Not so much for the Horde

I've no doubt fooled all of you with my cunning use of the second person pronoun here (note: it was third person, genius), and... I didn't? You all knew I was talking about myself? Dang. Well, on with it: while I love my tauren warrior and have a blast playing my orc shaman, I really prefer Alliance over Horde. I personally have no difficulty leveling on one side or the other of the factional wall, but in general, I find the Horde quests can veer into unpleasant, even outright evil extremes that I don't like participating in. What's funny about this is, aside from a few quests I really don't like, I can't find any functional reason for my preference. I have met and played with good people on both factions, which is why I leveled two toons to 70 and another into his 60's over there (Consummate Vees, woo hoo!) and I really can't say that I prefer one faction's cities over the other. My two favorite races in the game are Tauren and Draenei, with Orcs and Humans as my second choices partially out of tradition and partially for stature reasons since I play warriors a lot.
I've tried to understand it by talking to players on both factions, and I generally get the same responses. Each faction seems to believe that the other faction is composed primarily of younger, unskilled players, despite the fact that almost all my guildmates on both sides are adults, often married, often with young children of their own. Each side can tell you about horrible gank festivals in lowbie cities they've experienced (and I've experienced it myself as a lowbie tauren trying to make it in Tarren Mill, not to mention having several 60+ horde come kill all my quest givers in Duskwood), immature behavior like /spit or what have you... none of these things seem pervasively unique to one faction. As far as I have been able to tell, the players are basiclaly the same horde or alliance.
To a certain degree i think my perspective comes from lore, and has been shaped as the lore has changed. I was always aware of the Draenei as Akama's people, the huddled refugees who ended up in Illidan's service after the orcs and the Burning Legion almost totally wiped them out, but with the revelation of their true origin as the last survivors of an uncorrupted Eredar race and the role the orcs played in their genocide (and it's clearly established in books such as Rise of the Horde that the draenei were nothing but good neighbors, if a touch aloof, for generations before the orcs turned on them) I went from slightly apathetic in my faction selection to outright pro-alliance. I was never very comfortable with playing the role of the people who came in through the Dark Portal to crush and destroy everything in their path, even if they have had their shamanistic reawakening. While Lord of the Clans went a long way towards making me interested in playing as an orc, Rise of the Horde went pretty far towards making me want to be a draenei.
I've been ribbed by friends and less politely accused by others who are less friendly of being blinded by my desire to play one of the 'good guys', and I'll admit to a small degree of that. I do like to play a hero. I don't want to do quests where I feel like what I'm doing is manifestly wrong: this is why I never took part in the Blightcaller questline. I see no reason for the Alliance to be invading Nathanos' home and trying to kill him, and so I never had the Gorewood Bow on any of my ally 60's before The Burning Crusade launched. My tauren had it, because I have no trouble with killing members of the Scarlet Crusade. To my eyes, it's not that I want to be a good guy so much as I want to be able, however much I realize it's just a game, to be able to justify my character's actions. They should seem plausible and even worthy to him, at the very least. This is why I can get into playing an orc or a tauren but not an undead, and my blood elf paladin is very definitely conflicted about his allegiances. (It was actually somewhat of a relief to me when Lady Liadrin made the pact with A'dal in lore, because now Vorpal can think of himself as a champion of his people and not a thief of power he doesn't deserve.) Sure, it's role playing, and it's a minor thing, I don't spend a lot of time worrying about it, but it does matter and it does enhance my gameplay. As a tauren warrior, I was mad when I ended up poisoning one of my own people because a forsaken apothecary lied to me, and worse, there was nothing I could do about it. I couldn't rip his bony head off and punt it down the streets of Undercity for the affront. (I imagine tauren anger to be much like an avalanche, once it gets going not much stands in its way.)
There's certainly heroism to be found on both factions... the Orcish struggle to reclaim their past honor in the face of their fall to the demonic bloodlust, the tauren attempting to help their allies while retaining their own culture, strained as it is by centaur incursions and their new settled way of life, the darkspear trolls attempt to turn away from human sacrifice and cannibalism, even the Forsaken can have a rough nobility about them. I still kind of hate blood elves, though. Every time I play my BE pally I feel dirty.
A lot of my friends feel just the opposite. Some of them just cannot stand to play Alliance. For some it's the usual stereotypes about alliance players, for some it's a hatred born from PvP experiences (strangely enough, whenever I'm in a battleground I tend to hate whoever the other side is) and for some the ally side quests lack the same dynamism. Some people find human zone quests (like the Defias/Stormwind ones) depressing in their banality and I had one friend who rerolled horde because he didn't like how Magni Bronzebeard's daughter ended up.
When Daniel mentioned his hope for an end to neutral factions and a heating up of the conflict between alliance and horde in the expansion, I realized then that despite my Horde characters and my friends Horde side, I'd forever fall on the alliance side of that factional divide. As an organization, I just don't like the horde. It's got two peoples I like, one I feel indifferent to, and two I really dislike. The Alliance has no one I dislike: I even think gnomes are pretty awesome and that seems to be the race most people who dislike the alliance hate the most. (Night Elves being #2, and frankly, of your elven PC choices they're far and away better in my mind.) Plus they have Draenei, and I'm still holding out hope to get to play Broken.
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Reader Comments (Page 3 of 10)
here is a thought Jul 15th 2008 3:54PM
"being vain, elitists and overly righteous" the toons or the people that play them? ;P
Xonate Jul 16th 2008 10:47AM
Saying the Catholic Church had evil intentions is probably not the best way to not "offend any Catholics." At any rate, historical inaccuracies aside, I'm not entirely sure I get your argument... how exactly is the Alliance trying to hide "evil intentions"? What evil intentions does it have? And how is the Horde doing things with good intentions? Wiping out all life doesn't sound particularly good to me. Stealing magic so you can get your high doesn't sound particularly good to me...
Arras Jul 15th 2008 1:47PM
I'm glad to see a writer here professing their love for Alliance...or at least preference. Whatever you want to call it.
This place gets a little horde-centric if you ask me. Doesn't bother me, it's all WoW people :P
One of these days I'll level a horde character past lvl15. Maybe
AJ Jul 15th 2008 1:50PM
70 BE mage was my main, and when i made my second toon a draenai and i got to bloodmyst where it's just a BE killfest i got sick to my stomach.
however i've rolled a human and gnome (i hate gnomes, it's just for 5% int) and it's actually comforting in a way to have a vendor say "Have a good one", instead of "ZUGZUG"
much more civilized in a matter of speaking
Ger Jul 15th 2008 1:52PM
I will never understand the undying hatred some people have for gnomes. Is it because they are kinda "cute"? Is it because it is embarassing to get your butt handed to you by a 3 foot tall munchkin? Its stupid.
I don't admit to understanding the automatic hatred of a member of the opposing faction just because they are of the opposing faction, but I've come to accept that many people play this game to live out some of their violent psychologically evil and hate-filled thoughts that aren't tolerated in the real world. The belief that the anonymity of the internet brings out the inner ass.
I like Alliance because Gnomes are (by far) the best race in the game except for the class restrictions. Draenei are second. Oddly, Humans are my least favorite in the game.
I play Horde because I'm part of a great guild with good friends tht do not play alliance.
I so miss my Gnome tank and Draenei Paladin.
AJ Jul 15th 2008 2:00PM
the only reason i'll ever run SV anymore is the gnome boss. draenai are squids, and should be on the little mermaid rpg or something
Ircasha Jul 15th 2008 2:18PM
It's the cuteness factor. I can deal with small races in games, it's an advantage in PvP, but pink ponytails and doe eyes on toddler bodies ?
It makes me want to turn away in revulsion or to smash it until it dies.
I do think that referring to other people's "violent psychologically evil and hate-filled thoughts " within the context of a game that exist primarily for you to commit mass murder is kind of disingenuous.
Are people asshats in games? Yes. Does this make them hate gnomes just because they're cute? Not in my experience. Anecdotal as it is, in my experience many of the most vitriol filled, spiteful jerks have been . . . gnomes.
Crypt King Jul 15th 2008 3:34PM
It's the fact that a lot of people make them because "it's funny don't you get it," like the 70% of the Alliance Death Knights that will be in the starting zone. All female with Pink Pompom tails. Yeah it's cute and funny the first few times...
Alchemistmerlin Jul 15th 2008 1:57PM
In all honesty, I prefer "The Horde" and by that I mean I prefer Orcs, Trolls, and Tauren.
But the forsaken and the Blood elves..bleh. The more evil they make the Horde, the less I want to play.
My subscription lapsed this month because I couldn't be bothered updating my credit card information. I don't know if I'll be resubscribing.
Angus Jul 15th 2008 2:28PM
Blood elves aren't evil.
You have a nation that had been staunch allies to the humans sacked by an undead army led by the Prince of a human nation. They then find out they were physically addicted to magic and are being changed into something horrible when withdrawal happens.
You have that same, decimated, race seek help only to have their Prince branded a traitor by a racist that had sent him on a suicide mission. If they seem bitter, they are.
Blood Elves are a race that has had everything gone wrong when they're only crime was surviving. They had to change tactics to survive after all that. The Prince turned into a nutter with power and the race itself worked with the Horde to get something close to acceptance and assistance.
Yes, some individuals are very twisted and evil. But the race as a whole is simply pissed off and doing whatever it takes to not be that close to wiped out again.
Alchemistmerlin Jul 15th 2008 2:36PM
...
They kept an angel locked in a room and stabbed it with spears for fun and profit.
Gulbrandt Jul 15th 2008 4:02PM
I'm totally stealing this so I can't take credit for it, but:
"We have a Naaru in a our basement. Seriously. It rubs the Light on our skin, or it gets the hose again!"
Many Blood Elves in Silvermoon (especially the Magisters) really loathe the idea of keeping a Naaru prisoner. So even the Blood Knights are not very popular within their own city.
For the record, Blood Elf priests (not the blood knights) were and have been legitimate users of the Light already, as I understand it. :)
As a whole, the Blood Elf race isn't "evil", they are more misguided and dangerous.
Forsaken on the other hand, well. Not even the Horde likes them all the much, and the Forsaken want to wipe out all life on Azeroth with a new Plague. They are most certainly evil. :)
Badger Jul 15th 2008 4:26PM
"They kept an angel locked in a room and stabbed it with spears for fun and profit."
Though they didn't realize it at the time, that was a fulfillment of a Naaru prophecy. That doesn't excuse it, but it would have happened anyway.
And also: "Fun and profit" aren't quite the same thing as "survival." They did it because they thought it would help them fight back against the darkness that encroaches on their land.
Alchemistmerlin Jul 15th 2008 4:45PM
@Badger
That isn't a particularly good reason to torture any being. Road to hell, good intentions, yadda yadda yadda.
Esha Jul 15th 2008 2:03PM
I'm sure this'll cause no small amount of... how is it put? QQ? Yes, I'm sure this'll cause an amount of that, but my experiences were the reverse.
The Alliance had a generally uninteresting storyline, for me. Whereas Thrall's struggle to gain respect for the new Horde, and finally rediscovering the Orcs that once were (the Mag'har), were enthralling to me.
Also, I found a number of Alliance quests imperialistic, militaristic, self-obsessed, and outright xenophobic. To me that's pretty evil in and of itself. Please don't try to tell me there's no evil in the Horde, when there are so many examples of just that. My favourite being that the Dwarves engaged in the wholesale slaughter of a bunch of tree-hugging, tribal Tauren just because they were "annoying" and they wanted to make a digsite there.
There are only three races I feel I can play realistically as a good guy, without feeling as though I'm deluding myself.
The Taurens: The kin of Cairne are natural tree-huggers and believe in pacifistic approaches (note, kin of Cairne, not Magatha).
The Orcs: They've been evil, they know what it's like. Now they struggle to leave a mark on the World that says they can create something, instead of merely being known as a force of destruction.
The Trolls: The Orcs saved 'em, and now some of them are doing their best to follow the examples set down by the Orcs and the Tauren. There's some evil there, to be sure, but they're making an effort.
Beyond that, the rest of the races pretty much practice grandiose levels of hypocrisy. You can't do evil on the one hand, do good on the other, and claim that you're purely a force of righteousness just because you're good at brushing things under the mat, or denying that your darker side exists.
Esha Jul 15th 2008 2:07PM
Gah, typo there. No instances of evil only in the Horde, when there are plenty of examples of just the opposite.
Ger Jul 15th 2008 2:05PM
[quote] What I don't like about the Horde is how their factions don't have almost anything in common. I guess taurens and orcs are the only logical alliance in the Horde, because they share the same shamanist customs and honor codes. [end quote]
What they have in common is the fact that the Alliance would wipe them out of existence if they did not band together. Alliance may be considered the good guys of the game but that doesn't mean they are all honorable any more than the false idea that Horde have no honor.
[Quote]My main is a Warrior and I read your column all the time, but now I am disappointed in you. I will never read it again. [end quote]
I hope you're joking because this kind of small-minded bigotry is just stupid. You may just be joking but I truly know some people in the game who feel this way. It boggles my mind.
Ircasha Jul 15th 2008 2:06PM
I've always been partial to the Forsaken. With the exception of the RAS, many of the undead quest lines are very tragic, involved stories.
I see little difference between the Horde and Alliance as far as who is evil and who is good. Both factions have bad histories of being tempted by power and not coming out on the good side. The Draenei, despite appearances, still have many of the same hatreds and prejudices that twist the other races.
Besides, the Alliance has gnomes. How can you side with a faction that allows bipedal rodents with pink ponytails? They are tasty though . . .
Dean Jul 15th 2008 2:06PM
I'm Alliance. I've played alliance on my main since the UK launch? Why? Because it was resoundingly agreed at that point in time that the Alliance quests and starting areas were just more interesting and better designed. It's been alleviated somewhat now but for a beginner the Alliance option still offers a better game up to level 58 than the Horde one. The gulf isn't so big, but in terms of quest design Horse lose out big time.
Aaryn Jul 15th 2008 2:07PM
Excellent read as always Matthew, but can you please delve a bit further into your thoughts on each race? I'd like to know more about why you don't particularly like Forsaken, and I was curious when you mentioned there are two races Horde-side that you hate, but you didn't name them.
I would love a follow-up piece, or a series, based on your thoughts on each race. Besides, on a whole you need to post more often. ;)
Thanks again for the great read!