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skoll asks...
Whats your speculation about the Burning Legion in the new expansion, since Kil'jaeden has been killed/defeated? IF he is dead.. will it that be the end of Burning Legion? If not, what you think their role will be?
Answer: Well, Kil'jaeden isn't dead. Not at all. In the Sunwell Plateau, Kil'jaeden is being summoned but never fully makes it through the portal. We bop him on the head and he just falls back in. What presence will they have in Wrath? Well, it will probably be minimal. I am sure they'll have some presence, the Legion doesn't really have any love for the Scourge, but it won't be anything like what we've seen in The Burning Crusade. Kil'jaeden is alive and well, but I think they'll scale way back on demons just because we've seen so many lately. They will probably want to step away from thrusting the same thing on us for another entire expansion.
AndiIM asks...
Any ideas - lorewise - whom or what we might encounter in the "Chamber of the Aspects" in Northrend? I can't imagine Blizzard giving us a second raid dealing with the blue dragon flight. The only other flight which there is really a point to fighting with would be Deathwing's brood, right? But for Deathwing a one boss dungeon would seem to be rather odd.
Answer: I quite honestly have no idea. I doubt Deathwing himself will be a boss in Wrath of the Lich King, but I guess it's possible. More likely it would be a different black dragon, if it is a black at all. The best that we can do is guess and speculate, because we really don't have any hints at all except that it is probably dragon-related.
Avonar asks...
Perhaps a strange question... but Lady Jaina is incredibly whiney in the Battle for Mount Hyjal (CoT). From all I've read about her, she's supposed to be one of the strongest mages on the face of the earth, friends with Thrall, was strong enough to step away from Arthas when necessary.... so it just doesn't make sense to me that she sounds so whiney. It's not so much what she's saying but how she says it. Is there anything in the lore that justifies this?
Answer: In lore? No. Her voice actor just doesn't seem to quite know how to do distress while still sounding dignified. You gotta admit, even the most powerful people in the world probably get nervous and a little wigged out when undead and demons are washing over their army. It makes sense for Jaina to be a little on edge. Her VA just lays it on a little too thick. Instead of sounding a little nervous, she sounds like she's going to break down and cry. There's really no lore justification. The voice actor was just too over the top.
Jason asks a couple of questions...
Question: WotLK expansion clearly indicates Stormwind City will be expanded with a huge harbor. My question therefore is, did SW have a harbor all along in lore?
Answer: Well, there really isn't anything I've seen that says "yes, there was a harbor," but it is safe to assume a few things. First, Stormwind is coastal, geographically. There's some terrain in the way, but it's pretty solidly near the coastline. It would be silly for them to have never built a harbor before. However, we see in the 2.4.3 PTR that they're just now building the harbor for Wrath.
Because of this we can assume one of the following is true:
- When Stormwind was razed and rebuilt, they never bothered to rebuild the Harbor, or never found the opportunity to do so.
- Stormwind is dumb and didn't utilize their coastal placement for anything until now.
- Stormwind has always had a Harbor, but Blizzard decided to have some fun with the addition by actually building it up in-game, rather than having it appear fully formed since it wasn't represented in the game world yet.
Question: Alterac Valley contains/contained both dwarvish Stormpike and Wildhammer clan, orcish Frostwolf clan and Alterac nation. How is it they never collided before, until recently in WoW?
Answer: Well, the Kingdom of Alterac is pretty much in ruins. The only remnants are the Syndicate, which were in league with Alterac's rulers. They may still be in league with them, but Alterac as a nation is pretty much done for.
Neither the Frostwolf or the Stormpike have any real claim on Alterac. Both of them are relatively new to the area. The Frostwolf claim to the land is based on two decades or so of living there, and no matter what world you live in, twenty years does not make a kingdom. Orcs being Orcs, they certainly had no interest in negotiating with the Dwarves when they showed up. Except for Thrall, you will probably never see an orc in negotiations. Gotta love the thick-skulled, bloodthirsty brutes.
Of course, the Stormpike claim isn't much better. They're brand new to the area, and dwarves being dwarves, they think the land is already theirs. There are just some orcs in the way. Ah yes, the racist, imperialistic bastards of the Alliance. Isn't it grand?
So basically, both of them have set up shop rather recently, compared to all of the other kingdoms and nations in Azeroth. Neither of them have a very strong claim to the land at all, but they fight a bloody war over it regardless. Such is the nature of greed.
Siona asks...
Why don't the Draenei care for the Broken? They aren't as aggressive or crazy as the Lost Ones, but they don't seem to care that they're enslaved all over Outland, and Nobundo and his followers still seem to be treated with some ill will with the exception of Velen, even though he helped get them the Exodar. Why the hate?
Answer: Probably paranoia and a lack of understanding. The Draenei have been based in the Light for thousands and thousands of years. The Broken were forcibly cut off from the Light, and mutated into hideous beasts. It's a relatively new occurance, when you think about just how long Draenei live.
For a society that places your connection to the Light on a very high pedestal, it must be shocking to see many of your brethren suddenly have that connection completely severed. That can very easily inspire fear in people, and fear is the number one thing that causes you to shove those that are different away. Plus, the Draenei have been running from the Legion for their entire lifetimes. Your brethren losing their connection to the Light could easily be an indication of the Legion seeping into your ranks. However, we can see that the Broken are gaining some ground back amongst the Draenei. Shamanism is a part of their society, even if many of the Draenei find it strange or unusual. Shaman have an entire portion of the Exodar to teach others, and Broken class trainers generally stand right alongside the other class trainers. It will be awhile before they're equals, but we can see progress happening.
Think about it. If a chunk of the population near you got assaulted, and then afterwards they mutated and shriveled like raisins... most of us wouldn't run up and hug them and ask if they wanted to play baseball. It's a terrible thought for sure, but most of us would probably feel pity for them and be a little stand-offish until we understood what happened or how we could help. There are some people that would have no problem running up and hanging out with those folk, but most of us would want to understand things first.
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Reader Comments (Page 1 of 3)
dan Jul 13th 2008 8:22PM
I think you're wearing your rose-colored glasses when it comes to the relationship between the draenei and the broken. The broken are the ones slavishly working inside the exodar after all. Never mind the fact the broken certainly didn't name themselves that.
SaintStryfe Jul 13th 2008 8:31PM
They're working hard, yes, but there's no indication that they're mistreated or treated like slaves. Broken have limited roles, and manual labor is probably one of them. As well, while that one section is handled by Broken Miners, there are Draenei Miners working in other parts of the ship as well. There's no evidence that the Draenei enslave or treat them horribly, they're just cut off from everything the Draenei know, until recently. Think how nervous some West Germans were about reintegrating East Germans, who had lived under communism for 2 and a half generations. Then add that all East Germans would have to be horribly mutated.
The Draenei and Broken have only worked on reconciling a few years in game. In time, things will improve, I think for the Draenei/Broken alliance. and of course, there's always the chance that they'll find a way to Unbreak the Broken.
Daniel Whitcomb Jul 13th 2008 10:22PM
There's also "Pure" Draenei workers working right along side them, last I checked.
Fraufrau Jul 14th 2008 12:30AM
There is also a short quest line in Zangarmarsh where you are asked by a Draenei to try and encourage a tribe of Broken in the South of the zone to rejoin the Draenei in their pursuit of the Light.
Unfortunately the method/approach the Draenei NPC asks you to use ends up insulting the leader of the tribe but the Draenei learns his lesson but still somewhat doesn't understand the desire for the Broken to be independant.
Fraufrau Jul 14th 2008 12:33AM
Oh and don't forget about the Kurenai - a seperate faction that is harmonious with the Draenei and the rest of the Alliance... not sure they would be that way if Broken were being mistreated by Draenei.
Kolo Jul 13th 2008 8:24PM
QQ posts in 5, 4, 3, 2, 1...
Jacob Parsons Jul 13th 2008 8:25PM
About SW Harbor: On the PTR, one of the NPCs "building" the new area actually says that they are working on a "new road" to SW harbor. That's fairly indicative that the harbor has always been there, just inaccessible to players for whatever reason.
Fauche Jul 13th 2008 9:04PM
Also, speaking of which, after the First War when Stormwind was razed by the invading Horde, the surviving humans lead by Anduin Lothar fled the city on boats, heading up to Southshore.
With this in mind, there MUSt have been some form of Harbor nearby, and considering there isn't, it would only make sense for one to be near/in the city in the first place. Perhaps not as big as it will be now or as majestic, SINCE the First War, Stormwind has been rebuilt. It would make sense for them to take time in rebuilding and fixing the place.
Alex Ziebart Jul 13th 2008 9:32PM
Hm, is that so? I'll need to hop on the PTR and check that. Mayhaps I scanned the NPC text too quickly.
Petre Jul 13th 2008 9:33PM
Killing Arthas may cause the undead to "go wild" but I highly doubt that wild and crazy uncontrolled undead are as dangerous as undead with design and cunning as they have with Arthas at their lead.
Bromnir Jul 14th 2008 7:53AM
Furthermore, if Stormwind isn't accessible by sea, then VanCleef is in for a pretty big surprise if he ever finishes that giant ship he plans to assault SW with! The Defias descended from the group that rebuilt most of SW. I somehow doubt they'd be planning a sea assault if they didn't remember building a harbor.
Microx Jul 13th 2008 8:26PM
The Broken used to be Draenei, if I'm not mistaken. So the draenei are basically being all mean to their own race.
VyseV1 Jul 13th 2008 8:27PM
A thought came to me while replaying Starcraft. There was a mission called The Culling where you had to wipe out an entire brood of the Zerg cause Zeratul killed a Cerebrate(Or whatever) causing the brood to go wild. Wouldn't killing Arthas do the exact same thing with the Scourge and make them slightly more dangerous?
Also wouldn't killing Deathwing be a somewhat bad thing? I understand he's evil and all that jazz. but he is still an aspect and killing an aspect is bad isn't it?
SaintStryfe Jul 13th 2008 8:34PM
One idea you left out Alex:
When they rebuilt Stormwind after the war, they cut off the Harbor fearing it too easy an avenue of attack (remember, the Orcs just took a flotilla across the Great Sea. If they could do that, how hard is it to imagine that they might have made a war machine of it?), but now with the threat of Northrend rising up, they're rebuilding things.
Llowe Jul 13th 2008 8:47PM
hey just popping in to see if my Forsaken-related question/s from two(i think) installments back are somewhere on your list? no rush or anything, just want to make sure they're not forgotten. if they're too long/complex i would be happy to edit them down to essentials.
thanks again for this piece!
Llowe Jul 13th 2008 9:53PM
actually it was in "evil-o-meter", three installments ago. =)
wrez Jul 13th 2008 8:43PM
There are many Warcraft novels on the market. Are they a good source of in-canon lore, and if so, in what order should I read them?
Siona Jul 14th 2008 5:43AM
I personally believe Rise of the Horde to be the best. :3
CursedSeishi Jul 13th 2008 8:45PM
I dont think killing Deathwing would have a detrimental impact. I agree though, that it might be possible that the scourge could go berserk and crazed with the death of the Lich King (if that is possible to truelly kill him)
Considering Deathwing's formal aspect was Earth, you'd think after his corruption into his current self, the earth would of suffered as well, yet it hasnt. So the death of the former aspect of earth shouldnt have that much of a drastic effect. If anything, it might be a purification if his corruption had any side-effects.
ryuzaki90 Jul 14th 2008 10:59PM
Hasn't it? It may not of directly gone to hell of it's own, but many things happened that scarred the earth.