Not so much for the Horde

I've no doubt fooled all of you with my cunning use of the second person pronoun here (note: it was third person, genius), and... I didn't? You all knew I was talking about myself? Dang. Well, on with it: while I love my tauren warrior and have a blast playing my orc shaman, I really prefer Alliance over Horde. I personally have no difficulty leveling on one side or the other of the factional wall, but in general, I find the Horde quests can veer into unpleasant, even outright evil extremes that I don't like participating in. What's funny about this is, aside from a few quests I really don't like, I can't find any functional reason for my preference. I have met and played with good people on both factions, which is why I leveled two toons to 70 and another into his 60's over there (Consummate Vees, woo hoo!) and I really can't say that I prefer one faction's cities over the other. My two favorite races in the game are Tauren and Draenei, with Orcs and Humans as my second choices partially out of tradition and partially for stature reasons since I play warriors a lot.
I've tried to understand it by talking to players on both factions, and I generally get the same responses. Each faction seems to believe that the other faction is composed primarily of younger, unskilled players, despite the fact that almost all my guildmates on both sides are adults, often married, often with young children of their own. Each side can tell you about horrible gank festivals in lowbie cities they've experienced (and I've experienced it myself as a lowbie tauren trying to make it in Tarren Mill, not to mention having several 60+ horde come kill all my quest givers in Duskwood), immature behavior like /spit or what have you... none of these things seem pervasively unique to one faction. As far as I have been able to tell, the players are basiclaly the same horde or alliance.
To a certain degree i think my perspective comes from lore, and has been shaped as the lore has changed. I was always aware of the Draenei as Akama's people, the huddled refugees who ended up in Illidan's service after the orcs and the Burning Legion almost totally wiped them out, but with the revelation of their true origin as the last survivors of an uncorrupted Eredar race and the role the orcs played in their genocide (and it's clearly established in books such as Rise of the Horde that the draenei were nothing but good neighbors, if a touch aloof, for generations before the orcs turned on them) I went from slightly apathetic in my faction selection to outright pro-alliance. I was never very comfortable with playing the role of the people who came in through the Dark Portal to crush and destroy everything in their path, even if they have had their shamanistic reawakening. While Lord of the Clans went a long way towards making me interested in playing as an orc, Rise of the Horde went pretty far towards making me want to be a draenei.
I've been ribbed by friends and less politely accused by others who are less friendly of being blinded by my desire to play one of the 'good guys', and I'll admit to a small degree of that. I do like to play a hero. I don't want to do quests where I feel like what I'm doing is manifestly wrong: this is why I never took part in the Blightcaller questline. I see no reason for the Alliance to be invading Nathanos' home and trying to kill him, and so I never had the Gorewood Bow on any of my ally 60's before The Burning Crusade launched. My tauren had it, because I have no trouble with killing members of the Scarlet Crusade. To my eyes, it's not that I want to be a good guy so much as I want to be able, however much I realize it's just a game, to be able to justify my character's actions. They should seem plausible and even worthy to him, at the very least. This is why I can get into playing an orc or a tauren but not an undead, and my blood elf paladin is very definitely conflicted about his allegiances. (It was actually somewhat of a relief to me when Lady Liadrin made the pact with A'dal in lore, because now Vorpal can think of himself as a champion of his people and not a thief of power he doesn't deserve.) Sure, it's role playing, and it's a minor thing, I don't spend a lot of time worrying about it, but it does matter and it does enhance my gameplay. As a tauren warrior, I was mad when I ended up poisoning one of my own people because a forsaken apothecary lied to me, and worse, there was nothing I could do about it. I couldn't rip his bony head off and punt it down the streets of Undercity for the affront. (I imagine tauren anger to be much like an avalanche, once it gets going not much stands in its way.)
There's certainly heroism to be found on both factions... the Orcish struggle to reclaim their past honor in the face of their fall to the demonic bloodlust, the tauren attempting to help their allies while retaining their own culture, strained as it is by centaur incursions and their new settled way of life, the darkspear trolls attempt to turn away from human sacrifice and cannibalism, even the Forsaken can have a rough nobility about them. I still kind of hate blood elves, though. Every time I play my BE pally I feel dirty.
A lot of my friends feel just the opposite. Some of them just cannot stand to play Alliance. For some it's the usual stereotypes about alliance players, for some it's a hatred born from PvP experiences (strangely enough, whenever I'm in a battleground I tend to hate whoever the other side is) and for some the ally side quests lack the same dynamism. Some people find human zone quests (like the Defias/Stormwind ones) depressing in their banality and I had one friend who rerolled horde because he didn't like how Magni Bronzebeard's daughter ended up.
When Daniel mentioned his hope for an end to neutral factions and a heating up of the conflict between alliance and horde in the expansion, I realized then that despite my Horde characters and my friends Horde side, I'd forever fall on the alliance side of that factional divide. As an organization, I just don't like the horde. It's got two peoples I like, one I feel indifferent to, and two I really dislike. The Alliance has no one I dislike: I even think gnomes are pretty awesome and that seems to be the race most people who dislike the alliance hate the most. (Night Elves being #2, and frankly, of your elven PC choices they're far and away better in my mind.) Plus they have Draenei, and I'm still holding out hope to get to play Broken.
Filed under: Horde, Alliance, Analysis / Opinion, WoW Social Conventions, Virtual selves, Odds and ends, Lore, Factions
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Reader Comments (Page 4 of 10)
Theungry Jul 15th 2008 2:08PM
I agree with the earlier poster who loves Draenei, but hates playing alliance. I love the horde and far prefer it, but when tBC came out, i wanted to play a new race and level a new character. The Draenei were it, and it so depresses me that the Horde got a "pretty" race.
If there were a betrayer quest, and i could get my friends to do it with me, i'd go Horde without a moments notice.
Theungry Jul 15th 2008 2:16PM
Also, as to Gnomes, every aspect of their character design seems to be either insipid or obnoxious on purpose. Its like they were designed for people who like to irritate other people. I don't hate them as much as many others, but I would certainly never play one.
In fact all the alliance races, but Draenei seem boring to me.
human - I'm already a human
nelf - trashy/bad voice acting
dwarf - fantasy archetype thats been beaten into the ground.
twh Jul 15th 2008 3:25PM
As opposed to the stereotypicality of the Horde's races.
Orcs - Violent and klingon-like, or any other savage race of peoples.
Tauren - Treehuggers, not too different from NElves.
Trolls - Trolls are trolls, no matter what fandom.
Forsaken - The shambling corpses with a perpetual chip on their shoulder that wants to kill everything and everyone. That's not original.
BElves - Just look at any evil elf race from any other fantasy genre, there are there.
So, no, the Horde isn't any more original than the alliance are.
Theungry Jul 15th 2008 3:33PM
Well, if you find those races boring, thats your taste, and thats fine. Tastes are personal, and i was simply stating mine.
If you want to argue originality, a concept that can be logically defined, you're on the thinnest possible ice. Name the fictional worlds where humans, elves, dwarves and wee folk team together...go ahead, you can write on both sides of your paper.
Now list the fictional settings where orcs, bipedal bovines, trolls and undead are the protagonists... can you name ONE where they are grouped together as the heroes of a story?
Haohmaru Jul 31st 2008 9:56AM
The Horde side is, simply put, not any more original than the Alliance. Minus the Draenei, both factions are extremely derivative - you'd find a strikingly similar lineup in any D&D game, with the main difference being that Blood Elves would be called "Drow" and would have black skin.
Theungry Jul 31st 2008 12:05PM
Thats funny, I never remember a D&D edition where you could play a Tauren...
here is a thought Jul 15th 2008 3:54PM
i have never played an ally above lvl 10, and never played a non-troll above lvl 25. the reason, like you, mostly is the lore. as i see it, the alliance is dominated by the races most focused on genocide. the horde are the races forced together because of alliance hostilities; none of them really get along that well (who can REALLY trust a walking corpse), but to survive they need the support of the others.
furthermore, i tend to get along better with people that play trolls. i think a persons personality dictates a lot about whether they will play a given race or class beyond lvl 20. the people that play trolls are most likely people i can enjoy gaming with.
AJ Jul 15th 2008 2:15PM
You be careful, mon...
Ircasha Jul 15th 2008 2:22PM
My main is a troll hunter I've had since release. I love the troll history and their place in WoW lore.
I'm boycotting ZA simply because I cannot imagine my toon going after Zul'jin . . . ever.
Braundo Jul 15th 2008 6:48PM
@Ircasha:
Zul'jin would end your troll's life without a second thought if he had the chance. He's not a hero to the Darkspear Trolls (the playable race in the game). The Darkspear Trolls are hated and have been hunted by all of the other troll factions, almost to extinction. There would be no reason for a Darkspear troll to fanboy after Zul'jin.
AJ Jul 15th 2008 2:15PM
running old hillsbrad has a purpose for me...nuff said
FTH
Largetermites Jul 15th 2008 2:18PM
For me, it all comes down to feel - more specifically, the background ambience and "vibe" I get from playing one faction or the other.
I am in a large and happy Alliance casual raiding guild. I have 4 toons in that guild. They are all friendly and helpful. When playing those toons, I always feel like I'm on the side of "good," taking action to ward off the dark in some way. This is where I spend 99% of my play time.
When I rolled a Horde toon, I intentionally wanted something completely different. He is an undead warlock, a loner who hates everything and everyone, and will never be in a guild. I play him when I'm pissed off or generally feeling antisocial. When I'm playing that toon, I don't play well with others, and have an overall "F you" attitude towards anyone who tries to make contact.
In fact, I've never understood Alliance warlocks, since their very nature seems to be Horde-like, at least to me.
What I found interesting was that, as Alliance, I am primarily interested in PvE - quests, raiding and 5-mans. The only PvP I did was for BG honor to get specific gear, then stopped. I was just never into it.
But my warlock - he will never raid. He will, however, roam BGs and Arenas with a vengeance, slaughtering hapless Alliance fools who dare to glance his way.
These are the differences between Alliance and Horde, and which you prefer depends entirely upon your own personality and what type of game you want to play.
Maulrush Jul 16th 2008 1:47PM
Play a Broken? Wouldn't that be like wanting to play an Ewok in a Star Wars MMO? I mean c'mon... their racial bonuses would be something like +5 to mud sculpturing and +5 expertise with sharp twigs.
I can't play Alliance because all of them sound like sissies whenever something crits them.
Radiophonic Jul 15th 2008 2:36PM
I never thought I'd see an article that was pro-faction on WoW Insider. This is the [WoW Insider Article of Failure]
yousum Jul 15th 2008 2:39PM
I play horde because my friends play horde. pure and simple.
I did try to roll alliance once, but could never get anything past level 10. only race on the alliance side that i think is cool are the dwarves.
Then again I have a hard time playing anything but a Tauren on the horde side. Ive tried to play every other race and trolls are the only other race that I don't mind. I don't have a problem with orcs but i dont really like them either. Undead are creepy and BElfs are not very original and i don't like their lore.
I love Tauren however. I love everything about them, their lore, their starting zone(roll a tauren and check out how beautiful Thunderbluff and Mulgore look when it rains) and even the music there. Hence why i have a 70 Warrior and a 70 Shaman, both Tauren. Plus you get to say "mooooooooooooooo"
Doffencrag Jul 15th 2008 2:56PM
Not so much for the Alliance.
Okay, me come clean... at least cleaner than usual. Me am biased. Me prefers one of the factions in World of Warcraft over the other. Me come to one conclusion.
Me really prefer Horde over Alliance.
Sure, both sides have share of gankers (except we Hordies do it with style). Both sides have lazy-ass letter quests (except we prefer delivering hides and skulls over pansy paper letters). Both sides have immature behavior (except we... okay, no difference there... pfft).
But me prefers Horde. For one, we don't do as much preening outside mailboxes. Hard to preen when most of us are hunched over (except them pretty-boy blood-elf people, who we don't consider Horde... sshh... our little secret). Also, me tried to play Alliance before, but me couldn't fit in their puny shiny armors. Meh.
Me just think Alliance as a whole bunch of Wesley Crushers. Pretty-do-gooders. Me prefer to do good as... um... Wolverine or Punisher. Dingy and grungy and all.
Oh, plus they have Gnomes. Eww.
twh Jul 15th 2008 3:18PM
If the Alliance can't be the heroes that'll save the world of destruction, who will? Judging from the puerile attitude of the Horde (The biggest idiot, with the biggest stick, on the top of the hill makes the rules), it certainly wouldn't be them.
Frank Jul 15th 2008 8:54PM
twh, do you actually know any Thrall lore? Have you even ran OHB?
*sigh* Why bother?
Urthona Jul 15th 2008 3:00PM
LAWL. This is a single blogger with a warrior fetish evaluating his time spent on 70s on both sides. He says he likes Alliance batter because he can "get into the character more". WoWInsider isn't Pro-anything, except maybe pressing Submit before pressing Spellcheck. Relax kids.
TBH, I think Matt doesn't really care, and is trying to generate debate. Go figure, right?
But I agree with him that Draenei have something special. And while I sometimes regret they didn't go the whole hog and give us the Broken model as baseline, I am in love with my Tankadin's combat animations. I FEEL like a tank when he runs in front and swings his mace. I'm a Blue Devil with Righteous Fury for Elune's sake.
Dear Blizzard: Introduce a repeatable quest to let Draenei "devolve" letting Rossi and my friends play their Draenei as Broken. Please. And give Druids foliage and fur color options too.
Eisengel Jul 15th 2008 3:08PM
I 1st started WoW with an Undead rogue. At the time I looked up the races and read a bit about them and figured the Undead gave me the most bang for my starting rogue buck.
I've never looked back.
It may very well be a personality issue... I definitely tend to the lawful-evil type (which is a good descriptor for the Forsaken), but also on the Horde side the quests portray the Alliance strongly as bumbling, idiotic zealots; quick to anger, slow to reason, and thoroughly convinced of their own righteousness in all things.
In general I've seen that behavior from the Alliance players... maybe I expect it, so that's what I always see; but whenever a quest mob of mine is ganked, it's Alliance, whenever a mob is trained on me, it's Alliance, whenever a resource node is snarked it's Alliance. Although that faction may be populated by entirely reasonable people, in game I find them to be rude, nasty, greedy, grasping jerks.. often taking things only because they can and spreading as much anger and peevish nastiness around as possible.
I will never, ever play Alliance.
Ever.