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by Amanda Dean 
Jul 9th 2008 at 2:30AM
In my humble opinion the refreshment table is pretty neat idea. A Mage spend two Arcane Powders and starts casting the ritual, then two others join in. Viola! A buffet of yummy, health-and-mana-regenerating, Manna Biscuit goodness appears before your raid. The table sticks around for five minutes or however long it takes to deplete its fifty stacks of food. This is probably one of Blizzard's best additions.
In it's own way, the Ritual of Refreshment is also kind of a curse for Mages. True- the reagents cost a total seventeen silver at the vendor, that's not hard to swallow. Keylogger of Stormscale is annoyed by requests for tables. She pointed out that anyone with a friendly level of reputation with the Shattered Sun Offensive can purchase Naaru Rations, no badgering required. Other posters agreed that it's not the process of casting that's at issue, but the sense of entitlement from other folks about a table.
Yorec of Azuremyst argued that the mage table is equivalent to buffing. As a Paladin, he often has to rebuff when people are unhappy with his first cast. Group buffs from Mages, Paladins, and Priests require reagents purchased from vendors. Gold isn't a problem for most players anymore.
Conjured Manna Biscuits and Naaru Rations give back 7500 heath and 7200 mana over time. Warriors and Rogues have it easier because they need only pick up any edible food from a vendor. These are more expensive alternatives, but should be in every non-Mage's inventory in case of an emergency.
Tables are necessary in raids but a nicety in battlegrounds. I have to admit that I find "table plz" in the battlegrounds mildly irritating. I'm always happy to grab some grub when there's a table down, but I don't think it's fair to place demands in PvP. My philosophy is to come prepared and be happy if I get a little something extra. Thanks mages.
Do you expect to cast or benefit from Ritual of Refreshment in the battlegrounds?
Filed under: Mage, Analysis / Opinion, Buffs, Forums, Battlegrounds, Forum Post of the Day
Reader Comments (Page 6 of 10)
bdew Jul 9th 2008 7:22AM
Arrows cost money, poisons cost money, repairing costs money, soul shards cost time and bagspace.
When i'm on my lock i place a soulwell right when i enter a BG, if i have to ask a mage for a table - he SUCKS, if he won't place one when asked all i can say is "FUCK YOU"
Ikarus Jul 9th 2008 3:17PM
...What do arrows, poison and your repair bill have to do with me as a mage?
Zeekzulu Jul 9th 2008 7:38AM
I do have a mage, and drop a table every chance I get, to me it's a awesome ability that I like to use, no matter the cost.
Super_Duck Jul 9th 2008 8:03AM
when i ask a mage nicely to put down a table before the bg has begun, and he won't, he'll get a /spit. its one click and a few silver, can't see why he wouldn't help his team anyway...
Eva Jul 9th 2008 10:01AM
The sense of entitlement is the same one that is felt from any group who desires to work together to achieve the best results possible. When I arrive on site to any team, my part as a team member is to provide *whatever* can to help us succeed as a group, not as an individual.
As my priest in every battleground I participate in, I am appalled at the lack of support my fellow priests supply to others in the group. Often, I am the only one providing a Fortitude buff of any type, let alone Shadow Protection. After a day of AV on a weekend, I’ve more than likely invested in over 400 candles for my groups. IMO, every bit helps—every hp saved could be the last one you need for your victory.
To that end, I expect my team mates to do their part, which means supplying their own buffs, health stones, and yes, tables. Team work = high morale = win.
Ikarus Jul 9th 2008 3:56PM
"*Whatever*" is a pretty broad term. Do you pack lunches for your team?
slimj091 Jul 9th 2008 8:17AM
people also have to realize that mages get bugged ALL OF THE TIME for food/water.
you log in.. "from [random player1]: food/water plz!"
you add that person to your ignore list and then a second later..
"from [random player2]: can i get you to put down a table? i'm low on food"
and it goes on and on like this all day... every day...
the time for me that takes the cake tho is my guild was on our third "learning" attempt on voidreaver. i get a tell asking me if i could come to ironforge and make him some food. DBM kicked in and gave the auto respond that i was in the middle of a boss fight and did not want to be disturbed. so what does he do? he sends another tell asking me to drop the group because he really needs the food now.
it's crap like this that get us mages jaded every time we hear anyone mention anything about food and/or water. now i'm sure other classes like paladins or priests get bugged by random people for buffs. but the only reason why i don't have sympathy for that is because there isn't a gaggle of "buff" vendors stationed all over azeroth and outland. people that ask for food/water/biscuits aren't asking for them to temperaraly better their characters... they are asking for them as a means to save gold. thats it. and i'll be damned if i'm going to be someone's discount quick-e mart.
cdb2000 Jul 10th 2008 7:43PM
As a warlock, I can sympathize. There's nothing more annoying than being out in the middle of nowhere, dealing with multiple mobs, and having some moron whisper "sumin me! i pay 1g," and then proceeding to spam it if you don't reply within two seconds. As annoying and rude as "table" or "table now!" are, they are no more annoying than "halthstonz!11!" or "lock do well now!" At the risk of sounding insensitive, it kinda goes with the territory. In BGs, I get around this by immediately dropping a soulwell as soon as I zone in. That way, the morons have nothing to complain about, and everyone is happy.
slimj091 Jul 12th 2008 6:48PM
it may come with the territory for some people. but not for everyone that rolled the class. and this is not something that developed over night for me. this comes from the thousands of BG's i've entered over the past two years.. when people look at me on my mage and the only thing they see is a food "welfare ticket".
point being.. my "role" as other people that are not mages in game like to point out... is to crowd control, and do damage. it's not to save them gold on food. at the risk of sounding insensitive if your a mana user that enters a BG with zero mana regen water/food... you don't belong there. same as people that enter BG's with zero health pots and relies on warlocks for cookies... they don't belong there either.
one could make the argument that since we as mages don't have to buy food that we should provide food for everyone without notice, and without question. in that case... since i cannot heal myself i demand that every class that can cast healing spells be glued on to me for the duration of every BG. since i'm soft and fragile i demand that every class with greater survivability guard me at all times so i don't get three shotted. but that will never happen because in BG's everyone looks out for #1 themselves. so why should I look out for everyone elses gold purse?
Darxide Jul 9th 2008 8:22PM
My shards are precious to me, so when someone starts bugging me about a soul well for a healthstone that they probably will forget about, then i just drop a ritual of doom instead.
its realy surrprising what people will click just because it has the little cog on the tool tip.
MightyIdle Jul 9th 2008 8:44AM
Mage tables are certainly nice, for sure. However, I fail to see why it's hard for people to prepare and stock up on their own food and drink before they enter the battlegrounds.
Don't want to take the time or spend your money? That's your own problem. Don't rail a mage because he won't be your mommy.
Theungry Jul 9th 2008 2:59PM
"MightyIdle said...
Mage tables are certainly nice, for sure. However, I fail to see why it's hard for people to prepare and stock up on their own food and drink before they enter the battlegrounds.
Don't want to take the time or spend your money? That's your own problem. Don't rail a mage because he won't be your mommy."
/Agree
Jetson Jul 9th 2008 8:48AM
If you don't want to do what your class is SUPPOSED to do (ie. buffs, cc, food/water) then why are you playing that class?
The amount of stress you give yourself over people asking for it and you being all obstinate about it is silly.
Yes, don't do AB. Do AI. No reagent cost, no mana cost (before the BG starts). And throw down a fricking table. You're gonna whine about 2 arcane powder? Oh come on....
slimj091 Jul 9th 2008 9:31AM
we're not whining. your the one that is whining because we don't give you what you think is rightfully yours. the day i can go up to a vendor and buy every player class buff is the day that i'll throw down a table to save you 75s per stack of food.
JDM Jul 9th 2008 10:34AM
It's not "2 Arcane Powder" that stops us from doing it. It is the 100 powders we would have to use to PvP all day if we dropped a table every time, and the hundreds of people who are too cheap to get their own food and instead ask very rudely for tables in every single battleground.
slide Jul 9th 2008 8:51AM
It sounds more like hurt pride than reagent cost is more of cause for a table not to be dropped in a bg. As a warlock my buffs are junk and my HS costs as much as a soulwell so might as well make a soulwell. But if mages are really concerned about getting tit-for-tat just say when you come in to the bg "no buffs no table". Buffs are overated anyway in bg, you die and they're all gone. I've never blamed a priest/pallie/druid/whatever for not buffing me and that's the reason I died. At least you get to keep the food. One table is enough for me to do bgs all night and even get in my dailies.
Adorialea Jul 9th 2008 8:55AM
I tend to only pop a table the first BG I go into, so I can grab some grub for myself. After that I leave it for the other mages. I fed one group already.
The reagents may be cheap, but if you're bringing out tables every time someone asks for one it can add up quickly. I don't do Arcane Brilliance anymore for just that reason.
I'm not trying to be mean, but I just can't be running to the vendor every other BG to be able to make another table for people who won't even *buff* me.
Randal Jul 9th 2008 9:08AM
As a warrior that carries my own food, has the underspore frond, and bandages...I'll be honest, half the time I don't even grab food from the tables.
However, here is my opinion on the matter. If you are about winning the match, drop a table. It's an aid toward winning. If you are just there to grind marks & honor, don't worry about it, or what other people say.
I appreciate a soul well much more than a mage table, and I actually see those a lot more often than mage tables in the non-AV bgs. In AV, I don't think I've ever not seen a mage table.
Lastly, if the reagent cost is too much for you, when you drop one down and see Randal, dwarven warrior from the Nightfall battlegroup, remind me. I'll pay you the silver it cost. Don't whine about the cost of the recipe though...cause you would have bought that anyway.
Harlequinne Jul 9th 2008 9:14AM
Tired of waiting for mages to buff?
That Conjured Biscuit lost its flavour?
Want to be special?
Now in a mob or pond near you: Buff food! Just add spices, let it simmer for a few seconds: Presto! Crispy, grilled, delicious food that gives an extra UMPH when you need it! Mana, agility, stamina, mp5, spelldamage, healing, everyone can be a winner!
But wait, there's more! In every millionth package there's a shiny epic hidden!
Because "waiting for freebies" and "playing to win" just don't mix.
Of course, going into BGs without a flask doesn't seem to cause such a storm. Personal responsibility isn't what it used to be...
biglou Jul 9th 2008 9:19AM
I effin hate when I start dropping Greater Bo# on a class and 1 guy in that class insists on a different blessing. I finally resorted to GBoK in the starting area and BoK for the rest of the time. In most instances most tunes dont live past 10 minutes anyway. Re: mage tables, I usually just ask if someone has a stack of biscuits anyone can spare...I usually get at least 1 stack and more often times than not several stacks or a mage table.