The Care and Feeding of Warriors: On my treads
One of the complaints I see from time to time on the WoW forums and even here on WoW Insider is, to paraphrase is, "there are all these level 70 warriors and yet I can't find a tank." I have a variety of responses to this statement as a protection warrior at level 70. It might be how you ask, for one thing: a polite tell from someone asking me if I'll tank heroic Ramparts once saw me taking an entire group of relatively new 70's through both heroic Hellfire instances. It's also possible that, while I am a tank, I don't feel like tanking for you with an hour to go before raid time, since I'll be tanking that entire time. But I'm curious about this mindset that assumes that with all these level 70 warriors, you should be able to find a tank.I don't see "all these level 70 paladins and druids and I can't find a tank" nearly as often. Now, I understand that paladins and druids can heal, and the general populace finds that to be just as valuable. But I know there are a host of DPS druids and paladins out there. While they're derided to some degree (and unfairly so, but this column isn't named Matthew Rossi defends every one of the tanking classes if they choose to DPS - we know it's unfair, we'll let it go at that) there doesn't seem to be this absolute assumption that the first and best role of any class that can tank is to tank the way it seems to be there for warriors.
Now, I love tanking. I'm good at it, I enjoy the challenge, I stay up all night working on threat sets, avoidance/mitigation sets, stamina sets, I go to sites like Wowhead and look at shields all day. Tanking is my idea of a good time. So I'm certainly not arguing that warriors cannot, or should not, tank.
I'm arguing that they should not tank just because you want them to.
If you happen to be so desperate for a tank that you're berating someone else for not choosing the role, you might want to consider why it is that you're not a tank yourself. Why aren't you tanking? There's nothing stopping you from rolling a druid, a paladin or a warrior (and death knights are on the horizon) and tanking to your heart's content. It's possible you started playing with a specific class concept in mind... the stealthy rogue, the determined and willful mage, the cackling warlock raining destruction down upon his enemies... and you don't want to play another role. Since that's fair enough, let me ask you why the up and coming warrior should be forced to play another role than the one he envisioned to suit your needs, since you're not willing to make that choice for him. He leveled his character to 70 expecting, as far as you know, to DPS his way through instances the same way you did.
Furthermore, we all know the reason the vast majority of players don't want to roll a tank: because tanking is hard, and furthermore, tanking lowers your viability to do anything but tank and can even cripple it until your alternative gear selection is good enough to compensate.

Tanking isn't impossible, it's not rocket surgery or brain science. Or whatever. I take a lot of blows to the head, you can't expect me to remember every cliché properly. But while tanking isn't this impossibly difficult thing, it's not easy either. It's hard to learn, especially when you've never done it before, even harder if you're learning to do it in a pick up group with people you don't know who aren't scrupulous about their threat (do most PuG's even use Omen?), don't follow a kill order, may not even mark their targets or expect the brand new tank to do it, etc etc. These awful runs are learning experiences for the new tank, yes, but often what they teach him or her is that tanking sucks and they run back to a DPS/PvP role as fast as their fingers can carry them to the trainer. And it's hard to fault them for that. Sure, if they stick with it, they'll eventually develop the kind of berserk reflexes that lets them smash a shield slam into the face of a mob that's about to peel and then immediately intervene to the healer and thunder clap two mobs off of him, but it's hard to make that fact clear when they're staring at a massive repair bill and being berated by the people who hectored them into tanking in the first place.
As a prot warrior, I can't complain about grinding or questing anymore, really. I have roughly 2000 attack power, 30% chance to crit, and a ton of hit and expertise in my DPS gear. I can devastate spam and put out very respectable DPS and quest my way through the dailies, easily making myself 200 to 300g a day without effort.
I am in Black Temple/Hyjal content. My DPS gear is the stuff nobody wanted out of SSC/TK/Hyjal anymore. (You can see it in the picture that accompanies this post.) Believe it or not, the average 70 warrior just starting out does not have DPS gear even close to this good unless he was grinding battlegrounds like a fiend the whole time he was leveling and stockpiled enough honor to pick up all the Season 2 gear as soon as it went live for honor. (And even then he'll be significantly short of my attack power.) A protection warrior in the greens and instance blues most common to leveling to 70 is a hobbled, wretched thing barely able to put out enough DPS to kill one mob before the one he killed before it respawns, and this assumes he's been lucky enough to collect some decent DPS gear along the way. And if he hasn't... if for some reason he leveled to 70 tanking in instances with a group of friends or even ran endless PuG's and didn't roll on DPS gear at all and is now running around the Isle of Quel'Danas trying to kill naga with barely 400 shield block value for his tiny little shield slams... then his daily soloing or questing is pure, unadulterated torture. Heck, I have the gear to do it, or to run around with my tank gear on and whack things with nearly 2k shield slam crits, and I still find it to be boring and tedious compared to how fast I can go if I drop the 50g for an arms or fury respec.
I'm going to repeat this premise for emphasis. It is not the well geared, raid level protection warrior in excellent DPS gear who is hobbled by prot spec, it's the newly 70 warrior in the crap gear out of the AH. It's the guy who you want to start tanking so you can get your instance runs. I'm usually too busy tanking raids to help you, I don't need to run normal Black Morass, and I actually tank with pieces of my gear off to make sure I have enough rage when I run heroics. I'm doing fine. It's not me who needs help, it's that poor guy over there who looks like a rodeo clown in his greens trying to hold aggro against DPS geared in full PvP epics and then, after that carnival of fantastic awesomeness, gets chewed out for not holding threat when he only tanked the run because he got nagged into it and now has to go out in that same awful gear and run dailies just to make enough gold to repair that crap and sign up for yet another heroic Mechanar in hopes that the Sun Eater will drop. Even though he knows if it does some rogue or another will roll on it and win. Not that I remember my times in the trenches running PuG's in awful gear with any sort of frothing, incoherent rage or anything. No, the amount of crap I had to swallow from undisciplined DPSers who don't know what focus fire is, can't follow a kill order, and want me to somehow magically tranform into a paladin and AoE everything so they can nuke as though someone just cut off their ritalin supply didn't jade me, but it did open up an inexhaustible supply of compassion for the newly minted 70 warrior who didn't really understand what he or she was getting into.
If for some reason you rolled straight into Karazhan in Tier 3 and started getting purples, then this doesn't apply to you. A lot of us didn't do that. I took six months off from WoW just before The Burning Crusade hit, I was guildless and undergeared by that point. Some people started warriors after the expansion launched!
It's not really protection spec as such that limits you, it's the gearing issue. That's part of the game to some extent... obviously in order to get better gear you need to run instances for reputation and drops, and that goes for tanking gear as well as DPS gear. You can't expect the newly minted 70 to just be handed Tier 4 in both flavors as soon as he dings. That's why I'm hopeful that in Wrath tank gearing for warriors will combine with new tanking abilities to make protection soloing and grinding viable for the newly 80 warrior in the Northrend equivalent of the Felsteel set and whatever greens with defense he picked up off of a boar somewhere.
Finally, I want to make one last point about why not all warriors should tank.
Not all warriors are good at it.
It isn't impossibly hard, no, and even unskilled tanks can learn how to do it well enough to hold aggro fairly well if nothing goes wrong and their group throttles back on DPS. But some people are just freaking awful. Some of the worst experiences of my gaming life have been on my alts running instances with a tank so bad he didn't even spend his talent points after he paid to respec. He forgot. And when I inspected him, saw that he had no talent points spent, and pointed this out to me he hearthed because he believed he had to be at the trainer to spend them and even spent another fifty gold to respec in order to be able to do so.
One of the premises of the improvments to druid and paladin tanking was that it would allow more warriors to be DPS. It was a nice theory, but it hasn't really worked out: most groups who take a warrior only take a non-tank warrior if he or she started the group in the first place. But frankly, some warriors shouldn't tank for you. You don't want them to tank for you. (Of course, some of these warriors are also bad at DPSing and can't PvP either, but we're not here to tell you to avoid bad players in general, that's sort of a given.) One of my first mentors in the game was a fury warrior who was exceptionally talented and skilled at fury, and understood the theory and math behind it intimately. He couldn't tank if you strapped a picture of Ragnaros' mom with dirty limericks written on it to his shield before you talked to Domo. If you sent Nefarion a video of Onyxia's corpse being teabagged by him I don't think he could have held Nef on him for ten seconds. Nice guy, great player, smart DPSer, loved to help people, worst tank I have ever seen. It was like he was wearing the shield on his feet or something. You'd love to have him in a group, he knew all the instances and the bosses intimately, he was a solid, guaranteed source of high DPS, but the only way he was going to hold aggro as a tank was if you let him dual wield in DPS gear and just spammed heals until you were out of mana.
In the end, I don't expect the addition of a new tanking class to end the tank shortage. I see some hope for it easing with new talents for all tanks, the idea that itemization should change to make tanking specs more solo friendly for those without the luxury of full DPS sets, and another tanking class. In the end, though, the reason there aren't as many tanks as people might want is because of people being people. I don't think that's going to change any time soon.
Filed under: Warrior, Analysis / Opinion, Instances, Raiding, (Warrior) The Care and Feeding of Warriors






Reader Comments (Page 1 of 3)
Jae KIm Jul 4th 2008 1:25PM
Rossi why are you e-peening and e-preening on a public blog when your gear is terrible? You never fail to impress me with your asinine content and terrible posts.
Wulfhere Jul 4th 2008 1:50PM
And yet here you are, reading another one, commenting on it, and otherwise validating his behavior.
I'd say you were too stupid to breathe, much less type. Do you have someone who does this for you? Does he wipe you?
The worst part is, this was actually a really humble post from Rossi. I've seen him be a dick, but he didn't even do that this time. You're just an imbecile.
Pucelle Jul 4th 2008 1:54PM
No one will tank for you? I can't say I'm surprised, with your attitude.
Matthew Rossi Jul 4th 2008 2:04PM
I have to admit I'm a little surprised by the hostility. You've never commented before that I know of, and you seem to have missed the point that my DPS gear is the crap no one wants anymore since they all have better (which I know I mentioned) - so the blatant hatred does puzzle me a touch.
I'm sorry you didn't like the post, but you do confuse me just a bit. I guess my saying "I like tanking, I'm good at it" counts as e-peen stroking or e-preening or whatever. Didn't know saying "I like tanking, I'm good at it" counted as massive braggadocio.
doyesac Jul 4th 2008 2:51PM
Remember back in the day when any post on a blog or a forum got the inevitable, pointless 'First!' response?
I've noticed that the first responder now tries to get in first with inevitable, pointless flaming and insults -- no matter whether they're on topic or if they've read the post or not. It's just the new form of internet trolling and jackassery.
Heck -- where in the post did Rossi even LINK his Armory? Jae Kim -- you are a troll.
Nick S Jul 4th 2008 4:04PM
wtb a feature that lets us vote certain commentators completely out of existence.
ideally IRL... but just in WI comments is fine.
Chuddy Jul 4th 2008 6:41PM
The obirossi tank can do these things little one. You have much to learn.
cloudy Jul 4th 2008 1:30PM
It's important to remember that people say 'with all these paladins and druids why aren't there any healers?'
People will assume you're a tank (or healer) because they don't want yet another dps.
dave Jul 4th 2008 1:31PM
"I don't see "all these level 70 paladins and druids and I can't find a tank" nearly as often."
You don't? I see it *more* often with pallies. It's just that it is can't find a healer/tank. Ret pallies are scorned far more than dps warriors.
cloudy Jul 4th 2008 1:35PM
Well that's less 'why aren't there tanks' more 'I'm sick of all these retnubs'.
I'm ret and I don't like grouping with ret, though that's only because there'd be two of us.
Seamus Jul 4th 2008 1:38PM
An enjoyable read. I thought it was very well written and well thought out with some very funny humor at the end! Ragnaros' mom no less! I wonder if she's hot? (Yeah, I went there)
One of my goals for the expansion is to level a warrior tank to 70. I look forward to reading more.
Unknown Jul 4th 2008 1:47PM
The poor old moonkin takes alot of heat as well
can't tank or heal
Daddywarbuck Jul 4th 2008 3:06PM
This is why none of my alts are tanks: Can't level, people won't leave you alone to get $$ or xp
Heck, healer is bad enough that I hide alts from some dpsers :o)
--Daddywarbuck
Eiel Jul 4th 2008 1:56PM
Great post Matthew. As a tank I've experienced all those things too many times and I agree that lack of tanks will probably not go away with introduction of DK. Hopefully the new tanking talents and new itemization will ease the things up at least a bit though.
Jesse Jul 4th 2008 1:57PM
levelling a tankadin because I'm sick of spamming lfg for an hour for a tank.
I certainly feel Mr Rossi's points, very clearly. The only thing that'll get a faster boot from me than insulting the healer is insulting the tank. People never seem to internalize failure, it's always the tank's fault, never the DPS...
Well, I always knwo that even without pugging, I've got a spot in my guilds alt kara run, and shouldn't have a hard time getting geared enoguht o start 25 mans before wotlk. If I don't get sick of him, my tankadin may become my new main...
Stig Jul 4th 2008 2:00PM
I've got both a 70 druid and 70 pally, and I know exactly what you mean. Trying to DPS in tanking gear is like trying to knock over a large building by blowing on it really hard. You may eventually kill something, but its taken two hours and you still have 8 more mobs to kill to finish just one daily. I pretty much stopped doing dailies on my pally because he has AWFUL gear for dps. My druid finishes all the dailies on the Isle in 30 minutes or so. The pally, if I can't find a guildie to run me through them, takes about 3 times as long - no joke.
I enjoy tanking - thats why both of my mains are spec'd and geared for it, but I completely understand why ESPECIALLY newer players to 70 do not want to do it. It gimps you for everything outside of an instance. Now, this doesn't hold quite as true for druids (thankfully) because even in tanking gear they have a spec built for DPS and tanking which helps. But warriors and pally's have it about the same.
I'm actually running into a completely separate issue on my pally. I can't play during peak hours most of the time, and end up trying to run stuff either much earlier or later, and even as a prot pally, finding a group is like pulling teeth. Trying to run a non-heroic on my server is awful. How are new tanks supposed to get geared if people only run heroics? You can't hit the avoidance cap if you can't get into an instance, and people don't want you to tank a heroic unless you're at the avoidance cap.
Tanks have it rough people, show them some love!
milsorgen Jul 4th 2008 2:07PM
i am warrior have been since before mmos were a glint in a developers eye. i loved tanking in eq, vox and naggy were awesome to MT back in the day. but in wow i am dps... i want to tank sometimes, i even collect tanking gear, but its not as fan as it once was. some where a long the line pugs just became anti fun, and guilds require to much time and commitment to be of any real value... i dunno, id rather be dps with the option to tank _some_ stuff rather than tank and never have a chance to dps... which is kind of the way it is now, i just feel for the odd fury warrior i see in lfg without a guild, life is tough... but i understand the decisions you have made
milsorgen Jul 4th 2008 2:06PM
Listen I understand a 5 man is rather limited and alot of runs require some extra cc or heals that dps warrior just can't provide. But to say it's a damage issue, that is just absurd. I have never, ever, ever been grouped with players even remotely geared near my level of equipment and not been the top damage done, and most of the time the top DPS to boot. It's not burst damage it's sustained and it's epic in it's awesome glory of sheer destructive force. But most players don't see or realize how much damage a properly geared and played (at any level) dps war can do. Simply put we need some limited form of CC to make us the true hyrbid class Blizz calls us.
dan Jul 4th 2008 2:35PM
Tanks are hard to find for the very reason you mentioned: party construction for instances and raids. You'll see more tanks when blizz allows for it.
Xin Jul 4th 2008 2:29PM
wasn't there already a topic about this exact same thing? with about the same comments?