not a lot of point in doing them at all.
Iwanttobeasleep Jun 9th 2008 2:45PM
Nice post. I think there's an important distinction between moral and immoral botting. I'm glad that botting is not allowed, because plenty of people don't care if their botting affects other people, but it would be nice if I could have the character I want at the level I want. I want to play the game, but I want the game to start in the Outland!
Pzychotix Jun 9th 2008 6:01PM
The problem isn't that these accomplishments are hard. The problem is that getting a level 70 is sheer boredom. Should people should be ENCOURAGED to have to waste a couple hundred hours before they can play the game? No, leveling a character, grinding away at the same quests is not fun and interesting. I've already leveled 2 70s, and I've bought another two.
PVP in greens is very uninteresting to me, when there's zero chance at winning a fight. People will bowl over you, and there's literally no point. Assuming 1k honor per hour, it will take a fresh character 160 hours to get all the pvp gear from honor. That's almost 7 days of straight playtime. From Blizzard's standpoint, I can see why it takes so long to prep characters: they want customers staying here as long as possible.
But I'm looking at it from a player's stand point. With such a high barrier for entry, why even bother? It's a game, and spending 160 hours getting gibbed is not anyone's idea of fun. Imagine any other console game where you have to sit there for 7 days straight before you can actually start playing the game. It wouldn't fly. So why should this fly here? Just because Blizzard says so? That's a huge logical fallacy, and you should stop being blinded by big brother Blizzard.
Gryphon Hall Jun 10th 2008 5:33AM
I'm quite sure all those in professional sports would engage in activities you would find really boring: passing a ball back and forth, back and forth, jogging in place, skip rope, etc. You'd want them to be in the "real" game, in front of TV cameras and stuff. Now, no problems there if you're just not into sports, but to insist that, finding such activities such a chore, you insist that it is your right to play in front of TV cameras without training with your mates.
PvP in greens uninteresting to you? I've been in plenty of AV fights where we were fighting with people who were in their mid-60's and wearing quest reward greens slapping around 70's with pieces of S1 gear (those shoulders are unmistakeable) just because we know how to play the battleground and how to control the field. Same thing in AB and Warsong Gulch. As many guesses as you like who has the REAL skill: those who actually leveled their toons themselves or just used bots to quickly get gear. Of course we get gibbed (they are in S1 gear after all), but because we control the objectives and we don't all rush rush without any backup to fill the hole when said mid-60 players are gibbed, we STILL win.
Uninteresting to you? Anybody who needs better gear as a crutch shouldn't even be in PvP. Stick to farming in some lonely place away from those who are actually playing (oh, wait... botter do that already).
It's been said before, I'll say it again: If you think Blizzard is doing you wrong, the best way to hurt them is stop playing. Cheating only hurts other players, not them.
Pzychotix Jun 10th 2008 4:43PM
Because newcomers learn the proper mechanics of BGs while leveling, amirite? No, they do it the same way botters do: by diving in without knowing a thing. The only difference now, is that the botter has a better chance of winning. Whether they botted or leveled, both come into BGs not knowing a single thing, because they're not taught anything about these places while they level up.
And if gear is only a crutch, how about getting gladiator status in all greens? It's only a crutch you know.
I think I'll just take a quote from the guy who's probably getting his inbox spammed here:
"As for botters being "bad players," I can see where you're coming from, but I just think bad players are gonna be bad players regardless of whether they level their characters or not. After playing over 8 classes at max level (combined pre-bc and bc), alts come easy to me. Not to mention with access to great articles from sites such as wowinsider, great forums like Elitist Jerks, etc. it is VERY easy to gain a deep understanding of your class's capabilities and necessities. Case in point: I don't think the argument that botters are bad players really holds up. I simply think that players are going to be bad one way or the other."
J. A. S. Jun 9th 2008 1:46PM
I have noticed an increase in the price of lower level enchanting mats, but the thing that confused me was the drastic reduction in the price of level 55 healing potions. I used to be able to sell those for over a gold each, and now it's down to the same price as the sell from a vendor.
Aaron Jun 9th 2008 1:49PM
I may be ignorant with regards to bots, but is there something in PvP that bots do other then hide at our base in AV and hop up and down?
While I am spared the endless shouting of stressed out WoW players when someone is botting, I cannot see how having a useless teammate -doesn't- affect me. People who bot in PvP would frusterate me as much as the people who give up after one flag cap in WSG. I enter a BG to try and win or at least put up a good fight and seeing someone not trying would be like playing football with friends when suddenly that guy who went running for the ball just starts to do somersaults until he runs into the house. It might be funny at first but ...yeah, get him off my team.
Leveling at least theres a reason. Leveling is "Hey, I want to play with my friends but theres a lot of catching up to do" I can understand that although I still think you're not gonna know how to play your class.
But cheat/gearing up in PvP? Why? Are they pushing to Arena? Is there PvE gear subpar and they think this will help in some spots?
As for farming...once again, why? Sure you can sell your proceeds and buy an epic flyer but after that are you planning on selling the gold? This day in WoW having gold really serves very little in my eyes. I hand out 100-200 gold to my guildies who don't have any because to me, it has no purpose (and I kinda like it that way).
So yeah, just my two cents. I'm curious to see other peoples opinions.
Pzychotix Jun 9th 2008 6:32PM
Bots in BGs are symptoms of a flawed system that requires players to sit around and wait for the gear to flow in. Assuming 1k honor per hour, you need to spend at least 7 days before you can get full S1 gear. And no, subpar PVE gear does not help you in PVP.
It's not to say that bots aren't a problem in BGs, but people should at least see that bots aren't the source. Blizzard's timesink system is the culprit.
Gryphon Hall Jun 10th 2008 5:37AM
Pzychotix: When one is learning to play soccer, they don't go about saying "Why can't we use our hands? Why is it so easy to get injured? Why can't we just hold the ball and run with it like the Americans do? Why are you pulling a red card on me for hand-tapping that ball into the goal? Soccer is such a flawed game, I'd rather play Australian Rules Footy instead."
No, you don't ask such stupid questions. You take a look at the rules, play within the limits and play within the game. WoW has such rules and yapping all over about how flawed it is to justify botting will not change what botters are: cheaters.
Red card!
Pzychotix Jun 10th 2008 4:50PM
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Football
And thank god we did have someone break the rules!
"William Webb Ellis, a pupil at Rugby School, is said to have "with a fine disregard for the rules of football, as played in his time [emphasis added], first took tha ball in his arms and ran with it, thus creating the distinctive feature of the rugby game." in 1823. This act is usually said to be the beginning of Rugby football, but there is little evidence that it occurred, and most sports historians believe the story to be apocryphal. The act of 'taking the ball in is arms' is often misinterpreted as 'picking the ball up' as it is widley believed that Webb Ellis' 'crime' was handling the ball, as in modern soccer, however handling the ball as the time was often permitted and in some cases compulsory [16] , the rule for which Webb Ellis showed disregard was running forward with it as the rules of his time only allowed a player to retreat backwards or kick forwards."
Let's not forget the many of rules that have been changed or removed altogether from a multitude of sports.
Arturis Jun 9th 2008 1:49PM
"People's reasoning is that if they've already done the content – why should they be forced to repeat it? This is a valid criticism of the game, no matter if you support botting or not."
I want to play chess, but Ive already played chess before, can I start with my pieces arranged with the other player's king in check? Because, I mean, Ive started legitimately in a different game, so I shouldn't have to go through all that "starting position" content again...
Pzychotix Jun 9th 2008 6:28PM
Only difference being that:
1) Costs for replaying the game up to that point are largely non-existant.
2) You can do that if you want.
3) Botting or levelling a character will net you the same character. Playing out a game will not net you the same positions.
Gryphon Hall Jun 9th 2008 11:27PM
Ok, since Pzychotix doesn't see the similarities, let's try this:
Baseball. Takes time to play. There are costs to playing it. Shoot. Will starting the game with all the bases filled and the ball thrown so that I will always give a home run be allowed? Just so I wouldn't have to actually go through the process of actually trying to play to win? Can we do that if we "want"? Since we all end up at home base anyway, right?
Pzychotix Jun 9th 2008 11:48PM
Wow, now you're missing the point entirely. Swing and a miss, my friend.
Botting doesn't give you a scenario with "starting the game with all the bases filled and the ball thrown so that I will always get a home run"
Botting nets you the start scenario where you have a team ready to play ball. Botting isn't going to net you free wins. Botting isn't going to rig games for you. Botting within the scope of this example would be akin to the automation of the task of recruiting people, getting a baseball field ready, gathering the materials needed for baseball (i.e. bats, helmets, etc.)
Botting does not make you a superhuman inside WoW.