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7-11-2008 @ 10:50AM
--A well geared feral druid is running around with 35K armor, 60% dodge at least if you don't downgrade to your stam set you will be rage starved when tanking 5 mans and heroics.--What you describe is overgearing the encounter. In that case of course, everyone would get rage starved. And honestly, I don't care about 5mans, I;m talking endgame. I'm talking Felmyst, with a 2.5 attack speed, where a dodge or parry leaves me with no rage for 5 seconds, as my whites cannot be counted as rage generation, while a druid's can almost cover him on their own.--As for warriors getting "the shaft" when every freaking boss stops dropping plate and goodies for warrior you can talk. When you face dead end itemization then you can talk. When warriors have the worst scaling in the game then they can talk. I love how you guys always talk as if you got the shaft when Blizzard bends over backwards to make sure you are catered for.--Itemization for druids is much better than it was pre-BC. And sorry that my class is item dependand while yours relies on the utility your forms give you. More gear drops for warriors cause warriors NEED gear to compete with other classes.--> a thunderclap for castersBS. I have no thunderclap. I've got a crappy bash on a 60-second cooldown.Your Shield Bash? 12 seconds.--Check the new talents, it's called Infected Wounds.Anyway, I think you miss the point... you talk about gear while I talk about utility. I don't know if you raided preBC, but druids that tried to tank were laughting stock, you gained a lot of ground, and have become better than warriors in many an encounter... and I'll give you a quick example:Illidan. I'm maintanking and we use a druid and a warrior with FR gear for p2. At p1 the druid is at cat for and dpses. At p2 he pops to bear, and tanks one of the adds, taking only slightly more damage than the warrior tank, and creating roughly the same threat. On p3 and onward, he truns again into a cat and dpses, of course combatressing someone if the proverbial sh!t hit the fan. At the end, he has 3 times more dps than the warrior FR tank.And I wonder... what raid leader wouldn't take 2 druids as FR tanks on Illidan?This is just one of the many examples I can give you on endgame.Also note, Blizzard is not unaware of that. They purposely add abilities that require a shield (deaden at RoS, shear on Illidan etc) to force a place for protection warriors in raids.
7-11-2008 @ 11:23AM
"Itemization for druids is much better than it was pre-BC. And sorry that my class is item dependand while yours relies on the utility your forms give you. More gear drops for warriors cause warriors NEED gear to compete with other classes." That's because you don't understand druids at all we are more gear reliant because unlike you we need gear to make up for our build it limitations like paws not scaling past 60. That gear enables you to outpace us in every single category endgame."Anyway, I think you miss the point... you talk about gear while I talk about utility. I don't know if you raided preBC, but druids that tried to tank were laughting stock, you gained a lot of ground, and have become better than warriors in many an encounter... and I'll give you a quick example:" gimmick encounters you will forgive me if I brush off your example. That's like saying because druids can't tank illlidan they are useless. Also take a look at your WOTLK talents blizzard is bloody well giving you everything on a silver plater. AOE tanking, rage from block/parry and much much more. Again you guys bitching and moaning about being outpaced is like a fat kid in a candy store complaining.
7-11-2008 @ 12:12PM
People who think a feral druid does good DPS after switching from tank to kitty midfight are clueless. A tank set will do at best 60% of what a proper DPS set could offer, which gets progressively worse relative to what "pure" DPS class can do. When I can OT an easier add in my DPS set such as the Lurker fight, there's nothing stopping a Fury warrior from doing the same thing and providing better DPS. Easy adds are easy, their worse TPS and damage mitigation aren't noticed.My guild is working on Illidan right now, and I'm one of the FR tanks. I'm doing a whole 430 dps per attempt, while everyone else is comfortably pulling 1700-1800 dps (people are holding back because FR gear has no TPS stats).If, for some reason, I could do the fight in my pure DPS gear, I'd expect to do 1200 dps at best, because of Illidan's not that melee friendly on top of my class's poor scaling.
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