Do botters really matter?
Blizzard has had the big botting ban now in place for a couple of weeks, and there are a few people I've noticed who are not online. Additionally I've noticed a change in the auction house price. There are some items like low level enchanting mats that are going for tons more, and others such as high level crafting mats which are going for much less. This is outside of the normal market fluctuations on my server, and many people attribute to the removal of botters.This could be a fallacy of causation – the removal of botters might not have lead to the shakeup at the auction house. There really is no way to prove it, other than the circumstantial evidence of price fluctuations timed with the removal of often-botted items. And in the end, these price fluctuations end up being a wash anyways – the extra that is spent on the lower level items is more than likely offset by the cheaper higher level items.
Between the recent wave of bannings and the seemingly nominal impact the ban has had on the overall economy, this begs the questions – do botters really matter? And should Blizzard just ignore them?
While it might seem like the answer is a firm no, let's take a look at some of the underlying reasons and assumptions that people bot and why it's considered bad. In particular we'll look at reasons surrounding leveling, playing the economy, and engaging in PvP.
Leveling
One of the main reasons people bot is to level their character up to a certain level quickly, skipping over content they've already done. This is against the rules according to Blizzard's terms of service, there's no question about that, but morally and pragmatically speaking for some individuals, it's not outside the bounds of acceptable behavior. People's reasoning is that if they've already done the content – why should they be forced to repeat it? This is a valid criticism of the game, no matter if you support botting or not. And within that valid criticism people have came up with a solution – botting.
A primary negative effect that is often cited as a reason to not allow characters to level via bots is that it devalues the meaning of a max level character. While this might be true when looking at the system with quantitative measurements (ie: everyone has a 70 of every class), it is not true on the qualitative side. A person that has leveled his or her character to 70 by hand will have a much better grasp on the fundamentals of the class than a person who had botted his or her way to 70. This is a key point: the botter is going to have problems playing the game at 70, while the non-botter will naturally transition into the end game. Eventually few people will want to play with the botted character, and thus by natural laissez-faire principles, the botters will have less incentive to bot over leveling a character the normal way – thus correcting the problem itself. If anything, the botter is only cheating himself out of the leveling experience, not affecting the rest of the WoW community.
Economy
Another key reason people bot is because of the economic value to them. If they can set their bot up correctly they can bring in hundreds of gold an hour – all automated. This frees the botter up to do other things in life. Positives of this include the ability to collect the large necessary quantities of materials often required of high end profession leveling, and the ease of making money off of other items collected.
An often quoted negative of botting for economic reasons is the impact on the in-game economy. While it is true that botters have a tendency to create "wacky" situations in the economy – it is also true that a non-botter can. For instance, say a botter uses his botting-enhanced farming to pick up hundreds of high level enchanting mats. He then goes on to sell them all on the auction house. Because his artificially created supply outweighs the demand by so much, the price of the materials plummets. This is not a good situation for those trying to make money, but at the same time it is a good situation for those needing the materials.
At the same time a non-botter can cause just as much economic turmoil in the economy. Take something that I've been doing lately. I have a product I'm selling on the AH, we'll just call it Super Widgets for the sake of discussion. These Super Widgets have a normal economic value of 1000g. However there is limited demand for these Super Widgets, and I have (by normal non-botting means) obtained a large supply of the Super Widgets. I want to create a natural looking economic situation where the price for Super Widgets goes up. What can I do? I set several Super Widgets high above normal market value – say 4000g. I leave these up at that price indefinitely. On another alt, I sell a few more Super Widgets for 2000g, and then a couple on another alt at 1500g. Each price level is done on a different alt, so it appears as if there is a price war going on for my Super Widgets amongst many people. Unsuspecting individuals will see the Super Widgets for 1500g, buy them, and enjoy them with the false knowledge that they've beaten a high end price by 2500g. However they've actually played into my hands by 500g, giving me some nice profit on an item I have large quantities of. In addition to creating artificial pricing situations, I have more or less created an artificial demand for these Super Widgets. Nothing is more destructive to an economy than artificially created supply and demand situations. To sum up my point and be very clear: a player can have just as destructive a force via normal (and legitimate) means as a botter can have via abnormal (and illegitimate) means.
PvP
Perhaps the most hotly contested of the reasons people bot is because of the PvP system. It is possible for bots to earn honor and rewards via gear and other such token turn ins faster than a non botter. A typical (smart) botter might go smack a few players around in a battleground, and then leave the rest of the game up to the bot. This will have the effect of giving him the rest of the honor and token from the game with only a fraction of the work of others. More so, this action is repeatable easily throughout an entire day with barely any effort on the part of the botter.
Obviously, this can throw off PvP gear balance if done on a massive scale. However, does it really? These botters will still suffer from the lack of PvP skills as they haven't worked on their abilities through countless battles. While they may have more gear than some people, their PvP skills will be lacking and cannot be made up for. Again, it appears the botter is "cheating" only himself out of his skill, and not the rest of the greater WoW community.
Conclusion
In conclusion, it is rather clear to me that while botting in WoW is against the terms of service (and I highly advise everyone not the break them), it is not against the greater WoW community's good. Botting just doesn't have any adverse effect on a large number of people, and any effect it does have isn't any more than can be done by a person playing the market or battlegrounds in a particular way.
While it is definitely within Blizzard's right to remove the botters because of the terms of service, one has to wonder if this is the best action. In my opinion, it is not. Let them play the game the way they want, and I'll play it the way I want. Since they don't affect me anymore then any other person in the game does/can I don't really care; and that answers my original question. Do botters really matter? No more than we let them.
For those wondering, the picture for this article is of D'Anna from Battlestar Galactica. While she looks human, underneath her skin she is nothing more than a conflicted (ro)bot.
Filed under: Analysis / Opinion, Economy, PvP, Features, Leveling
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Reader Comments (Page 7 of 7)
Doman Jun 13th 2008 2:22AM
Almost everyone who bots has already played the game before and has done the.. "bicep curls". Its like having spent years at the gym perfectly developing your body then breaking your arm or something and losing everything. Spend a few years getting back into shape or take the easy route.
Obviously thats the best I can do with that weak ass analogy you tried supplying but still it works. FUck leveling I am done with it.
Doman Jun 10th 2008 5:04AM
I hate the saying if you dont want to play the game and would rather bot you should not play the game at all. The thing is I do want to play the game... but having hand leveled 4 max level characters I dont really feel like playing the boring aspect of the game anymore. I have done it already and I enjoyed it the first few times. Now I would like an alt at max level. I am sorry I dont have the infinite amount of times you guys have but working two jobs doesn't really allow me all the time some of you guys have.
If you choose to sacrifice your real life by playing a game legitimatly that is your decision. I on the other hand, like to go out with my friends and play wow when I get the time. Flame all you want but I just don't care. I will bot if I want and none of your boring arguments are really going to stop me in the end.
Gryphon Hall Jun 10th 2008 6:00AM
Leveling: 'You don't "pick up" any sort of special skills along the way that a person who plays a 70 directly won't know.'
Obviously a post from a botter. Any person who's manually leveled an alt knows that the experience and the sort of skills developed is different. Even a change from one type of dps class to another, or from one tanking class to another, or from one healing class to another involves a change of world-view.Of course you wouldn't notice anything different: you power-botter your lvl 70.
My statement about you being a polymath was meant to be sarcasm, btw. It appears you missed it.
Economy: I'm sure you've got things confused. When people do dailies, gold isn't handed out to them. They actually have to complete a set of tasks to EARN them. Doing said tasks take time. Doing said tasks poorly and without skills mean a corpse run. This is part of the game.
Mats are cheap? Let me use another analogy (which I'm quite sure you'll hate just as much as my others). What if I can buy a computer for, say, $500 dollars, but a carton of milk for $50? And assuming I had $350, I can say that while the computer is actually cheap, I can't buy it and that while the carton of milk is way more expensive than it should, I can actually purchase 7 cartons (and so, technically, I can afford it). When does this REALLY happen in real life? Never? Or only when, during times of war (incidentally, the sort of situation in World of WARCraft), some opportunists make what should be rare commonplace and what should be common rare. Mats are still cheap?
PvP: So, you don't like it when people have been playing a long time that, over the course of 2 years, finally earned their S1 or S2 gear. Boo-hoo, you want a set too, but you don't want to spend 2 years. Well, tough! They earned it, you didn't and they earned the right to dominate in PvP because of it. Oh, I'm sorry, you have S1 or S2 gear also, earned in just 17 days. So, right now I assume you aren't going to gib those who are legitimately trying to earn their pieces, since you so HATED it when done unto you.
I'm not really going to be surprised if you actually went out to gib yourself a few. Maybe those who've been gibbing you were not those who've played a long time. Maybe it's just another botter. Ever considered that?
Anyone who needs gear as a crutch to do well in PvP doesn't deserve to PvP.
Pzychotix Jun 10th 2008 4:32PM
Leveling: Hah, are you kidding me? I've leveled a couple characters. They're all easy to do, if you have any spatial sense and don't get yourself mobbed by several adds.
Rogue: 2 buttons at max: Stealth -> Cheap shot -> spam Sinister Strike -> Eviscerate dead
Druid: 2 buttons at max: Stealth -> Pounce -> mangle -> FB dead.
Mage: 3-4 buttons at max: Pyro + fireball + FN if you need it + wand.
Priest: 4-5 buttons at max: PWS + Mind Flay + SWP + Mind Blast + heal if you need it.
Lock: Fear dot dot dot lifetap/darkpact. Guess how many buttons they use in raids? 1. Shadowboltshadowboltshadowboltshadowbolt.
Enh Shaman: 2 BUTTONS ONLY: Shock and a totem. OH I SUPPOSE CLICKING TO ATTACK IS HARD RIGHT?
Leveling is easy. Get over yourself. You don't learn anything that you wouldn't learn if you played them straight up at 70. Do you think a newcomer would learn better if he played from level 1, instead of spending that time as a level 70? No, he wouldn't. He'd learn faster by jumping right in and not having to waste a couple hundred hours with an incomplete set of abilities.
Dailies are hard!
Because:
1) Clicking on a bomb in your inventory and then on an area is hard amirite?
2) Simon says is hard right?
3) Killing solo normal mobs in this game is SO HARD AMIRITE?
4) Picking up items off the ground is sooooo haaaaaaaard!
Stop thinking that this game is difficult. Unless you're reaching for the highest echelons of content (i.e. gladiator status or Sunwell), most of this game is easy.
I'm not saying mats are cheap right now, because I have no idea what your server is like. But assuming that botting is rampant on a server, and they grind out all the mats, it's more than likely that there will be an overflow of supply, which means lower prices. Do you need a lesson on the basics of supply and demand?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Supply_and_demand
Or I suppose you don't like lower prices. Boohoo. The fact of the matter is, because botters grind materials that are sold to other people, there's little inflation. Botters don't grind mobs for the grey loots and money that come from them. It's for the items that get sold on the AH. More items = more supply = lower prices and a thriving economy. They essentially become the farmers of the world while you get to do whatever cushy job you come across.
PvP: "Anyone who needs gear as a crutch to do well in PvP doesn't deserve to PvP."
Yes, cause greens do SO WELL IN ARENAS amirite? Hell, even Season 1 gear just doesn't cut it when everyone else is running around with S3 gear.
"So, you don't like it when people have been playing a long time that, over the course of 2 years, finally earned their S1 or S2 gear. Boo-hoo, you want a set too, but you don't want to spend 2 years."
Exactly. Take for example, any fighting game. Should I have to start out at half health because I haven't played for as long as them? Should I start out with weaker attacks as well? No, I shouldn't. All I have to do to beat them is learn the skills of my character. Not so here.
Quote from http://www.gamasutra.com/features/20060222/sirlin_01.shtml
"1. Investing a lot of time in something is worth more than actual skill. If you invest more time than someone else, you "deserve" rewards. People who invest less time "do not deserve" rewards. This is an absurd lesson that has no connection to anything I do in the real world. The user interface artist we have at work can create 10 times more value than an artist of average skill, even if the lesser artist works way, way more hours. The same is true of our star programmer. The very idea that time > skill is alien."
An old article, but his ideas still apply. This is a fundamental flaw in many DKP systems as well: Old veterans stock up so much DKP that newcomers in the guild will never get a chance at gear. Newcomer gets discouraged because it means that he won't be getting any gear for months, and leaves guild. I realize that the veterans do deserve gear as well, and gear given to them is more likely going to stay in guild, but it's also a balance that must be made so that the newcomer won't be left behind, coughing up dust.
Sinthar Jun 10th 2008 7:12AM
Sorry to say but this is a poorly thought out article. If the author cannot reason better than this, then he shouldnt be writing articles.
Botters should be banned - perminently imo.
Ever done a bad PUG with someone who didnt know how to play his lvl 70? Guess what, theres a dam good chance that was a botter. Been saved in a crud heroic now? Have to wait til tomorrow cos u have limited time, due to a crud player? Played a bg with 1/10 or more of ure team sitting at camp waiting for the honor n marks? IMO the effect a botter causes is definately not limited to the 'economic' effects the author so blithely dismisses. I think this is a disgusting article Adam, poorly thought out and based solely on getting ppl to argue. WOW insider should not be the 'rag' press of the WOW blogs, but a 'quality' one. Atm its quality is about the same as The Sun (crud english tabliod famed for its 'page 3' models and low journalistic standards)
Doman Jun 10th 2008 6:54AM
Dude man... where do you pull these analogies out of? It just seems like you make up random crap to try to apply something fake and made up to real world, probably trying to justify your hundreds of hours spent playing it. But besides that once again, if your that pissed about botters just go and report them and for the most part they get banned.
I on the other hand, know how to bot and will most likely not be caught. There is always the chance, and I take that risk while doing it. Unfair for you in pvp? I dont care I pay my subscription not yours. If you dont enjoy the game I could really care less. I shall take my easy welfare epics and not being a sucky player will then excel in pvp. If I get bored of my class, I fully plan on botting up another one.
Mundo14 Jun 21st 2008 6:28AM
You've summed it up perfectly. Botters are selfish people who don't give a toss for the effects their actions have on the community around them, because of the their own self importance.
KeltRanger Jun 10th 2008 7:27AM
Botting in real life an analogy.
You and your colleagues work for a company making widgets and they pay you a basic salary of say $500 a week, but if you work overtime they will pay you a bonus of say $50p/h and another bonus for each extra widget you make.
Now most of your colleagues are will to put in a full weeks work and maybe a few extra hours here and there, you do for a while but find that you are getting bored and have no social life so you look around for an easy way to do it, whilst in a pub you are talking to a friend of yours that is out of work, he is desperate for money, so having an idea you tell him that you will employ him (cash in hand) to work your overtime, you will pay him say $10p/h, this will then mean that you can still make $40p/h and have a social life and look good to the bosses as all your items come flooding in.
Now seeing money making idea you talk to your friend and tell him to hide every 2nd widget in his bag and slip them passed security in the morning, then take them down the local car boot sale/market and sell them at ½ to ¾ of the normal prices, he can keep a percentage of the sale.
Now the bosses have a full audit as the government has decreed (IRS or Tax Office) and discover that:-
1. You are employing someone illegally and paying them cash in hand illegally, they are not covered for this person on insurance, health and safety, tax, pension etc.
2. You are stealing from them; you are affecting their sales by selling their goods at a cheaper rate, thereby making it difficult for them to make a profit and continue to employ people.
Your friend is arrested by the police for tax evasion and stealing and selling stolen goods, you are arrested for aiding and abetting in stealing and selling stolen goods, you being able to afford a decent lawyer get off with a warning and start up with another company with a new identity that you bought, your friend goes to prison to become a twink;)
Some of your colleagues lose their jobs as the company has lost money, others have had wage cuts and overtime has been stopped.
I personally have 10 chars all different classes and races (though all horde) all between lvl 25 and 40 I chop and change as I feel, as my interest wanes in one or another aspect of the game, doing a quest with a lvl 25 hunter troll is different than doing it with a belf paladin, yeah I doubt I will ever be a superb player at one class but I am enjoying myself and that is what the game boils down to. I also play the ah and have over 14k between my chars, I sometimes pvp in the arena though not really my cup of tea. I have a job rl,
I am married and have an active social life, I have never seen the need to bot.
Another analogy.
If you buy a game for say your pc and it allows you to play the game with different types of characters say warrior, mage, priest and rogue, you play the game as a warrior say to start with, you finish it and pat yourself on the back, you then think it would be fun to play as a mage so what happens….you start at the beginning with a lvl 1 char, you do all the same things as you did in the first game, maybe a few different quests but essentially the same, but as you already know the content and context of the game you lvl quicker, that I the whole point of wow lvling that way not by a bot, the 2nd 3rd 4th time etc it should be quicker as you should know what to do.
The game is big enough to make it interesting at what ever lvl and no matter how many times you have played it.
Doman Jun 10th 2008 7:40AM
Thats your play style and mine is mine. Your first analogy one is illegal and has real life consequences while mine at worse will get an account banned. I shall bot, you shall play. If you see me report me. Simple as that.
KeltRanger Jun 10th 2008 7:53AM
That is why it is called an analogy...it is similar, it is like, it is a comparison...now yes it is illegal in real life and it has real life consequences, but then again botting as far as I am aware is against ToS which makes it illegal in the game, and surprisingly it to has knock on consequences not just in game but outside as well, when you farm an area 24/7 it stops people who have only a small time to play from completing a quest or collecting materials thereby wasting their time in game and in real time...
Doman Jun 10th 2008 8:18AM
I have already commented on this, I pay for my subscription not yours. I never said botting doesn't affect other people. I just dont care if it affects other people. I am still getting my full enjoyment from the game. You will attack me accusing me of being some 12 year old probably (I am not).
The fact of the matter is I am sorry but I play this game for my enjoyment. When I am not playing and busy I have an alt being leveled. This does not interfere with my play time, I just get more accomplished then you guys, and it sounds like everyone is pissed/jealous about it when it comes down to it. We beat the system and your just afraid/too noble to do the same. Well I am not and nor do I really care.
90 percent of people who hate on bots are either jealous and wish they did so but are too scared to get caught... are just losers who bend their lives around fake laws in a non-existent fake universe.
You want to blame people for the economy being ruined? I just saw a site where you can get 1000 gold for 20 bucks. 20 bucks? Could it be cheaper? So now the average person working at McDonalds can now afford to be rich in WoW. Please blame them before attacking me. I am the one buying your over priced materials in the ah.
KeltRanger Jun 10th 2008 9:19AM
Nope not going to call you a 12yr old, you at least argue like an adult, thing is the "law" you refer to is not in a non existant universe the law exists in this universe, we are not as far as I am aware playing in a matrix, you have not beaten the system you have broken a "law" set by Blizzard, and I am sure the % is geared more to those who are pissed rather than jealous.
Oh and I actually sell lower than anyone else on my server which is why I make money;)
Doman Jun 10th 2008 9:55AM
Pissed or jealous, I still have my accounts and enjoy the game just fine :)
Mardren Jun 10th 2008 2:43PM
Wow what to say. It doesn't matter what happens to any one else in this world its all about me and doing what ever i want no matter what happens to you.
All i have to say is Karma.
Some day you will get yours back and still wont understand.
isobelle Jun 11th 2008 8:25PM
the fact remains that if you were required to sit on the couch and spin the wiimote 800,000 times in a circle to enjoy one "fun" level of play, no one would buy mario galaxy.
people who get worked up over botters are just pissed that they're on the sofa twirling the wiimote, while botters have tied the remote to the ceiling fan, and are off at the pub with friends.
they'll come home later and enjoy the fun part of the game when they're ready to.
qq more, srsly.
Jessierockeron Jun 24th 2008 9:28PM
i agree with Adam H. Botters only end up hurting themselves. Of course I'm not supportive of botters but other players really shouldn't pay attention to them.
Spanky Jul 1st 2008 10:46PM
If you don't want to bot you can use guides to get an upper hand... I've reviewed some myself