Ask a Lore Nerd: The swirling vortex of death

Terrant asks...
I have questions about Kalimdor. How aware were the Alliance races of the continent before the events of Warcraft III? Was it completely unknown, known but unexplored, or frequented by the adventurous? The only Alliance settlement seems to be the recent Theramore, but at the same time, the goblins' trading network and cities seem to be well-established, so you'd think word of the continent must have gotten around. And there are pirate organizations that include humans and dwarves on the continent, too.
Answer: It's probably that "known but unexplored" bit. If it weren't for the High Elves and Goblins, it likely would have been completely unknown. The Dwarves wouldn't necessarily know, they were still Earthen when the Sundering went down. Out of all of the kingdoms in the Eastern Kingdoms, only one had a particular affinity for seafaring, and a giant vortex of death in the middle of the ocean was probably a good demotivator for anybody considering exploring further. Heck, our world doesn't have a giant vortex of death in the middle of the ocean, and look how long it took Europe to 'discover' the Americas.
When you think about the two races that could have told the rest of the EK about Kalimdor, it's unlikely they would bother saying anything. The High Elves and Humans only became allies in the last hundred years (guessing, didn't double check this) or so, and the High Elves haven't lived on Kalimdor for thousands and thousands of years. There is a very real possibility it never came up. And the Goblins? Well, if the Goblins were selling 'exotic wares from lands unknown' it would be better for business to not tell the Humans and Dwarves about Kalimdor, so who knows?
Danny Zaidman came asking for opinions:
I'm sure you are all familiar with Illidan and the whole Demon Hunter thing. For those of you who aren't, let me explain it to you in a few lines of text. Basically a Demon Hunter is usually a Night Elf (although other races are known to have followed this path) who makes a ton of sacrifices to gain immense powers. These powers are used to combat the Burning Legion. Illidan is the most famous of the bunch.
Now here comes the question. Do you think what Illidan did for the Night Elves is noble or not?
Answer: I'm sure I'll get plenty of flames for my response, but I am of the opinion Illidan is pretty evil. Blizzard simply does a good job of making their villains at least a little endearing, and gives them motivations you can understand. For example, people still love Kael'thas even though his descent into evil-hood was a story told fairly well. Following his story was just interesting, and you related to him because you saw it all happen firsthand. Heck, I love Kael, too. I love him because his becoming a villain was so interesting.
Illidan is much the same. You relate to him because you saw parts of WC3 through his eyes. You read about him in the novels. You grow attached to him, but the simple fact is he did a lot of really bad things. He did a lot simply for power, and he put himself and others at risk just to make himself look better for Tyrande, and to get noticed by people more powerful than he was so he could further his goals. Sure, he did a lot for the Night Elves, but his intent was made pretty clear each time. Illidan wanted two things: He wanted strength, and he wanted Tyrande to love him. His cause wasn't a noble one. He was driven by lust and power.
Everyone loves a little romance, so wanting to impress Tyrande could be endearing to some, but I wouldn't call the Illidan/Tyrande scenario 'love'. He had full on creepy lust. It was probably a toss up whether Illidan would be staring at the Skull of Gul'dan or Tyrande's Panties atop the Black Temple, and the Skull won out. It's a family game, after all.
Doc asks...
What are the statues of hooded figures with swords in duskwood and around the dark portal?
Answer: We have no idea! I checked with Daniel Whitcomb (my lore partner in crime) before writing this to make sure, but neither of us have found any mention of who, or what, they may be. This might be a plot point for further down the road, or they might only exist to look intimidating. They're all over Outland and inside of Black Temple as well.
Fauche asks...
There has been somewhat a conflict in Deathwing's appearances and 'death' before/during/after the Second War, and it even kind of confuses me when I try to look through WoWwiki to figure out what really happened when.
So what I'd like to know is, what do YOU think happened when?
Answer: The Wowwiki explanation seems to be a pretty solid one this time around. Around the beginning of the Second War, Deathwing wormed his way into the Alliance under the guise of Daval Prestor. He aimed to become King of Alterac after its former ruler betrayed the Alliance, with the intent of using it to destroy the Alliance from the inside out.
At some point, he slipped up as Deathwing and was cornered and forced into Blackrock Spire. Seeking to gain the dragon's favor, the Horde attacked and defeated the Alliance forces holding Deathwing captive. In exchange for his freedom, the dragon helped the Horde acquire a few items of power to let them open portals to additional worlds. Unfortunately for Deathwing, the Humans hadn't given up on bringing him down. The archmagi of Dalaran eventually did the deed, and assumed him dead. Deathwing had actually fled to Draenor, and took his remaining eggs with him. This is where he met the Alliance Expedition, and got whooped again.
He returned to Azeroth, leaving his eggs behind and taking up the identity of Daval Prestor again. During this stint in Azeroth, he hid his identity and manipulated dozens, if not hundreds, to get at Alexstrasza, who was being held captive by the Dragonmaw Orcs. He attempted to attack Alexstrasza and steal her eggs, but the attack ended in failure. Deathwing was forced to flee, and his current location is unknown. It is heavily implied that his current hideout is in Outland, but we don't know for sure.
That is, more or less, the timeline given by Wowwiki and one I agree with. Various sources disagree with one another, but this is the series of events that makes the most sense.
Scatterheart on Dark Iron wrote in to ask...
This awesome symbol is on the floor in the throne room leading to the entrance to the undercity, and I think it would make an amazing tattoo, but I'm afraid it's some alliance relic left over from lordaeron, and I don't want some allie trash on my skin forever! If you know what this is, please tell me.

Alright, ladies and gents. That's all we have time for this week, but I'll be back next Sunday answering more of your questions! No question is too big or too small, so don't be afraid to ask. And before you go, I have other good news! While I always appreciate comments here on the site, you can also use the new lorenerd@wow.com e-mail address to send in your questions and comments, or to make requests for future installments of Know Your Lore. I hope to hear from you soon!
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Reader Comments (Page 1 of 3)
Ametrine Jul 6th 2008 4:11PM
I'm slightly disappointed that link labeled "Tyrande's Panties" did not, in fact, actually link to an item of that same name. Is that weird?
Daniel Whitcomb Jul 6th 2008 4:40PM
Yeah, 10-to-1 that's what Illidan's "memento" was, though. Dude is a straight up creephat.
Rahon Jul 6th 2008 4:17PM
The statues on the dark portal(s) i believe are supposed to be Medivh. In the book "Rise of the Horde" it talks about Ner'zhul talking to a hooded figure, which you learn is medivh. So the statues were in honor of him. I'm not 100% sure, but its what i think.
Camaris Jul 6th 2008 4:36PM
Hmm. Could that also explain the apparent ancient statues in the Black Temple/Temple of Karabor?
Roxton Jul 6th 2008 5:08PM
I doubt that those statues are of Medivh. Several reasons why:
First of all, the massive sword. Medivh was a mage.
Secondly, we know what Medivh's "hooded figure" looked like from BM and WCIII. It looks nothing like those statues.
Finally, the way they are always presented in pairs makes them unlikely to be a representation on a single God-like figure. When a statue is erected to, say, Winston Churchill, we don't make two of them and stand them on either side of a door. We make one, and put it in a public space. Also, I think those portals are actually older than Medivh.
My guess is that the stone hooded warriors are either simply generic intimidating figures (which may later be developed retrospectively into lore), or that they are representations of some elite foe we have yet to meet.
Ikarus Jul 7th 2008 5:14PM
I think Roxton is right. Blizz is a great company with some really awesome lore. But, I don't think every piece of artwork/ in-game design has some tie into the lore. The two statues are just menacing figures, like a gargoyle on the roof of an old building.
JR Jul 6th 2008 4:32PM
I would love seeing a hardcore Hordie showing people his nice, new tattoo.
"Your tattoo is so nice! What does it mean?"
"It's some kick-ass symbol from Undercity. It stands for Lady Sylvanas, queen of the Damned! For the Horde!!"
Camaris Jul 6th 2008 4:33PM
The other "Sundering aware" people would be the trolls of course, with settlements on both sides, and a leadership on the Zandalar isles.
Now, trolls weren't particularly friendly with anyone until the Horde came along, so it's a fair bet they never shared their intelligence with anyone.
Nizari Jul 6th 2008 9:01PM
I would guess that High Elves never told their human and dwarf companions about Kalimdor because if they did, they'd have to explain why they left, and telling your Light-worshipping buddies that you used to work for a lady that tried to summon an army of demons into Azeroth might not have gone over that well (It wouldn't surprise me if the humans finding out about the High Elves' history from the Night Elves played a part in the Blood Elves' leaving the Alliance).
Oldbear Jul 7th 2008 1:02PM
They are cannibals... They just ate anyone who asked.
Hansbo Jul 6th 2008 4:42PM
Maybe the hooded statues are the dark riders, who have been linked to gorefiend? A lot of backstory to them in both duskwood and black temple, seeing as gorefiend resides in there.
Falstad Jul 6th 2008 4:50PM
If you haven't already done so, I'd recommend the new
WoW book that just came out, Beyond the Dark Portal, I do believe is the title. You learn a bit more about Deathwing, Alterac, even Vancleef (I hear he pay big for your heads.) It'll give you more insight into the lore behind Deathwing, even a small look into that spiffy symbol below the blood spatter.
Xioyn Jul 6th 2008 4:58PM
When you look up into the sky when you are dead why does it look that way?
SaintStryfe Jul 6th 2008 8:56PM
when you're head, you see the Twisting Nether. The Twisting Nether is a mix of outer space and the after life for the WoW universe. The Draenei traveled through the Nether from Draenor. When you're head, your seeing half in this world, have in the Twisting Nether.
Xioyn Jul 7th 2008 7:56PM
sweet thanks
Shrinrokon Jul 6th 2008 5:05PM
I believe that the statues are of the leaders of the Shadow Council, not 100% sure but its my best guess...
http://www.wowwiki.com/Shadow_Council
larsiezwei Jul 6th 2008 6:10PM
Illidan we all know is evil, however still wrestles with the idea of Tyrande. He cannot win her heart ,because his Douchebag brother has that already. Illidan only knew one other thing and that was his lust for power.
Phantomwolf Jul 6th 2008 5:34PM
If you played the in the beta, and tried to wander into unopened areas, like Duskwood, LOL, you would pretty much know first had what those hooded things are.
I believe the internal Blizzard name for them is Guardians. Could be wrong but thats what i saw them referred to as.
basically its was a early security feature, they were dark in coloration with glowing eyes, LOL. Could one shot anyone or anything. i never saw anyone who could get past them as they patrolled the Duskwood side of the bank there as seen from Elwyn forest. ( I heard they were used in other locations as well during the first beta.) Kind of a keep out sign/grim reaper kind of thing made by the Devs.
The images on the portal to me look just like the Guardian npcs seen during that time of the beta test.
tehvoid Jul 6th 2008 6:05PM
and reminding strangely about the Wanderer from Diablo II ^^
JR Jul 6th 2008 6:19PM
But why are you so sure Blizzard invented them specifically to be the beta police? They could have used existing lore figures for that.