Insider Trader: A discussion of our trade channel

This week, Insider Trader will be starting a discussion about trade channel in World of Warcraft, including its usefulness to its likability, abuse, and role in the game.
At first glance, trade channel is supposed to be a channel linking all major cities, providing a forum for craftsmen and buyers to meet up and exchange goods and services.
Within this context, players make a living, purchase gear and consumables, research goods and services, make friends and business associates, and learn the ins and outs of server economy.
Unfortunately, when asked their opinions of trade channel, many players describe it as annoying, useless, or offensive, and many keep it turned off permanently. Still others seem to hover in trade chat, spending a great deal of time in it either chatting, selling or sometimes, buying.
There are many reasons that players have negative feelings and impressions associated with trade chat:
- Spoilers: Whenever a popular movie or book is released, such as a Harry Potter, many people find that they cannot log into WoW until they have seen or read it, because other players make it their mission to blurt out crucial plot information and reveal endings. Even new episodes of television shows aren't sacred. Although this happens in any channel, trade is often targeted. In fact, the gossiping and 'spoiling' is so infused into trade chat, that when the beloved Crocodile Hunter, Steve Irwin, died in September of 2006, many people heard it first from trade channel.
- Language: Many people find that having to read the language used and statements made by other players in trade channel, which are often disrespectful, offensive, or abrasive, to be a deterrent to entering the channel. Offensive behavior includes racial slurs, sexism or negative sexual orientation remarks, threats, religion and culture bashing, and more, while abrasive includes excessive swearing, attitude, and sarcasm. Other people simply cannot deal with the lapses in grammar and spelling, lol-speak and unique terminology and 1337 speak, arguments, bragging contests, silly banter, or what many would consider to be a (too) high population of children.
- Another reason that people might not bother with trade channel is negative experiences while using it in the past. Players might have been ripped off, stiffed too many times for tips, had to deal with rude and demanding peers, run a deficit, or been unable to successfully sell their goods and services. In each individual case, it may be less the effectiveness of the channel and more bad luck, marketing or soliciting style, language and typing skills, or personality that is affecting the player's profits. Still, when the channel becomes laden with irrelevant conversation and heated discussion, it becomes almost impossible to trade around that. In addition, many people will exit major cities once a spat is underway.
- Insults and spam: Between the gold sellers, the people who will openly question or mock your advertised prices, and the people who will insult you based on your prices or your merchandise, many people can feel simply hassled. In fact, now that we can use symbols, and that spells and items and quests can be linked in a whole new way, people are growing more creative in their methods.

Still, it seems unfair that people who try to be polite and mature, and expect the same in return, are often the ones feeling driven from the trading atmosphere. Seemingly, this would increase the number of rude, immature, ignorant sellers and consumers dominating the channel.
Of course, trade channel is not solely full of people best to be avoided. Many players have a laissez-faire attitude about the language and behavior of others, and can, barring specific circumstances, tolerate the annoyances, the immaturity, and the arguments. In addition, almost anyone will hit trade channel if they have a specific item worth a fair amount of money, in order to get the best price.
In fact, while there are people who utilize trade chat in their normal course of daily business, many others will only seek it for rare items and services that their friends and guildmates cannot provide. Under what circumstances do you use trade channel for trading? Are you a regular user, or a casual one? What are the conditions under which you will avoid using it, and attempt to sell or buy using other means?
If you do a little digging, you will find that players have developed many alternative ways to make a profit and acquire necessary items, aside from having to use trade channel or even the auction house.
Guild chat, guild websites, and guild affiliations all provide a more personal trading atmosphere, along with controls. Any player who steps out of line can be reported to guild officials and action can be taken. Everyone knows the same people and are, by guild affiliation, friends and neighbors, which seems to encourage people to start off on the right foot and make an effort they wouldn't otherwise make with a stranger.
Forums all over the web are also being used to buy and sell items. In fact, people have developed web-based means of trading in-game, and although Blizzard has not always been amiable to the systems developed, players have found them refreshing and were excited about using them.
This is evidence to suggest that people are craving an improved trade channel, if not another means of doing commerce entirely. Web-based systems move away from the practice of dealing directly with other players, while dreams of some sort of in-game personal stall or 'store' aim to improve relations.
As a tradesperson, what sorts of features do you feel the current trading system is lacking? Do you find yourself wishing you had the capability to do things that you can't currently do? Are there any trading add-ons that you could not live without, or that have inspired you regarding changes that Blizzard should make?
Do you enjoy buying and selling player-made products, tipping honest, nice craftsmen, dealing with players on a personal level, and working to cultivate new friendships, business relationships, and a reputation? Would you rather avoid having to deal with the public? Do you value tradesmen in-game similarly to how one might value a skilled cabinet-maker, or do you not feel that virtual tradesmen in WoW are special?
Lastly, what do you love and hate about trade chat? What are your opinions on others' reasons for loving or hating it?
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Reader Comments (Page 1 of 3)
Faar Jul 4th 2008 2:20PM
Blizzard needs to invent:
A: A Global Chat channel, where people can BS all they want, and that others can turn off so they don't have to listen to it.
B: create a policy that states BSing in LFG and other specialized channels constitutes abuse (currently there is no such thing.)
C: Change Trade channel into an interface-controlled channel where you get a window somewhat like the auction house for example, you put your items into slots (or type names of items you do not have), select wether you want to buy, sell or trade and for how much, and the window posts your request into the trade channel for you. This will prevent both BS and goldspam in trade channel.
Tenchan Jul 4th 2008 2:42PM
This.
The Trade Channel needs to work with game-generated messages instead of just being another channel you can type to.
Kryptich Jul 4th 2008 2:44PM
A few of the best suggestions I've read in a long time. Especially C.
Iwanttobeasleep Jul 4th 2008 3:27PM
Something like the LFG interface (however unused and crappy that thing is) for trade would be amazing, really. There could be slots to find people's cooldowns. . .that'd be great: I could log on in Shattrath and before I start my dailies see if anyone wants me to make them a Primal Might.
Yossarian Jul 4th 2008 4:04PM
Great Idea. This would make it useful and make it very hard to abuse.
rick gregory Jul 4th 2008 5:36PM
Agreed... but people HAVE a chat channel - General. They refuse to use it and can flood trade with worthless crap (murloc jokes, etc) without penalty. This will not change until Blizzard starts banning people for stupid crap in trade. It's similar to the official forums - if you allow everyone to say anything they want, they generally will.
I like your C - make the UI enforce a WTB/WTT/WTS format and don't allow freeform chat.
Nightshifter Jul 4th 2008 5:55PM
exactly what I was going to post, well said.
A global (not cross-faction, as these fail fast) chat channel would make grinding/farming so much easier and entertaining.
Keeping the bs out of trade, I don't mind banter myself but it's the guys with huge (like xbox heug) guild ads that scroll almost everything off the window I find annoying. On top of that the ad macro is usually clicked every time it gets scrolled off, and the other guild advertisers are reminded to spam theirs and it keeps getting worse.
slimj091 Jul 4th 2008 6:03PM
"C: Change Trade channel into an interface-controlled channel where you get a window somewhat like the auction house for example, you put your items into slots (or type names of items you do not have), select wether you want to buy, sell or trade and for how much, and the window posts your request into the trade channel for you. This will prevent both BS and goldspam in trade channel."
why not just ask blizzard to add a WTB section to the auction house instead of creating another AH seperate from the first one?
ScorchHellfire Jul 5th 2008 6:46PM
yes thats what we need is a global chat channel... that is what most use trade for anyway... i mean its only in the cities so maybe just make a capital chat channel or something so general is still used... but yeah... they need to make it so you have to use an interface thing to do trade channel stuff...
good ideas guys... im really tired of seeing the same people sit in trade channel all day and chatting and insulting eachother while others actually try to trade...
if we seperate chat and trade then everyone wins... people can just leave the chat channel and still use trade how it should be and others that just want to chat with people accross the game world can...
MechChef Jul 4th 2008 2:29PM
Heals don't crit.
Jesse Jul 4th 2008 3:04PM
since when? my pally heals can crit...
Manatank Jul 4th 2008 3:55PM
@Jesse:
All direct heals can crit. I think the point is that saying something inane like "heals don't crit" in trade channel will get lots of helpful people like yourself who normally wouldn't respond to fill trade channel with disagreement.
You can't enchant an offhand.
Kadamon Jul 4th 2008 11:35PM
@ Jesse
Also a general joke on tons of servers.
Heals don't crit is usually the first, followed soon after by something about Chuck Norris roundhousing something, usually a Murloc...which leads to Murloc movie titles on my server. If you're a Horde, I'd believe Mankrik's wife usually gets thrown in there too.
Sometimes it's amusing though, whenever everyone does it. I've kept my trade channel shut down perma now. I don't even bother trying to go through the conversations on Madoran Alliance side, it's just insane.
MechChef Jul 5th 2008 10:47AM
lol @ me getting voted down by those who didn't get the joke.
Chris Anthony Jul 5th 2008 12:27PM
I got the joke. I just thought it wasn't a very good one.
Guts2h Jul 4th 2008 2:33PM
Regarding the 'stiffed over tips' thing, remember that World of Warcraft is worldwide, and tips are not a worldwide phenomena. Here in New Zealand, if you overpay with the expectation of the excess going to the waitstaff as a tip, they'll likely run after you to tell you that you've paid too much, or take it as an insult. (Waiters, etc, are all paid at least the standard minimum wage here, meaning that tips are unnecessary and, to some, insulting since they imply relying on charity from your customers to live.)
If you expect payment for your services, whether it be chanting tailoring or smithing, state up front that you have a minimum fee. Tips are not universal.
Verified Insanity Jul 4th 2008 2:35PM
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Why? Why is it filed under all of those things? It has nothing to do with most of them!
Kryptonls Jul 4th 2008 5:38PM
I think the bloggers get bored sometimes...
JR Jul 5th 2008 6:40AM
Agreed. I was just browsing the "Engineering" tag and found that lots of the posts were not really related to Engineering. Why have these tags then?
Willypiggy Jul 4th 2008 2:39PM
Trade is great, so great I have it in a separate tab, a separate tab which I only look at when I need a laugh.