Scattered Shots: Sting operations
Scattered Shots is for Hunters. This week, Daniel Whitcomb will be covering for David Bowers, despite the fact that his Hunter isn't currently specced for Scatter Shot.
As Hunters, our primary role is and likely always will be the DPS. Even the new pet talent trees probably aren't going to change that too much. In the end, we sit back and fill the giant target full of arrows or bullets. That said, we also have quite a few tricks up our sleeves, a few stops we can pull out to get jobs done. Some of these come in the form of stings: a series of shots that put a debuff on the mob that can, when used correctly, turn the tide of a battle. Today, we'll look at each sting, what it does, and how best to utilize it in PvP and PvE.
There's a few universal truths to look at before we start: First, all stings are poison. This means that they can be cleansed, and that certain mobs will be immune to them. Second, there's only one sting allowed per a hunter, and most stings don't stack. That means that you can only apply one sting at a time as an individual hunter. Still, that can turn out to be helpful in some cases, as we'll discuss later. In addition, Viper and Scorpid Sting can only be cast by one Hunter at a time, so in multiple hunter situations, be sure to decide amongst yourselves who's casting what, should they be needful.
And now, on with the stings!
Name: Serpent Sting
Description: Serpent Sting is a damaging shot that puts a nature DoT on the enemy that scales with AP. This is a nice, straightforward shot. Remember, as it is a DoT, it can prevent many forms of CC, including Freezing Trap, so be aware of that before you use it.
Use in PvE: Back before Burning Crusade, Serpent Sting had a place of honor in most shot rotations. These days, it's less used, since Beastmastery Hunters work with a 1:1 or 3:2 shot rotation and really don't have time to fit it in, and because it's not very mana efficient. Still, slower shot rotations should consider using it, at least in longer lasting battles where the DoT has some time to tick. If you're in a battle where you have to be on the move or kiting and your target won't be needing CC, this is some nice instant cast damage too, and probably worth squeezing off alongside Arcane Shot.
Use in PvP: If you're burning down a target, adding Serpent Sting to the mix may at least put the target down a little faster. Ace also reminded me that it's useful for keeping Rogues and Cat Form Druids from stealthing or vanishing, assuming Cloak of Shadows is down. In addition, in massed battle situations, you can quickly tab through many targets and put this up on them all in order to increase your damage potential and weaken the other side a decent amount. Again, however, be aware that this sting will prevent many forms of CC, so in some cases you may not want to use it for that reason.
Name: Viper Sting
Description: Viper Sting drains a good chunk of mana from the opponent over 8 seconds. Like all stings, its poison, so it can be cleansed. It has a 15 second cooldown, so you can't keep a target consistently drained. Despite the fact that it drains mana instead of health, it will still break forms of CC that break on damage, such as Freezing Trap. It also does not stack between multiple hunters.
Use in PvE: This shot has lost a bit of luster in PvE as of late. While it was useful against some raid bosses before Burning Crusade, such as Moam of AQ20, the need to mana drain really hasn't been a major boss mechanic since then, and even most normal spellcaster mobs have such large mana pools that you won't drain enough mana to prevent any spellcasts before they die, especially since the cooldown now prevents you from having it up all the time. Still, there is the odd mob here and there with a mana pool small enough to justify throwing out a drain, and if it takes you long enough to kill them, sometimes it's nice to have that mana drain up to prevent them from regenerating enough to cast another spell.
Use in PvP: PvP is where this sting really shines, mostly when used by drain teams, or when used against a single target to aggressively drain their mana, usually a healer. However, to use it effectively, you can't always just fire and forget it, especially not if you're up against anyone who can just cleanse it off. Specifically, you're going to want to stack poisons on their target so that they can't cleanse off the mana drain right away. There's two main ways to do this. The first is to bring along a scorpid pet. Their Scorpid Poison stacks up to 5 times, and each cast of Cleanse or each tick of Abolish Poison or a Poison Cleansing Totem will have a chance of cleansing one of those poison stacks instead of the Viper Sting. Similarly, you can try to lure your target into a Snake Trap, as the snakes' various poisons will also provide that extra buffer for Viper sting to work its magic.
Before Viper Sting had a cooldown, it was a popular trick for a Hunter to spam level 1 Viper Sting on a druid, paladin, or shaman over and over again, trying to trick them into wasting mana by cleansing it off over and over again. This isn't as useful a trick anymore since you can only use Viper Sting once every 15 seconds, but if you're in a drawn out battle and you're running low on mana, sometimes it may be worth it to try to use rank 1 Viper Sting as a fakeout.
Name: Scorpid Sting
Description: This sting will reduce the target's chance to hit with melee and ranged by 5% for 20 seconds. It does not stack between multiple hunters, so don't try to gang up on a target with it. Since it doesn't do damage, it won't break CC such as Freezing Trap. Thus, if you need to trap a target you've already hit with Viper or Serpent Sting, you can use this sting to quickly overwrite it before you lure the target into your trap.
Use in PvE: Most trash mobs will probably die too fast for this sting to of much use, but it can shine on boss fights. If your tank is having trouble with dying against a boss, consider weaving a Scorpid Sting into your shot rotation to give them a little relief, and possibly the edge you need to win the battle. Note that Gaeowyn the tanking rogue had a Hunter using this sting for many of his tanking victories. Unfortunately, as it is a poison, it won't work on poison immune bosses. It also doesn't affect spell hit, and thus might be less useful against targets that do most of their damage via spellcasting. Also, it will probably take away from your overall DPS since you'll need to disrupt your existing shot rotation to fit it in. Still, if it means the difference between a wipe and taking the boss down, it is well worth it.
Use in PvP: The main use for this in PvP is probably going to be the aforementioned clearing of CC-breaking stings, but if you or a teammate is having trouble shaking a melee attacker, it might be worth applying this sting to increase your survival chances until you can apply some CC.
Name: Wyvern Sting
Description: This sting will put an enemy to sleep for 12 seconds, then apply a poison damage DoT. It is a 31 point Survival tree talent though, so not every Hunter will have it. The DoT at the end can make this sting problematic for long term crowd control, although it can be overwritten with another sting, such as the aforementioned non-damaging Scorpid Sting.
Use in PvE: This can be useful for some quick emergency crowd control, or to put some distance between you and a kited mob if you're having trouble staying ahead of it. Just be aware of which mobs will be immune to poison or sleep, and thus to this sting. If you have a Freezing Trap break early, or break before your trap cooldown is up, you can use the Wyvern sting to buy some time. When you're ready to trap again, just use Scorpid Sting to remove Wyvern Sting (and thus the DoT), and lead the mob into your new trap.
Use in PvP: Generally, the uses for Wyvern Sting are more or less the same as they are in PvP -- you simply have to account for the extra smarts of a human-controlled target, as well as their ability to use poison cures, the PvP trinket, or even Stoneform to break it early. You could also feasibly use Wyvern Sting for an emergency spell interrupt in a pinch, or to keep a healer locked down just enough to burn down his DPS partner.
Final Thoughts:
As a Hunter, just as with all classes, you should always have a firm grasp on your abilities so that you can be the best you can be, whether solo or grouped, whether in PvE or PvP. Stings are certainly a good part of a Hunter's usefulness. They are somewhat situational for the most part, but good use of stings is part of what seperates the Hunter from the huntard. Hopefully, you've learned a bit about how to use them, and have come up with some ideas of your own on how to fit them into your everyday play.
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Reader Comments (Page 1 of 1)
Ace Jul 10th 2008 11:39PM
Serpent Sting - Also useful in PvP when fighting against rogues, since it is a damage DoT and will pop them out of stealth/vanish if their Cloak of Shadows is on cool down.
Wyvern Sting - In PvP also keep in mind that Forsaken can break it with the Will of the Forsaken racial.
Daniel Whitcomb Jul 10th 2008 11:57PM
Ah, I knew I was forgetting something on Serpent Sting. Thanks Ace.
Ace Jul 11th 2008 12:13AM
NP. As a survival hunter and undead rogue player, those are a couple of things that I'm keenly aware of. :)
germanboy3383 Jul 11th 2008 12:16AM
ummm, scorpid sting is king in sunwell
jumb Jul 11th 2008 2:19AM
When you're doing a raid or instance where the war/druid tank is overgeared, don't use scorpid sting. I've helped to accidentally rage starve many tanks by doing this in kara.
Kyudo Jul 11th 2008 2:33AM
Also, don't use Scorpid Sting when tanks need to switch off on targets like on Nalorakk in Zul'Aman. :P
While you're helping the tank take less damage, you're also causing problems with a tanks Rage generation and in turn, aggro control. Just keep that in mind.
swatltlen Jul 11th 2008 5:31AM
Serpent Sting was never viable in raids Pre-BC, it was a waste of a debuff slot and STILL doesn't have a worthwhile Mana:Damage ratio.
bigE Jul 11th 2008 5:50AM
As a MM hunter, I like to use scatter shot and silencing shot when I'm using viper sting on pallies, etc. In fact, you can even hit a trapped target with viper sting if you're careful.
Blorg Jul 11th 2008 5:54AM
You should use scorpid sting on pretty much any boss with an enrage: Gurtogg Bloodboil (especially when he fel rages on a clothy); reliquary of souls in the enrages; last 10% on Kalegolol or Mother Sharon; even the Prince in Kara if your tank or healers are at the approximate level of the instance rather than laughably outgearing it.
It's only a 5% reduction in hit chance, but it might generate a miss that would otherwise have killed the tank, and at least you feel like you're doing something.
Scorpid sting is terrible for mana efficiency but if you're not short of mana and you're not doing scorpid you might as well weave it in even if you're a BM hunter. It ought to let you get a few more dps out of your shot rotation. If you wait and cast it when you've hit bestial wrath and whatever trinket cooldowns you have you can get noticeably more damage per tick out of it too.
Rob Jul 11th 2008 9:34AM
Like others have said, scorpid is a huge mana drain on you, but if your tanks are at the level of the encounter, throw it on them. For BT they pretty much need it on the tough fights like BB, gorefiend.
Otherwise, really good article!
germanboy3383 Jul 11th 2008 12:58PM
look up what sunwell radiance does to their tanking, then reevaluate how useful scorpid stings are for sunwell raiders.
DarkIndy Jul 11th 2008 10:49PM
Scorpid Sting works well in PvP against Warriors. Most of them have no plus to hit gear now, and with a slow two-hander a miss hurts and with dual welder, they miss even more. As an added bonus, it doesn't give them any rage, due to causing no damage, that they dump out as damage against your teammates. It is usually a big enough difference that my teammates survive a battle with a warrior that was eating them alive before the sting.