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6-30-2008 @ 3:30AM
I'm going to go against the grain here and say that people whining about others entering their heroics could just circumvent it by CHECKING THE ARMORY before asking a person in. You can be as anal as you want then, really. You can look at their armor, look at their rep, decide whether they're 'good enough' for you. And if you read the other entry on instances, you can wear a tabard of another group and get rep for that group instead. So making it at revered is irrelevant in WOTLK, as they could have just ran a different instance a bunch and worn a specific tabard. I'm STILL not revered on some of the groups on my kara-geared Boomkin. But she can handle heroic DPS just fine. Grinding instances over and over again until you hate them just to get the honor so that you can grind them over and over again on Heroic isn't what everyone defines as fun, and there's no telling when a person DOES know the instance very well because their other character has run it 100 times. I have three 70s. I've run every instance in outland multiple times. You can't tell that on my latest 70. I wouldn't choose to enter a heroic until I'd done regular instances to gear her up, either. But adding an arbitrary rep requirement is silly. I can understand attunements like Mr.T. But really, saying someone's not good enough even if they're in kara gear because they're not revered with honor hold? Come on now. It doesn't take that long to check an armory on someone if you're not sure. That way you avoid a bad pug, you also avoid being rude by inviting them in and booting them when they don't meet whatever standards you think they should, and you can be as elitist as you want. But, if they have guild mates who are willing to help them, or who just really need that fifth and don't want to pug them, why should there be arbitary limits to that?
6-30-2008 @ 4:53PM
There's nothing elitist about not wanting to run with undergeared/inexperienced players through Heroics. The nice thing about keys = i don't have to go research YOUR toon. It's not my problem that you have alts you don't like to grind rep on.You'd think the casuals would prefer attunements - so they're not wasting all that precious playing time that they're so adamant about.
6-30-2008 @ 8:35PM
I said one could be as elitist as they wanted. I didn't mean to imply that anyone who is picky is elitist. I DO look at specs and gear in the armory often before picking up a fourth or fifth for a heroic instance run to spare myself headaches. But it doesn't take long, and it's not an artificial wall for why that person can't enter the instance. As far as not your problem on alts, yes and no. You have NO idea if a person has run that instance 100+ times to get a drop on their enchanting mage, knows all the pulls, all the bosses, and is a really great person to run with by just relying on keys either. By leaving the option open to not have keys, you can make up your own rules about what constitutes a good final member of the group, and that can even include asking a person, "Have you run this instance before?" if you want. Heroics are supposed to be a stepping stone into better gear and raids. They're not supposed to be impossible to get into because you haven't run the instance a bunch of times when you don't even need a drop from it and just need rep. As my enchanter, I'm having to get almost all of the reputations to exalted and it is a painful, annoying thing. Despite having run every instance successfully in heroic, I'm still not revered with Honor Hold. My guild and I run those instances when they're the daily, but otherwise, they're not appealing even for badges, and I haven't chosen to grind rep on them. My problem? Yes. But under the old system, that character would not be even able to enter the heroic versions of the instances even though she's more than capable of handling them. Sorry for the people who only have one character and want to make things difficult for those of us who have alot, but we did level to 70 on those character and we DO know how to play them, and what questlines give us the best rewards for our time. Just because we didn't grind one dungeon till our eyes bleeded on three different characters doesn't somehow make us unqualified.
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