Not so much for the Horde

I've no doubt fooled all of you with my cunning use of the second person pronoun here (note: it was third person, genius), and... I didn't? You all knew I was talking about myself? Dang. Well, on with it: while I love my tauren warrior and have a blast playing my orc shaman, I really prefer Alliance over Horde. I personally have no difficulty leveling on one side or the other of the factional wall, but in general, I find the Horde quests can veer into unpleasant, even outright evil extremes that I don't like participating in. What's funny about this is, aside from a few quests I really don't like, I can't find any functional reason for my preference. I have met and played with good people on both factions, which is why I leveled two toons to 70 and another into his 60's over there (Consummate Vees, woo hoo!) and I really can't say that I prefer one faction's cities over the other. My two favorite races in the game are Tauren and Draenei, with Orcs and Humans as my second choices partially out of tradition and partially for stature reasons since I play warriors a lot.
I've tried to understand it by talking to players on both factions, and I generally get the same responses. Each faction seems to believe that the other faction is composed primarily of younger, unskilled players, despite the fact that almost all my guildmates on both sides are adults, often married, often with young children of their own. Each side can tell you about horrible gank festivals in lowbie cities they've experienced (and I've experienced it myself as a lowbie tauren trying to make it in Tarren Mill, not to mention having several 60+ horde come kill all my quest givers in Duskwood), immature behavior like /spit or what have you... none of these things seem pervasively unique to one faction. As far as I have been able to tell, the players are basiclaly the same horde or alliance.
To a certain degree i think my perspective comes from lore, and has been shaped as the lore has changed. I was always aware of the Draenei as Akama's people, the huddled refugees who ended up in Illidan's service after the orcs and the Burning Legion almost totally wiped them out, but with the revelation of their true origin as the last survivors of an uncorrupted Eredar race and the role the orcs played in their genocide (and it's clearly established in books such as Rise of the Horde that the draenei were nothing but good neighbors, if a touch aloof, for generations before the orcs turned on them) I went from slightly apathetic in my faction selection to outright pro-alliance. I was never very comfortable with playing the role of the people who came in through the Dark Portal to crush and destroy everything in their path, even if they have had their shamanistic reawakening. While Lord of the Clans went a long way towards making me interested in playing as an orc, Rise of the Horde went pretty far towards making me want to be a draenei.
I've been ribbed by friends and less politely accused by others who are less friendly of being blinded by my desire to play one of the 'good guys', and I'll admit to a small degree of that. I do like to play a hero. I don't want to do quests where I feel like what I'm doing is manifestly wrong: this is why I never took part in the Blightcaller questline. I see no reason for the Alliance to be invading Nathanos' home and trying to kill him, and so I never had the Gorewood Bow on any of my ally 60's before The Burning Crusade launched. My tauren had it, because I have no trouble with killing members of the Scarlet Crusade. To my eyes, it's not that I want to be a good guy so much as I want to be able, however much I realize it's just a game, to be able to justify my character's actions. They should seem plausible and even worthy to him, at the very least. This is why I can get into playing an orc or a tauren but not an undead, and my blood elf paladin is very definitely conflicted about his allegiances. (It was actually somewhat of a relief to me when Lady Liadrin made the pact with A'dal in lore, because now Vorpal can think of himself as a champion of his people and not a thief of power he doesn't deserve.) Sure, it's role playing, and it's a minor thing, I don't spend a lot of time worrying about it, but it does matter and it does enhance my gameplay. As a tauren warrior, I was mad when I ended up poisoning one of my own people because a forsaken apothecary lied to me, and worse, there was nothing I could do about it. I couldn't rip his bony head off and punt it down the streets of Undercity for the affront. (I imagine tauren anger to be much like an avalanche, once it gets going not much stands in its way.)
There's certainly heroism to be found on both factions... the Orcish struggle to reclaim their past honor in the face of their fall to the demonic bloodlust, the tauren attempting to help their allies while retaining their own culture, strained as it is by centaur incursions and their new settled way of life, the darkspear trolls attempt to turn away from human sacrifice and cannibalism, even the Forsaken can have a rough nobility about them. I still kind of hate blood elves, though. Every time I play my BE pally I feel dirty.
A lot of my friends feel just the opposite. Some of them just cannot stand to play Alliance. For some it's the usual stereotypes about alliance players, for some it's a hatred born from PvP experiences (strangely enough, whenever I'm in a battleground I tend to hate whoever the other side is) and for some the ally side quests lack the same dynamism. Some people find human zone quests (like the Defias/Stormwind ones) depressing in their banality and I had one friend who rerolled horde because he didn't like how Magni Bronzebeard's daughter ended up.
When Daniel mentioned his hope for an end to neutral factions and a heating up of the conflict between alliance and horde in the expansion, I realized then that despite my Horde characters and my friends Horde side, I'd forever fall on the alliance side of that factional divide. As an organization, I just don't like the horde. It's got two peoples I like, one I feel indifferent to, and two I really dislike. The Alliance has no one I dislike: I even think gnomes are pretty awesome and that seems to be the race most people who dislike the alliance hate the most. (Night Elves being #2, and frankly, of your elven PC choices they're far and away better in my mind.) Plus they have Draenei, and I'm still holding out hope to get to play Broken.
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Reader Comments (Page 5 of 10)
twh Jul 15th 2008 3:28PM
Just replace everything you say with something alliance related and you'll pretty much describe my experience.
I will never play a Horde toon again.
Ever.
Tuhljin Jul 15th 2008 6:39PM
The disturbing thing is that there are a lot of people that apparently have no shame admitting they lean toward "evil" in some respect IRL (though often using a different term). Something is wrong here. I blame hippies.
katsuyakaiba Jul 15th 2008 3:06PM
I rolled Alliance simply because my boyfriend rolled a Nelf. Since then, apon learning the lore, I wish I rolled Horde. I like Thrall as a leader and admire him greatly so I'd rather be under his command than the boy in Stormwind.
BloodyClownSuit Jul 15th 2008 3:13PM
"and it's clearly established in books such as Rise of the Horde that the draenei were nothing but good neighbors, if a touch aloof, for generations before the orcs turned on them"
This bothers me a little. Wasn't the orc leader ner'zuhl was manipulated by kil'jaeden to turn on the dranei? or am I just getting my information wrong.
BloodyClownSuit Jul 15th 2008 3:14PM
omit the "was", wrote the comment differently then decided to reword it
twh Jul 15th 2008 3:20PM
Yes, but it still stands that the Draenei did nothing to the orcs and yet, the orcs still drove them to the brink of extinction because they were too stupid to know the difference between the spirits of their ancestors and world destroying demons.
Doffencrag Jul 15th 2008 3:46PM
"because they were too stupid to know the difference between the spirits of their ancestors and world destroying demons"
Except that they weren't really interacting with world destroying demons... what would they know?
They were following Kil'jaeden, who was a charismatic leader. (Human) History is rife with examples of people who did evil following charismatic leaders (see: KKK, Nazis). Doesn't make what they did right, but I don't think that makes them all stupid?
Frank Jul 15th 2008 8:54PM
And the humans in Stormwind are too moronic to realize that one of them is A DRAGON.
Palladiamorsdeus Jul 15th 2008 3:07PM
Radio, whats your deal? So he prefers one faction over the other. Other writers have the same bias, they just aren't open with it. Personally I think its better to admit something like that, then to make hidden little snipes at the other faction. Get over it.
Now, on to the hypocrisy! Can't recall who, but some one mentioned that several quests for the alliance where hypocritical, and went on to imply that that made the alliance as a whole hypocritical. Since when do the actions of one quest giver dictate the overall attitude of a faction? Now, if that quest giver were, say, High Lord Bolvar or Lady Jaina, that might be different. But it ain't. It's a couple of less then desirables asking you to often do less then desireable things. It was pointed out that the dwarves were trying to eliminate the taurne preventing them from excavating. Alright, what about all the horde quests to elimate the quilboar or whatever they are called? The race who was there long before the orc and probably even before the tauren? Neither are directly evil. Just.... borderline. The horde has straight out evil quests. I have seventies on both sides, and I have to say I stopped playing my troll shaman several times while leveling him because quests turned my stomach.
Blood elves? Not evil? Do you.... do you even pay attention to Silvermoon? They are getting better now, later in storyline/levels, but base line Silvermoon is a bunch of corrupt elves who care only about themselves and their need for power, and they don't care who they have to hurt to get it. This is obviously remedied later, but early on, wow. Even their emotes come off as very conceited and self centered. They are highly impressed with themselves. Personally, its less about the blood elves, more about how BLizzard went with their design. Considering their plight, I could still see them being downcast, but determined to do what was needed. But not that outright arrogance. Ugh.
I play predominately alliance, and do prefer them, but I think most races have something to offer some one. Having a real reason to hate a race ((Undead, for being borderline evil and having that be okay even though they have tried to escape from that, supposedly)) is one thing, but hating a race because they are three feet and cute? Heh. Though I do have to admit that gnome mails creep me out....
Fedwinmorr Jul 15th 2008 3:09PM
I started on a horde server, and played for a bit, got several characters up to mid thirties, then switched to Alliance and now have a couple 70s and many lower levels. I have friends that swear by both, and have played on both PvE and PvP servers.
In the end I enjoy the alliance more... the reasons for this may be the paladin (back when it was alliance only) availability, or the fact that I have always been partial to dwarves (who doesn't love short hairy drunk men!). But for whatever reason I have always loved the alliance in my 3.5 years of play.
Debrazil Jul 15th 2008 3:10PM
@ Radiophonic: So since this is a complete article about one writer's faction perference, it's faction bias is wrong... but Schramm, Whitcomb, Yonzon and every other blogger can sneak their anti-Alliance comments into a post on any other topic and it's ok?
Id rather have the site free of bias too, but this is no worse than their plethora of pro-Horde editorials. You sir are the [WoW Insider Commenter of Failure].
Zael Jul 15th 2008 3:20PM
A funny and interesting thing happens to me that is very similar,I like the horde more.
The hordes races,quest,lore,style ,everything about them seems IMO better done,more insteresting and more original.
Orcs are by far my favorite race(Thrall is my hero) BUT
I am alliance.
I played for a long time on alliance,then for a long time on horde and in the end I just come back to the alliance even though I like the horde more, I "feel" better in the alliance.
On the horde I feel like I dont belong there,like a little white boy in the ghetto lol.
So after playing for a looong time on alliance and then horde Ive come back just a few days ago to the alliance.
brodar Jul 15th 2008 3:20PM
After warcraft 3 and the frozen throne I had a lot of hatred for the alliance, from the Racist humans, to the loveless Night Elves who turn on their family.
Basically entering WoW I saw the horde as the good guys who come from a dark past, and the alliance as the guys who got so obsessed with doing what's "right" that they end doing wrong.
But that's just from the lore side, when it comes to leveling: by god if I never see the barrens again it will be too soon. The lush forests of the alliance are hard to not love. :)
here is a thought Jul 15th 2008 3:54PM
you make an interesting point. i can not think of anyone i know that played all the original warcraft games and sees the alliance as the "good" guys.
Xonate Jul 16th 2008 11:09AM
I've played and own every WarCraft game. Ever. If anything, that makes me feel so much stronger that the Alliance is the "good guy" faction, considering all the history.
In every game up until WoW, the Alliance is made up almost entirely of very noble and generally good-hearted people. The only real exceptions were Lord Perenolde of Alterac in the second war, who was more of a coward then evil, and Grand Marshall Garithos in WarCraft 3, who turned out to be mind-controlled by the Forsaken. Of course, now in WoW, we have several shady and questionable figures in the Alliance, but that's because we see them on a much more personal level. Does that make them evil as a whole? Not at all.
brodar Jul 16th 2008 11:28AM
I'll agree with you that the alliance are pretty noble through most of the series, but come warcraft 3, we see Arthas turn on his own people and destroy Stratholme, mind you, you are playing as the alliance during that campaign, not the undead. In the Frozen throne it goes even further to take away their "nobility," especially in their treatment of the Blood Elves after the destruction of Quel'Thalas. That's the main reason the blood elves joined the horde.
twh Jul 15th 2008 3:31PM
Just to elaborate, the Alliance are not out to kill the Horde. Drive them out of lands that the Horde are trying to take by force, yes, but exterminate, never.
The NElves want the orcs, that are stealing their lumber, out of their lands.
The League of Arathor wants to rebuild Arathi, while the defilers are stealing the resouces.
Stormpike and the Frostwolves can both rot in hell for all I care.
The Draenei are actively fighting the Legion more than any other race. You don't see that among the Horde races.
here is a thought Jul 15th 2008 4:15PM
http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/info/story/troll/history.html
"The night elves systematically dismantled the trolls' defenses and supply chains. Unable to counter the elves' destructive magics, the trolls buckled under the onslaught. The territories of the Gurubashi and Amani empires fragmented within only a few years, and the night elves' shockingly quick victory incurred the trolls' eternal hatred."
"Finally the weary elves reached a forested region that reminded them of their distant homeland in Kalimdor. Driving out the resident trolls, the high elves established the kingdom of Quel'Thalas."
"the Alliance ultimately won the Second War ... most of the vanquished orcs on Azeroth were rounded up and placed in internment camps."
and you call yourselves the "good" guys?
Weavlux Jul 15th 2008 4:43PM
Actually the League of Arathor is just getting resources for their benefactors in Stormwind.
Anyway, I roll Horde. I have an Undead Rogue, Belf Pally and I'll have an Orc Deathknight when WotLK comes out. Personally the tragic stories of the Horde are far more appealing. Everything on the Alliance (well humans, dwarves and gnomes) is over patriotic, imperialistic and boring.
Badger Jul 15th 2008 4:41PM
Not entirely accurate, TWH. Here's why.
"The NElves want the orcs, that are stealing their lumber, out of their lands."
The Night Elves do not want or need lumber. The Orcs need it because they can not grow enchanted trees or call on their glowing ancestor-sphere-things (i.e. Wisps) to actually, physically, form buildings from nothing. The Night Elves are retaliating against the Orcs simply because they love the forest - literally, they are "Tree Huggers" in the most extreme sense.
It would also be wise to point out that the Night Elves struck the first blow when the Orcs came to Ashenvale and started harvesting lumber in the first place. They could have warned the Orcs, and then it would have been Hellscream's fault if he'd ignored their warning and continued to steal lumber, but they didn't even try for diplomacy. In their arrogance and presumptuousness, they started murdering Orcs simply because they "desecrated" their "sacred" trees.
"The League of Arathor wants to rebuild Arathi, while the defilers are stealing the resouces."
I'm tempted to point out that the Defilers really need those resources for their own survival, but ... well, for God's sake, they call themselves "DEFILERS." They *are* stealing resources *and* poisoning the land. INTENTIONALLY. So I agree with you on this one.
"Stormpike and the Frostwolves can both rot in hell for all I care."
I can sympathize, except that Alterac Valley was the Frostwolves' home for at least two to three generations, because they were some of the only Orcs who had the balls to stand up and say, "Guys. Demons? Bad. Freedom? Good. We'll be over there, waiting for you to stop screwing around."
The Dwarves, well ... Somebody said they found "evidence of their ancestry" or something like that, but I'll be damned if I can find any proof of that. I think all they wanted was the mine the place dry.
"The Draenei are actively fighting the Legion more than any other race. You don't see that among the Horde races."
The Undead love using Demons the fight Demons, so I can see what you mean there. Tauren and Trolls, well, they have never really see what all the fuss was about, because Demons didn't affect them in quite the same way that they affected the Old Horde (i.e. Orcs).
But in the present day: Orcs ... *HATE* ... the Legion. They've set up front-line bases in Hellfire Peninsula to take the fight directly to the Legion's armies. They hate them so much they were willing to try and cut out the Warsong Clan - under Hellscream's misguided leadership - before it could infest the rest of the New Horde like a cancer. A handful of conniving Warlocks do not completely disqualify the Orcs due to any "evil" nature, in the same way that a handful of conniving Warlocks do not make Humans and Gnomes - both of whom are stalwart allies of the Draenei - "evil."