Arcane Brilliance: Why Frostfire Bolt could change everything

Each week Arcane Brilliance serves up a big slice of Mage-cake. Of course, Mages have a very different idea of what it means to "bake" and then "frost" something, so Mage-cake might not be quite what you're expecting. Unless of course you were expecting a blackened husk of indeterminate (vaguely Gnomish) origin frozen into a block of ice, in which case you'll get exactly what you thought you were getting.
So last week was fun, huh?
I have to say, I expected some controversy, but nothing like that. My earlier column about how much I love being a Mage got 32 almost universally positive comments, which seemed quite respectable to me at the time. This one, in which I bemoaned what I perceive to be a very fixable problem with the class (the fact that our DPS doesn't balance out our incredibly poor survivability) is at 200 and counting. Reading through them over the course of this week, terrified to post any sort of response lest I be torn limb from limb and devoured, it seemed like there was no middle ground. Responses ranged from "Please consider discontinuing this article from here on" to "I think this is the most well written piece on this site that I've ever read." Of the 200 responses, I'd wager 150 or so were negative.
So what have I learned? You guys prefer optimism. Apparently.
This week, I went in search of things to feel good about. I do still love to play my Mage--much moreso than any other character I have--and I truly want to be optimistic about the direction we're headed as a class. Once I went actively searching for happy thoughts, I found they were out there, in abundance. In fact, many of them were suggested within those same 200 comments.
You see, as it turns out, Frostfire Bolt has the potential to be very, very nice. In fact, Frostfire Bolt could actually change everything. Come back after the jump to find out why.
The one concrete piece of information that came out of the WWI for Mages was that we were indeed getting Frostfire Bolt, a spell that at first appears fairly mundane. At first glance, this spell delivers a new nuke that delivers both fire and frost damage, as well as a Frostbolt-ish slowing effect. Its base damage isn't quite as powerful as a Frost Mage's Frostbolt or a Fire Mage's Fireball, but the spell would allow these two specs to do respectable damage to creatures immune to the Mage's chosen method of dealing damage. This would be very handy for Frost Mages in Northrend, it is assumed, and give Fire Mages a reliable kiting method. Yay.
I could see how such a spell would fill a need. It would give Mages a way to avoid respeccing for specific fights (cough...Ahune...cough) and add to our versatility, damage-wise. Was it the big nuke I had been pining for? Not that I could see...but it certainly looked useful. Frostfire would be nice if I ever decided to go solo Molten Core at 80 or something, but it wasn't going to replace my Fireball anytime soon.
Or was it?
No, it probably wasn't.
But maybe...
Here's the thing: apparently--as things stand now in the Alpha testing--Frostfire Bolt benefits from all of the talents that affect Fire spells and those that affect Frost spells. Think about that for just a moment. To get my head around this concept, I had to go through and list the talents that could potentially apply to Frostfire Bolt. Here they are:
Fire Talents:
Impact
Ignite
Flame Throwing
Burning Soul
Improved Scorch
Master of Elements
Playing with Fire
Critical Mass
Fire Power
Pyromaniac
Combustion
Molten Fury
Frost Talents:
Elemental Precision
Ice Shards
Frostbite
Permafrost
Piercing Ice
Frost Channeling
Shatter
Winter's Chill
Arctic Winds
Mmmmkay. That's a whole lot of extra pain to heap upon one spell. Also, That list only includes the talents as they currently exist. Looking at the talent calculators on Wowhead for Wrath, there are more coming that could affect Frostfire Bolt.
Now, to be fair, there's no way to spec, even at level 80, so that you'll have access to all of those talents, but there will be some very intriguing builds out there anyway. I fiddled around with the calculator a bit and came up with an example of how much you could potentially buff this one particular spell:
Frostfire Specialist build: 0/34/37
Now, I'm sure there are better builds out there, and it's still incredibly early in the process, so better and better builds are still forthcoming, but this looked good to me while I was monkeying around with the calculator. Your Frostfire Bolt spell would potentially have the following benefits from this build, and keep in mind that this is every time you cast it, and doesn't include extra cooldown-limited effects like Icy Veins or Combustion:
- 10% chance to stun the target
- 6 yards of extra range
- Another 40% of the spell's damage added to the target over the next 4 seconds on every crit
- 70% chance not to lose casting time when damage is taken
- 17% reduced threat
- 20% of the spell's mana cost returned on every crit
- 22% increased damage done
- 9% increased chance to crit, 59% against frozen targets
- 13% mana cost reduction
- 3% increased chance to hit
- 100% crit damage bonus
- 15% chance to freeze the target for 5 seconds
- 100% chance to apply the Winter's Chill effect, which can stack up to 5 times, providing 2-10% extra crit chance.
I purposefully avoided taking any of the new Wrath talents in this build, because I wanted to work with what I know, but you can see the potential here, right? Is it okay for me to be excited about this? When you factor in things like Combustion and Icy Veins, or the Improved Scorch debuff, the damage output for this single spell could be just staggering, maybe even "jaw-dropping." I feel dirty for even saying that, but in this case, if things shake out right, the phrase might actually be warranted.
But therein lies the rub. If things shake out right. That's an elephant-sized "if," my friends. There are several ways this could go. One is that things stay the way they currently appear to be: when we all hit level 80, Frostfire Bolt will still be affected by every talent that applies to either fire or frost spells. I pray for this scenario, but fear it's unlikely.
The reason for my doubt lies in Blizzard's design philosophy so far for Mages. Since our inception, Blizzard has always focused us on Fireball or Frostbolt as our primary nukes. Even in the WotLK talent trees, there exist multiple talents that apply to those specific spells alone, talents that reduce their casting time and increase their spell damage, excluding all other spells. If Frostfire Bolt makes it live in its current form, it will absolutely and without exception replace both spells for just about any elementalist build. It will become the single best spammable nuke we have. Can you think of a reason to use Fireball or Frostbolt instead? The only caveat I can come up with is the inability to reduce casting time for Frostfire Bolt. If you invest in the right talents, you can still cast those other two spells more often than you can cast Frostfire Bolt. I'll leave it to the real theorycrafters out there to determine if being able to cast about 7 Frostbolts in the time it'd take to cast 6 Frostfire Bolts is worth losing about half of the stuff in that bulleted list of effects up there. Certainly the extra cast-time would be a concern in Arena combat. Still, from a purely PvE, DPS perspective, I believe Frostfire Bolt would become the nuke of choice in almost every situation. And I have a sneaking suspicion that Blizzard doesn't really want that.
The more likely possibility, in my opinion, is that the spell will operate on a mechanic that forces the spell to define itself as either a fire or frost spell when cast, depending upon the target's immunities. The way the spell description reads now, according to the Alpha wiki, the damage is considered fire damage unless the mob is immune to fire, in which case the spell causes frost damage. That would mean only fire or frost talents would apply to any individual cast. I really hope this doesn't happen, but it seems like a distinct possibility to me.
For now, though, I'm going to dare to dream. The world (of Warcraft) is alive with promise and I'm going to allow myself to become excited about it. I can't wait for the Beta, when we'll be able to actually get some hands-on data on the spell.
Frostfire Bolt could potentially perform all of the tasks of both of our current primary spells at the same time, and twice as well. You could kite with it. You could trigger all of the giant crits you're used to with it, plus more. You could use it in Shatter combos. You could proc Impact with it. You could pump out crit after crit with it after activating Combustion. It will be comparably mana-efficient.
If this holds up, Frostfire Bolt will not just become a viable part of your spell rotation; for elementalist specs, with an occasional Scorch thrown in to keep the debuff up, Frostfire Bolt will be your spell rotation. Who knows? Maybe there'll even be an Inscription to reduce it's casting time.
See? Maybe we'll be able to top the DPS charts again after all. I'm going to take my pessimism and blow it up.
With a Frostfire Bolt.
Filed under: Mage, Analysis / Opinion, Expansions, Classes, Talents, (Mage) Arcane Brilliance, Wrath of the Lich King, Worldwide Invitational






Reader Comments (Page 1 of 5)
Markymark Jul 12th 2008 4:07PM
Frostfire bolt will not change everything. It is merely duct tape to the broken vase of a class mage which sadly I love to play.
Heilig Jul 12th 2008 4:21PM
Agreed. Jaw dropping DPS, sure. It may even almost reach 90% of the DPS of Shadow Bolt spam when that is also improved by ten more levels.
Keep dreaming man. This class is broken and in need of an overhaul.. Until the blizzard developers find a way to make it fun to develop for mages, it's going to stay broken.
The devs like warriors, rogues, and warlocks because they're fun to design. It's fun to come up wioth new and sneaky ways to melt faces, summon demons, ambush people, and just straight up rip their face off. It's not nearly as much fun to come up with fun ways to heal people, protect people, or stay just out of reach while killing them. Until the class is redesigned away from a you-stay-over-there-while-I-kill-you-in-my-dress class, it's not going to get any love.
Elder Jul 12th 2008 4:43PM
Agree.
Last week's blog was straight on, We're broken and Blizzard doesn't care.
Someone has to be the whipping boy, and this year it's Mages.
Frostfire will end up nerfed, limited, and hobbled, just like invisibility (remember when that idea was first out? Oh, we had such hopes) and every other carrot-n-stick "improvement" they've given us.
Other classes in the alpha are being handed massive upgrades (Titans grip anyone?) and we get... a nuke that does less base damage but has potential to be great, if it's not nerfed, hobbled, crippled, or outright crushed for "balance" purposes.
I've played Mages since I started this game, My first character was a mage, Two of my 70s are mages, and I can say I Love playing a mage, but I hate comparing mages to other classes in PVE, and PVP is pretty much a joke.
You know it's bad when you can say you love your mages, but for raiding you rolled a paladin or priest and for PVP a rogue or druid.
Heleth Jul 12th 2008 7:16PM
Play a paladin lately? Calling mages broken when they can still actually do their jobs is pretty hilarious.
Heilig Jul 12th 2008 9:33PM
Nobody said paladins aren't broken. My main is a paladin, and I could write a dissertation on how badly broken that red-headed-stepchild of a class is.
But this column is about mages, and Paladins being broken worse than mages doesn't make mages any less broken.
Elder Jul 13th 2008 2:12PM
Paladin? Yep, That's my PVE tank, Love him to death.
Can't PVP with him, that would be like setting fire to my own reproductive organs, but PVE he's the Best tank for 5-man content and Kara ever. (He's not been past Gruul/Mag, so no opinion above that)
Yeah, for PVP I've got a record of backing the losing team, don't I?
Saiforune Jul 15th 2008 9:17AM
Agreed
Most of the effects don't work on bosses.
Let's see them!
Impact
The Slowing Effect
and Frostbite
So you're really only looking at Ignite for raids.
Second The spell chooses which damage to deal, it doesn't deal BOTH frost AND fire it chooses one depending on the bosses resistances.
Which means that it will basicly choose what bonuses to take depending on what damage type it is using. On some mobs you might be able to shatter combo because they can be frostbiten.
Then other's you'll have to use scorch 5x just to get the increased damage because you're dealing fire.
This spell is broken and useless. And come on...there's going to be ALOT of frost immune bosses in northrend so seriously just stick with fireball imo.
Demosthenes Jul 12th 2008 4:10PM
Never let the negative comments always affect you. This is the Internet you know. I very much enjoyed and agreed with your article last week and this week.
Awelyn Jul 14th 2008 8:45PM
0/36/35 I think is better. Going that far into fire and not taking Molten Fury for PvE would be foolish...its just too pwnage. Also, I'd do 4/5 arctic winds and take ice barrier.
http://wotlk.wowhead.com/?talent=oZVg0zfcs0eRZbAMcocxoVa
Shenzhe Jul 12th 2008 9:54PM
I enjoyed both articles. I think the reason for the flak from last weeks article was because it seemed that you wanted the mage to be the best damage class in all situations (thus negating the need for many other classes.) The problem is that when people write negative things they are often looked at as an attack on everything you are not complaining about.
As for frostfire bolt being and frost and fire spell once the wrath release hits, I hope that's true, as long as they make it so that there's some significant disadvantage for making yourself a walking one-click monster. And not getting good 41 and 51 point talents is good enough of a punishment for me.
Claytor Jul 12th 2008 4:32PM
Your last article was spot on, and encouraged me to continue my new mage. If there are opinions out there as informed as yours with support Blizzard is bound to fix mages.
Lenny Jul 12th 2008 4:31PM
This concerns me just a touch but I will wait and see how it works when it becomes live before I gripe too much about my Frost spec.
Eric Hadley Jul 12th 2008 4:33PM
Awesome post, Christian - combining all those talents would be brilliant in so many ways.
Please vote down MarkyMark and his funky bunch of whiners.
Charlie Jul 12th 2008 4:38PM
Firstly, thank you for FINALLY making this post about frostfire bolt, I have been saying this for weeks now =D (check my past comments)
I have a mage, and if played correctly, we are still one of the highest DPSers in the game. But, we are the lowest of the pure DPS classes (Warlocsk, Rogues, Mages, Hunters). According to what blizzard has said, mages will be buffed to warlocks level, which imo, means putting us on the top of the DPS tree. This is one way that they intend to do this i believe.
Two comments about your post though. 1) No, it will not replace fireball and frostbolt. It will be the spell for elementalists. If your deep fire, you'll still use fireball, and if your deep frost, you'll still use frostbolt, and if your arcane you'll still use your AB/AM rotation. What I believe you had meant to say, is that this will make most PvE min/max mages go elementalist spec, and how is that different from right now?
I think what will be the kicker is how itemisation and raid encounters go in the new expansion. If spirit is the stamina of Wrath, then arcane may be king with its talents that affect spirit (increased crit). If AoE Damage is to Wrath as AoE Healing is to BC, then Deep Fire may be the choice spec. We may need 1 Deep Fire mage in the raid, and other straight DPS (elemental/arcane) mages, much like you want 1 Imp DS priest, and the rest CoH Priests in the raid.
Final point, you're spec is a bit off. Winter's Grasp is a must, as it allows bosses to be "frozen", for 5 seconds. Meaning you can proc shatter off of bosses, as well as helping DK's DPS/Threat (as Frost being their Tank tree, and having talents that affect frozen targets).
I feel very optimistic about the mage class, but again, alot relies on how itemization and the new raid encounters play out in Wrath. And if all else fails, at least PvP mages get a stun!
Charlie Jul 12th 2008 4:41PM
Oh, and as i've said many times before...
100% Crit Bonus Ignites off Shatter are sexxxxy.
Charlie Jul 12th 2008 5:07PM
imo i would make the build as such:
http://wotlk.wowhead.com/?talent=oZVgM0fcc0xoZbAMcocxoiqM
Saiforune Jul 15th 2008 9:24AM
Charlie...dude, come on.
Bosses right now can't be Impact'd, frostbitten or slow'd. If you know of any please say something, otherwise it is not going to effect how raids work.
There's just going to be alot of fire mages just like TBC.
Blacksabre Jul 12th 2008 4:38PM
Christian, you're dreaming.
Blizz is NOT EVER going to make mages really powerful. We're the butler, chauffer and cook of Wow, and Blizz isn't going to change us, cause to Blizz, we're too valuable in supplying needed things for the other classes.
Frostfire will simply be a reduced version of either Frost or Firebolt, and Blizz will puff out their chest for being SO SMART to GIVE us this wonderful spell that should solve all our problems.
Pretty soon Chilton will let slip that what he really meant by "jaw-dropping damage" was that mages will now be able to apply their current damage, or close to it, to all forms of enemies, without the limitations of fire or frost, and it was never Blizz's intent to improve the actual DPS of mages, only their UTILITY.
A long time ago, Blizz posted...back in Patch 1.4 or 1.5...that "no further class revisions are currently foreseen". Obviously, that was a joke, given the rise of the pet users and rogues, but mages have absolutely been frozen, ever since.
As nice as it would be for mages to get some useful damage improvement, it's not gonna happen, and anyone who grasps at the farciful straws Blizz tosses out is kidding themselves.
Having QQ'd for the record, don't stop writing this column, cause it does read well, even if the subject is a dead one.
Charlie Jul 12th 2008 4:43PM
I have to dissagre with you. Blizz has said that they are improving mages DPS because of their decreased Utility.
Have faith, don't let the mage class sink back into the QQers we once were!
Heilig Jul 12th 2008 9:40PM
Look further into history than two weeks ago man. Blizzard said the EXACT SAME THING two years ago, and a year before that.
And NOTHING happened. It's not faith you want us to have. Faith is when you believe that something is going to happen based on past evidence. What you want us to have is Hope. Well, I had Hope. But some Felhunter came and ate it off me, then spell locked me to keep from recasting it.