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7-10-2008 @ 10:05AM
...but... what about the hunters?;P
7-10-2008 @ 10:16AM
Yeah, I'm curious about hunters too. When we talk about needing buffs, Shamans and Pallies seem to get most of the attention (and they do deserve it). But which class is at the bottom of arena representation in EVERY bracket in EVERY way of measuring? Hunters. For 2s, 3s, and most of the time in 5s, hunters are the least represented in the 2000+ bracket and the 2200+ bracket.My theory on why there isn't much talk of hunters needing buffs is that pvp hunters have just given up. We've been bad at Arena pvp since the beginning, so perhaps there's just no still rallying for the cause.
7-10-2008 @ 11:14AM
There are plenty of hunters in top arena brackets of all levels. The difference is that to get there you have to REALLY know how to play your class well and understand it better than most of the Huntards out there that break their own ice traps. A good Hunter/Druid combo is one of the most feared drain teams around.Hunters have been buffed significantly many times. They were given a freaking dispel that is part of their mobile shot rotation, so they don't even have to think about it to use it. Don't tell me that a physical dps class needs a ranged dispel that they can fire off every 6 seconds.
7-10-2008 @ 12:16PM
@Heilig: that dispel is only for MM hunters that have put all their talent points to get to the top of that tree and sacrificed all the BM talents that most hunters adore.Sure there are SOME hunters in top brackets, but COMPARED to every other class, they are at the bottom; look it up. Hunter != good times in arena.In addition will all the res out there hunter traps are only firing about half the time now; shots are missing a lot more, and LOS is still teh suk.But ya know... it does not bother me too much, just challenges me to learn the class better, think of alternate solutions to a fight (with exception of pally bubble, which is impossible).As you point out, unlike other classes, hunters have to have skill.
7-10-2008 @ 12:58PM
Heilig,I am in fact a Duelist Hunter, running with a Restodruid. So, I do know that it CAN break into the high ratings. What you're overlooking from my post, though, is that the statistics of arena representation show that hunters are far and away the least represented. You seem to be arguing the few-to-many fallacy, that the presence of some implies the presence of many.But back to the constructive, it would be difficult to buff hunters into decent representation without addressing two things: we do little to no damage against anyone who stays in melee, and we do little to no damage against anyone who LOSes us (we have only 1 damage ability that can be used while moving, and it's on a 6 second CD. Our auto attack requires standing still and not using any ability for .5 seconds before it fires.). Fix those, even if it comes with corresponding nerfs elsewhere, and hunters will have a bit more showing in arenas.
7-10-2008 @ 1:41PM
@ here's a thoughtI think you are confused. ALL hunters get a dispel on arcane shot rank 5 (or 6) and above with out any talents on a 6 sec cd. (5 secs with talents). Hunters being under-represented in Arena's makes me really nervous. Cause they do pretty damn good in BG's and PvP content. So if they buff them on the basis of Arena numbers (and lets be honest, Arena is only a VERY small part of the game) they will become even better in BG's and raid/heroics/5 mans
7-10-2008 @ 1:44PM
*BG's and PvE content
7-10-2008 @ 4:09PM
That's a good point Ikarus. Hunters are quite good in BGs. I think it's very possible to improve hunter's arena presence without affecting BGs, though. Just make sure that the fixes address the LOS issues first and foremost. Seeing as LOS is much less important in BGs, buffs along these lines wouldn't make hunters much more powerful in BG encounters.
7-11-2008 @ 10:17AM
http://www.wowhead.com/?spell=14285i stand corrected. i guess i have blinders on forhttp://www.wowhead.com/?spell=34490
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