Hybrid Theory: PvP viability
Welcome to Hybrid Theory, where we discuss all things hybrid in the World of Warcraft. Hybrid Theory is brought to you each week by columnist/blogger Alex Ziebart.A pretty substantial point of debate when it comes to Hybrids is their place in PvP. The thought that only one spec is viable per class is most problematic in the context of Hybrids for a couple of different reasons. Some argue against every spec being arena viable, some argue in favor of it.
The argument in favor of each spec being viable that I feel is the strongest is the fact that each Hybrid spec is vastly different from all of the others. In the arena, an Enhancement Shaman isn't doing the same thing as an Elemental Shaman. They are doing similar things like dropping totems and casting Shocks, but the role they play is different. Enhancement is in your face, Elemental throws lightning at your face, and Restoration is healing your face. This is not like Rogues in which all three specs are about hitting you until you fall down, just in different ways.
Why is it a problem that all three of them aren't viable? It essentially feels like a forced block on your chances at success. "Just spec Resto" isn't really a valid answer, because it means you are not able to play your preferred role. Someone who rolled a Shaman to Stormstrike people's faces off are told to go get some Elemental gear, and that isn't very fun. To be successful in the arena, they are more or less forced out of how they want to play the game.
This is not necessarily a product of poor development. As was stated at the WWI, generally the devs don't choose which tree is the PvP tree, and which is the PvE tree. At least not when development starts. One evolves that way as players progress through the game. It's an MMO, so players will always try to min/max and find the best possible talent choices, specs and combinations. To keep the Shaman example going, Enhancement is alright in PvP in certain compositions. Elemental is just better. Thus, Elemental becomes the PvP spec for Shaman. There are definitely compositions that make an Enhancement Shaman very powerful, but they tend to simply be not as versatile as other Shaman specs.
So while the class isn't poorly developed, the nature of multiplayer gameplay brings out the inner min/maxer in us all. Elemental is just plain better in PvP. All classes have one or two specs that are the best in PvP, and one or two that just aren't very good there. This poses a problem on a personal level because, again, it means you cannot necessarily succeed while playing what you like to play. Of course, that also applies to PvE now and then. Not as much as it used to, but it does on occasion.
It also applies to real life. You may love to play golf and golf clubs hit golf balls pretty well, but you wouldn't use a golf club to play baseball. Buff golf? No.
Regardless of the arguments behind it in either direction, there's one thing that's clear: Not being able to do what you enjoy sucks. No matter if it's PvE or PvP, it sucks. The class and spec balance in PvE has improved vastly over the years, especially for Hybrids. Just about every spec has become viable. Even the weakest of them can still find a place in a raid, and that raid will still be successful. It's been made pretty clear that an active effort is being made to improve weak specs in PvP and arenas as well, though we have only seen bits and pieces of it in BC patches and Wrath previews. Season 4 won't be as balanced for the Hybrids as we'd like, but maybe S5 (or whatever Wrath's first season is) will be fine and dandy. We'll just have to see!
Again, it's worth noting that most players (including myself) are min/maxing powergamers. There will always be one spec that is preferred over the others. Always.
Filed under: Druid, Paladin, Shaman, Analysis / Opinion, PvP, Hybrid Theory






Reader Comments (Page 1 of 1)
Damntheman Jul 6th 2008 11:14AM
So as a prot war I shouldn't be "forced out of my role" for pvp?
Your tears only increase your heals; respec; love it.
Heilig Jul 6th 2008 1:20PM
Um, yeah. That's exactly what he's saying, and the devs agree with him, along with most of the community. While prot isn't really a viable damage spec, who says the protection tree is only about protecting yourself? If taunt worked in PvP and things like mocking blow had added effects for PvP, prot would be highly desirable in 5's as a damage sink that would have to be focused before you could rape the squishies. It would add a whole new level to PvP and break out of the "spec arms for PvP" mindset.
BTW, what is your toon's name? I want to make sure I never tank for you.
Damntheman Jul 6th 2008 7:57PM
Let's review: I say "So as a prot war I..." and your response is "I want to make sure I never tank for you."
I smell a key-board turner.
To Jukasa: Sorry, you're right. The obvious solution is to remove enh and ele sets. Thank you for your insight.
Norventh Jul 6th 2008 12:36PM
Stop posting that picture! *cringes*
Jukasa Jul 6th 2008 2:19PM
Theyre talking about pvp specs. As known as the specs that have their own gear. Prot warriors dont have their specific gear = theyre not a pvp spec.
All pvp specs should be viable.
Reader Jul 6th 2008 3:53PM
Every spec should* be viable for everyhing.
Is these posible? Easy?Realistic?
IDK but that would atleast be the ideal thing.
Anyone that says otherwise,that 1 spec for x or y reasons shouldt be good and should suck is just being idk..like bad person or mean.Why wish something bad to others just for choosing their own path,that mentality is bad.
For hybrids its very hard thing,the spec is more than just how you do things but what you do so respecing a shaman from Meelee DPS to Healing is more like going from rogue to priest than like going from afliction to destruction.
Yes,even warriors should be good in PVP(they are kinda gods atm lol) I mean Prot warriors and honestly it seems like blizz is "trying" with the new skills and talents,they seem to be going the Buffed/CC/FC style.
They are gonna be hard to kill,but if you dont kill them they will protect and buff their partner and keep annoying you(Their stun for example was changed from 1 min CD to 30secs).
Eisengel Jul 6th 2008 6:01PM
I think the problem is the gear inflation. For some reason Blizzard decided that each piece of gear in tBC will have about 20 times more stat mods than old world gear... so now skill and level are MUCH less important then gear. The gear glut only magnifies the imbalances that were always there, the thing is that before the imbalances were too small to notice.
I really can't explain why Blizzard thought this ridiculous gear was necesary... they decide the mobs' stats and player level progression. I don't know what Shade of Aran's +spell damage is, and I don't know what Gruul's Intelligence is... all I see is a health bar, a mana bar and I get to see how much damage they do. If you increase Gruul's health by 20%, but increase everyone's damage-dealing abilities by 20%, then there will be no difference. The problem is that now everyone relies a LOT more on their gear. Our characters' stats and abilities seriously suck without uber gear... which doesn't make a lot of sense to me... we're supposed to be heroes, not mercenaries... right?
Even in the arena... I should do better if I am a more skilled combatant... not because I bought a bunch of arena rating... right?
tomhennessy Jul 7th 2008 4:15PM
Did...you play wow before BC?
The itemization gap is so much less now then it used to be.
Pre-BC - Can't farm MC? No epics for you. Go to a BG and get 1-shot by Thunderfury
BC - I have a passably geared resto druid now - without needing to raid hardcore - and I can stand around and hold off a Glaive wielding rogue. The item gap is much better.
Lachlan Jul 6th 2008 4:54PM
QQ. I have to spec disc to PvP as a priest, whether what I prefer is Shadow or Holy, and Disc isn't even a "real" spec, it's just the one that doesn't die instantly
FormerCustomer Jul 6th 2008 6:40PM
the gamers who tell others to spec resto/holy/discipline for PvP are invariably DPSers who don't have a heal button.
Such people feel that other gamers exist simply to further their own gaming enjoyment.
Which classes led the nerf druid campaign at the release of TBC? Warriors and rogues. Which spec did they clamor to nerf? Feral, the spec that attempted to mimmic them. The warriors saw druids trying to melee DPS in PvP and whined to blizzard until blizzard broke the spec (I like your picture btw) for PvP, forcing druids back into PvP heal bots (if they wished to remain competitive in PvP) like the warriors were accustomed to.
Hybrids should have a choice of playstyle, whether in PvP or PvE. DPSers don't mind only having one "PvP" spec because, no matter what the "best" spec, they're still enjoying their favored playstyle, killing the enemy. Given the current state of hybrids in PvP, it seems at least one or more devs feel that hybrids should also have only one PvP spec and that spec should be as heal bots for their characters.
Until such selfish attitudes end, hybrids will not get a fair shake in PvP competitiveness.
Veh Jul 6th 2008 8:28PM
So.... OH NOES I NEED TO SPEND HALF OF THE MONEY I EARNED DOING DAILIES A COUPLE TIMES A WEEK TO DO ARENA, LET'S GO QQ...
If you don't like it, just suck during your 10 games. I'm sure you do anyways.
Drog Jul 7th 2008 12:23AM
@OP: I agree with you in theory, but your example is poor. Enhance is considered the BEST shaman spec for 3s, and it's right up there in 5s with all the melee zerg teams. Shamans may be hurting overall in the arena, but enhance as the "poor" shaman pvp spec is a complete myth.
turkeyspit Jul 7th 2008 12:24AM
Wait wait..Blizzard failing miserably at balancing PvP..this is news to anyone?
But hey, they can keep calling it an eSport and charging tickets so schmucks can pretend they are better at WoW then everyone else.
If PvP is your thing, then WoW isn't the game for you. Good players know this.
Tsk Jul 7th 2008 2:11AM
Not only is your example poor, but overall hybrid classes have been doing considerably better over that last couple patches. Sure it's about finding the right comp, but thats something you'll have to deal with for any class. The only classes right now that come to mind as absolutely useless in arena are tanking specs.
Enh shamans do well in melee teams (warr/enh/healer, Serennia melee zerg 5s comp.) Restokins have been doing well and moonkins do fine in a caster comp or a 5s comp without a resto druid. Ret and holy are both viable in 5s 3s and 2s depending on skill.
I could go on. Even uncommon comps can succeed if the players have the skill and coordination. Losses happen in arenas, and too often people blame the "stronger" trees for being more viable. In reality the loss was more likely due to counter comp, out gearing, or outskilling.
/end rant
Nasgoul Jul 7th 2008 10:53PM
i know people dont consider priests hybrids... but as they can heal or dps i kind of do...
but anyway the disc holy priest can be seriously seriously successful.. but being pot committed to shadow with the gear right now.. .it is just a little frustrating to literally be the #1 target in the game with no way to defend urself against melee
Tyler Jul 8th 2008 9:36AM
Of course. Shaman's. Because they're the hybrid class hurting in pvp...
Crimsonmane Jul 9th 2008 7:01AM
I could easily succeed in arena with a prot spec war. Simply attack the healer and have a macro to stun/bother your mouseover without deselecting your target. PvP value = max. ((btw i'm arms spec and switch around from 1h w/ shield, dual weild, and 2h, depends on the situtation, yes i actually USE the talents tree to make my toon versatile))