Tank Talk: Building and keeping your tanking corps, Part II
Tank Talk is WoW Insider's new raid-tanking column, promising you an exciting and educational look at the world of getting the stuffing thrashed out of you in a 10- or 25-man raid. The column will be rotated amongst Matthew Rossi (Warrior/Paladin), Adam Holisky (Warrior), Michael Gray (Paladin), and Allison Robert (Druid). Our aim is to use this column to debate and discuss class differences, raid-tanking strategies, tips, tricks, and news concerning all things meatshieldish.This week in Tank Talk I'm covering the various stages a tank exists in during their time in a guild. Yesterday in Part I of the column I talked about the recruitment and applicant stages. These stages help clarify the beginning life of a tank within a guild. While talking about what these stages are and what they mean to the tank, I also covered how the guild can keep them happy while ensuring the best tanking possible is done.
The job of keeping a tank happy is arguably unique task when compared to non-tanks in that they are the ones which everything eventually comes back to in the game. If a ranged DPS dies, they're going to feel it in a longer encounter. If a healer dies they'll notice the healing start to lack. Finding a way to communicate everything to a tank and taking in their unique situations can be a challenge, but it is a necessary one.
Lets resume our look at the last few stages of a tank's life within a guild, starting with the raider tank stage.
The Raider Tank
Once a tank has proven themselves beyond a doubt that they are capable of handling the tanking needs of the guild, they are ready to become a raider. A raider to me generally requires less direction and input than applicants in order to do their job correctly and efficiently.
However it does not mean that a raider still doesn't need leadership and a gentle helping hand. As was previously outlined, the best way for this helping hand to assert itself is through the class lead. The raider level tank will already know that the class lead is the person to go to for information about the raid and strategies, so it's a natural progression for the class lead to assume the long term responsibilities of helping the tank progress in their tanking career.
One big difference from a class lead helping an applicant tank and a raider tank is that for the applicant tank, the class lead will probably want to assume more of a "Go over here and kite Illidan's flames along this path." While with a raider tank the class lead should take more of a conversational approach to strategies and direction, "From my understanding of the fight, the best way to kite Illidan's flame is along this path, what do you think?" When the class lead approach a raider level tank in this fashion it not only shows that you value their input (which you should), but that they have a chance to present dissenting opinions.
Some may question why this approach can't be used with applicant tanks. There really isn't any reason it can't be. If the applicant tank has sufficiently impressed upon you and others their ability to handle themselves according to the guild's needs, then it's definitely worth having a conversation or two (dozen) about strategies. However if my experience in WoW leadership positions has taught me anything, it has taught me that not everyone know how to setup and integrally plan an encounter. Running into a tank that, while they might have a good understanding of the class mechanics and what not, cannot see beyond their own class and job, can take valuable time away from the whole raid while you learn about their views (or lack there of). While these conversations can generally be had outside of raid time, it is important that they do not happen very often (or at all) during everyone else's time.
Senior Tank
The senior tank is the tank has been in the guild for a few months, and things are good. They have shown up with near perfect attendance and are a cornerstone member of the guild. We all know these people, and for some reason, they are almost always the tanks. I'm sure it has something to do with the psychological profile that attracts people to tanking, but that is for another article entirely.
A senior tank needs to be respected and made to know that they are still a valuable member of the guild and raiding corps, even when bringing a new tank on board. A senior tank will have spent a lot of time and energy on the guild, and is committed to the long-term survival and success of the organization. Sometimes a senior tank is an officer or class lead, and in these cases it's up to the guild's leader to make sure they feel represented and respected in all aspects of the guild's functioning.
More or less the senior tanks are going to be the ones to define how your tanking corps behaves itself and feels to others. If the senior tank is a mean and vengeful person, expect the rest of the tanking corpse to act that way too. After all, if the senior tank has been around forever and is a successful tank – why not emulate their behavior?
However on the flip side, if the senior tank is a level headed individual who knows how to have a good time and be serious when he or she needs to be, then the tanking corps will reflect these values as well. It is important that the senior tank realizes this if they're not in an official position of leadership. If their behavior or attitude ever deviates from what the guild leadership feels is appropriate, a gentle reminder can work wonders. "While we all understand where you're coming from, some of the new folks don't and they might get the wrong idea." This kind of positive and encouraging words of leadership can quickly make everything good again.
The best way to keep a senior tank around is to let them do what they want. This might seem contradictory to things that I've said before, but if you think about it for a minute – it's really not. The senior tank will have the best interest of the guild at heart and in mind, so they are very unlikely to do things which will be detrimental to the organization (however of course, some person or some group should always be on the lookout for bad decisions – and that's what officers are for). If the senior tank wants to take a night or two off, let them. They've more than earned it. If they want to take a few weeks off to collect themselves or to focus on a job, that's a-okay too. They've helped built the guild and raiding up to where it is, and they deserve to take a vacation just as if they were vacationing from a job (that too is a topic for another time).
The Mentor Tank
I've left for last perhaps the most ambiguous stage in a tank's life: the mentor stage. A tank that acts as a mentor perhaps does nothing more than provide an ear for those that want to talk, or provide detailed advice on a given subject. They are there for everyone – not only themselves or the tanking corps. They want to help everyone understand why threat sometimes takes a back seat to survivability, and they want to be sure that everyone knows everything they need to in order to have a successful tanking experiencing.
In my opinion these are qualities that are necessary in order to be a class lead or have a leadership position of any other sorts within a guild.
The mentor tank type person is going to stick with the guild through the thick and thin of it. The only real threat to them leaving is if the applicant type tanks refuse to work with them or others to accomplish the guild's goals. Often times they will put up with a lot, but eventually they may burn out and suddenly depart one day. And it's these departures that usually hurt the most – because it's then that you realize how important they were to the guild.
The best way to avoid these types of departures is to be sure that the recruitment tank is talked with honestly and openly. Be sure that they know exactly what to expect, and what is expected of them.
Putting it all together
When you look at all these different life stages of a tank in the guild, you can quickly begin to realize how vital it is to look at each person as an individual and help them with their individual situations. What I've laid out here is not rigid standards to classify each tank in; some tanks may be part senior tank and part mentor tank, while others may always exist between a raider tank and an applicant tank. But in general if you find a dedicated and motivated individual, they'll follow these steps as they become a great member of your tanking corps.
The important thing to remember that in all phases of a tank's time with the guild it is important to be respectful and honest. The tanks job is hard, and with a bit of basic values applied and understanding of their specific situations, they can be a long lasting and heavily contributing member to any guild.
Filed under: Druid, Paladin, Warrior, Analysis / Opinion, Guilds, Raiding, Tank Talk






Reader Comments (Page 1 of 2)
Lambach Jul 4th 2008 7:30PM
Yeah....senior tanks taking weeks off to collect them selves is a great idea....
Way to gear em up so they can then take a break and hold the guild back for 2-3 weeks while they collect themselves....awesome
PeeWee Jul 4th 2008 8:16PM
Well, the option is a burnt-out tank.
Way to go, gearing up a tank that leaves the guild, setting the guild back to square #1. Awesome thinking.
PeeWee Jul 4th 2008 8:16PM
Well, the option is a burnt-out tank.
Way to go, gearing up a tank that leaves the guild, setting the guild back to square #1. Awesome thinking.
Chris Jul 5th 2008 3:39AM
Your comment is bad - roll a tank and learn.
Progression Tanks are nearly impossible to replace, dpser's....dime a dozen.
You do yourself a favour if you cut the tank some slack.
Lambach Jul 5th 2008 4:28AM
As soon as the guild starts sucking the tanks dick, and letting him walk all over you, and treating him any better then another player, is the day that tank starts to be a bigger pain in the ass, and start using the guild toward his own ends.
PeeWee Jul 5th 2008 9:33AM
@Lambach
Speaking from how you'd do it, I assume. Well, we all aren't diaper-monsters like yourself.
The door swings both ways, if the tank acts like an asshat, he gets the boot. Yes, the guild is back at square #1 nonetheless, but at least you got rid of the tosser.
I thought that part was obvious, but unfortunately I had to explain myself.
"Common sense isn't." Call me when you manage to figure that one out.
PeeWee Jul 4th 2008 8:06PM
"even when bringing a new tank on bored."
You sure you don't mean "on board"?
Tisen Jul 4th 2008 8:33PM
I really like your philosophy. Better than what was with my old guild. Be in the guild from the beginning, being the OT. Then one day you go on vacation and when u come back 2 weeks later they've invited in a new tank and stop taking you to raids. Ah, the joy of jackasses.
Lambach Jul 5th 2008 2:50AM
WTF were they supposed to do? You left them high and dry. They supposed to not raid for 2 weeks so your punk ass can go do whatever?
Tisen Jul 5th 2008 4:16AM
I thought someone would respond negatively to my post but whatever. I don't think that just because I'm a tank means I can't ever go do something in RL. Especially since there were other tanks in the guild. I in no way think that they should have stopped raiding till i got back I just think that once I got back I should have been able to raid again and not be pushed aside like a new recruit. Everyone is entitled to their opinion though so go ahead and continue thinking I'm a "punk" :)
Xeniast Jul 4th 2008 9:21PM
wow what a patronising article... "class leads" and "mentor tanks" - im sorry but thats a load of rubbish. If people can't perform to an acceptable level without having their hand held (in a raiding guild at least) then they do not deserve their place or their gear and should be removed as fast as possible.
Chris Jul 5th 2008 3:42AM
Clearly a comment from another dps class...or some arrogant "Why can't WoW be like it was" player....who expects freshly minted 70 tanks to somehow just "know" everything.
Xeniast Jul 5th 2008 9:16AM
No I'm sorry its actually the point of view of an experienced prot pally, but thanks for playing. The guild that are condescending to their members by making them take orders from "mentors" and "class leaders" are the ones that breed the most dissent amongst their members... In high end raids a guild shouldn't be making excuses for members who just cant be bothered to learn how to do their job. Its not like tanking is difficult after all
Milktub Jul 5th 2008 12:28AM
"The senior tank is the tank has been in the guild for a few months, and things are good. They have shown up with near perfect attendance and are a cornerstone member of the guild. We all know these people, and for some reason, they are almost always the tanks. I'm sure it has something to do with the psychological profile that attracts people to tanking, but that is for another article entirely."
It's the same reason that you see "Tank Shortage" threads ... most tanks like to roll with a group of people that they are comfortable with. They like knowing how well a hunter can trap or how well that rogue can manage his aggro. So tanks are likely to stick with a guild and become a cornerstone.
Menalaous Jul 5th 2008 9:48AM
Wow, you can tell who has roled tanks before and actually played them.
@11 Read mathew rossi's last "Care and Feeding of Warriors" Column. Fresh minted tanks are gona have problems. If you have better gear you can out dps and out aggro us. And it doesnt take much for you to find our gear. Threat/tank gear on the other hand. Little bit harder to find and build a set. If you drop us immediatly then we dont gear up, you piss off your main tank because people like @1 cause him to stress and leave because they think that tank is there to serve them not work on a team with them. And your back at square one without a tank that can take you through BT, Hyjal or Sunwell and have to go back to Kara, SSC etc because you HAVE to gear up a new warrior and hopefully your lucky and find someone who has no life or self respect and puts up with your crap otherwise your guild dispands due to lack of progression raiding. All of which could have been avoided if people like you had kept your mouth shut in the first place. How do I know this, how do I have this wisdom? I've seen it happen, many times, to many guilds.
Well written column. It works for anyone, DPS, healer, tanks, Cers really however if you think about it (how to CC/AoE dps properwithout pissing one another off, how to proritise healing properly without causing uber aggro and of course, how to DPS without raging on a tank because you like to drop nukes.)
Introit Jul 5th 2008 10:18AM
Too much over analysis imo.
1. Join a guild.
2. Preform well or get gkicked.
3. Progress/farm.
Done?
PeeWee Jul 5th 2008 10:53AM
4. ...
5. Profit?
Xeniast Jul 5th 2008 11:09AM
This guy understands
Takamuri Jul 5th 2008 12:42PM
You recruit applicants that need more direction than your raiders?
Kassius Jul 5th 2008 8:53PM
I mean, this is a bit overcooked right? i couldn't even read the whole article because its just so damn... overwrought you know. A good tank should be able to operate independantly and find the tricks out for themselves; they don't need all this "mentor tank/senior tank crap. its kinda... lame.
Crap like this also is the reason why all tanks think the sun shines out of their ass.
just my 2 cents