Addon Spotlight: TourGuide (UPDATED)
Amid the madness of yesterday's patch, there has been some desperate drama happening in the official UI & Macros Forums. It seems the massively popular leveling addon QuestHelper has encountered some troubles, with many users not able to use their beloved quest... helper. As with many crossroads in life, this presents an opportunity to consider a change, or at least a reason to try something else out while the developer of QuestHelper figures out the disconnect. Some time ago, I stopped using the memory-hogging giant in favor of one of Tekkub's creations. TourGuide may very well be Tekkub's greatest mod to date. It serves much the same function as QuestHelper, but it takes a different approach, one that doesn't eat up nearly as much memory. To me, it was sort of like selling my huge truck for a fast, agile Subaru. (Which I did in RL, yay!)
I've been promising to profile this bad boy for a couple of months now, as I've yet to finish my own work on it, but I felt like you all needed an alternative. Besides, you may end up swearing by TourGuide like I do, it was more my style. (I've been working on a guide for TourGuide, but my day job has been bogging me down.)
TourGuide is more akin to a traditional leveling guide than the so-called smart system of QuestHelper. With the "helper", I felt like I wasn't doing quests in the right order, at the right level and that I was missing out on some great quest chains.Basically, what TourGuide is doing for you, is stepping you through a leveling guide, along the lines of the much-loved guides of Jame or Joanna. Like the traditional leveling guides, TourGuide offers tidbits of advice and shows tips when you hover your mouse over the on-screen element. Tekkub does a pretty good job describing his addon:
"TourGuide is an interactive leveling guide addon. It is designed to provide the user with a streamlined order of quest completion with smart detection. It is also designed for easy creation of "guides" for users with little-to-no programming knowledge."
There are a number of built-in features that facilitate quick and easy leveling, here's a list!
- Automatic detection of objective completion
- Detect quest accept, completion and turnin
- Detect travel (by foot, flight, boat and stone)
- Detection of flight point discovery
- Detection of Hearth point change
- Conditionals based on class, level and item possession (only tell the player to accept the quest if they have the item that starts the quest)
- Small "lego block" style frame shows current objective, detailed tooltips on hover
- "Use item" frame, for those annoying quests where you have to use an item on a mob before you kill it, or you have to equip something, or you have to use an item to start a quest
- Pop out frame for detailed view of quest sequence
- OptionHouse-based guide config panels
- Automatic mapping of coordinates with TomTom or Cartographer
Thus far, there are a number of guides available for players, covering the 1-70 grind, plus some dailies. TourGuide also supports user-created guides, adding a huge bonus to players like myself who have a certain way of doing things and would like to have a more personal touch with the guides. (After leveling a few toons, you typically establish a certain way of doing things.) Tekkub has provided a page of instructions on how to edit TourGuide guides for those of you wanting to customize your own guide, or make changes to an existing one.
The memory footprint of TourGuide, even when partnered with TomTom, is significantly less exhausting than QuestHelper. So, if you're a current QuestHelper user and have found yourself up the creek with no proverbial paddle, TourGuide is your solution. If you're new to this type of addon, check out the TourGuide / TomTom duo, I'd bet you'll be pleasantly surprised. If your QuestHelper is functioning, try this out regardless; you never know when something might just make more sense to you.
That was it for me, TourGuide just worked for my playstyle. I use it, therefore it has my stamp of approval, for what its worth. Dismissed!
Tekkub just reminded me an important feature! If you are using Lightheaded, which I would personally advise, TourGuide will query Lightheaded for quest accept and turn-in locations. Together TourGuide, Lightheaded (with Doubewide) and TomTom form the Holy Trinity of Leveling. As many commentors have mentioned, this is really intended for players working on a second (or beyond) level 70 character. If you're working on your first toon (or one starting on the opposing faction) I would highy recommend that you read the quests, enjoy the lore and savor your experiences. Good luck with your alts!
Filed under: Analysis / Opinion, Tips, Add-Ons, Features, AddOn Spotlight, Leveling
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Reader Comments (Page 2 of 3)
Eternalpayn Jul 16th 2008 3:48PM
I prefer to use Lightheaded, just because that way I'm still choosing what quests to do based on what I feel like, no efficiency. This seems nice if I wanted to get through leveling with as little playtime as possible, though.
Asa Jul 16th 2008 3:49PM
I prefer Carbonite over QH, mostly because of the nice mini-map it provides (It also didn't break this week). However, this does seem pretty cool and I'll probably give it a try with my alt.
Jason L Perry Jul 16th 2008 4:01PM
I use both QuestHelper and TourGuide (with LightHeaded and TomTom), I keep the auto-pathing turned off in QH, but I like to see the objectives scattered across the map.
With these 4 addons, your questing will be God-like.
Mark Jul 16th 2008 4:32PM
QuestHelper was /so/ broken - comment out line 150 of recycle.lua by placing -- at the beginning of that line, save the file, then (without ever exiting WoW) do a /console reloadui. QuestHelper started working again.
This took under two minutes total and was found by going to curse.com and looking at the first page of comments for the QuestHelper addon.
B.D. Martinez Jul 16th 2008 5:02PM
What happened to quest helper? I have not been on to update to the new patch yet. Just got back from Vacation. Anyway what happened to quest helper?????????
bitssy Jul 16th 2008 5:21PM
My son turned me on to wowinsider, and I thank him every day. Without your website, it would be harder to keep up with everything that is going on in the game. You keep up up to date on what is coming, as well as what has gone before. I really enjoy your addon column, each one you preview I check and see what it's all about. I had never heard of TomTom or Tour Guide, although I do have cartographer and a host of other really cool addons. Already having multiple level 70 toons, now I am working on alts and the mindless repetition sometimes gets on my nerves....it doesnt matter what faction either. After the first two times going through the numerous quest lines for each faction, zone or whatever; any extra help one gets from an addon only makes it easer and more enjoyable to level yet another toon to 70. I just love your whole site and visit it each and every morning before going to work--gives me something to ponder while my machines are doing their mindless cutting and spitting out of parts. Thanks, and keep up the good work.
mrluohua Jul 16th 2008 5:36PM
So, I have the same desire as someone else pointed out ... when I hit 'm' for map, all I want is to see my world map with little quest objective icons on the map, and when I mouse over it, it would say "for quest ABC kill monster XYZ".
Now, questhelper does this, but it does so much more. It gives me mouse trails (which I turn off) ... it calculates where I should, in what order I should go, etc. And, it also hard crashes wow on one of my 70s, unable to allocate memory. Disabling QH for that toon is the only way I can log in on that toon.
The point being is that QH is doing so much more than I need or want. I don't want to waste cpu on calculating pathing, just let me decide what to do; show me all the locations of quest objectives.
I went to the addon page for TomTom and TourGuide and LightHeaded and none of them show any screenshots of modifying the world map, just the minimap, the quest log, etc. I don't want to set my own waypoints via commandline, and if I want to lookup wowhead comments, I'm ok with surfing there. Don't get me wrong, I'm sure they are cool mods, but my base need is "just show me the objectives on world map"
Does anyone know if any of these mods mentioned here (or any other mods) provide that functionality? Just showing me the objectives of all my quests on the world map?
Isambaard Jul 17th 2008 4:16PM
Cartographer with the quest objectives module will. You'll also need one of the datafiles for it, I think, to have it pre-populate all the different stuff.
MobMap is another option and is useful beyond just questing if you need to farm something and want to compare droprates in game and then once you pick a mob to farm from have it plot their location on the world map.
MauroDiogo Jul 16th 2008 5:36PM
Is there any way of loading a guide that isnt in the list (The ones in the list go from level 1 till 38 which is the dustwallow marsh guide) without having to check every single quest in every single guide? Because I have a warlock ready to start the Outland quests and I cant load the outland guides. Peraphs add a scrolling bar on the side so the players can jump to the guide they want? :)
MauroDiogo Jul 16th 2008 5:46PM
Nevermind. Just tried using the Mouse Scrolling Wheel and it worked! :P
rwhiteruff Jul 16th 2008 5:36PM
Okay umm, where are all the data files / already-made guides for TourGuide? I've been poking around the internet and can't seem to find any.
In particular I'm looking for procedural copies of Brian Kopp's guide (which I own), as I'm sure someone somewhere must have created one. The actual note text may be copyrighted but the procedure instructions can't be.
Anyone got links?
Apadwe Jul 16th 2008 5:56PM
Wow! I've heard of this addon before but never really knew that it could do all that!
Great work with it Tekkub!
Krick Jul 16th 2008 6:27PM
Everyone always seems to use Lightheaded with Doubewide, but I find that the wowace addon, bEQL far superior to Doublewide. It's a re-write of the classic Extended Quest Log mod.
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Krick
http://www.tankadin.com/forum/
Lowne Jul 16th 2008 6:44PM
Would love to try this addon if any of the downloaded .zip files contained a file that didn't give me "Error while reading the End Of Central Directory"
Tekkub Jul 16th 2008 7:17PM
Works fine for me in 7zip, WinRAR and Windows' built in zip reader...
Lowne Jul 16th 2008 8:20PM
Aye ignore me Tek, I had an out dated version of Filzip. Downloaded the new version and it worked just fine.
Sorry for the false alarm/user error on my part.
Jeremy Jul 16th 2008 7:28PM
@here is a thought:
"also, and i doubt it does this, but i would LOVE an addon that lets you know what quests others in your party are on. sure, you might all have to be running the addon (an acceptable price), but that information would be so very valuable. instead of constantly asking "can you link them again" (and even THAT no longer works since yesterday)"
JasonQuest is great for this.
Nic Lake Jul 16th 2008 7:54PM
For all you people that are still hooked on QuestHelper... here's a fix.
Here is temporary solution to new patch. Just comment out line 150 in \Interface\AddOns\QuestHelper\recycle.lua. Add -- in front of it. Line should look like this:
-- text:SetParent(nil)
Do same thing with line 228 in recycle.lua and line 330 in menu.lua
Then reload UI or log off/on or restart the game.
Menus still won't work, but basic routing and slash commands seems to be working.
I tried this fix, and it works fine.
Gyft Jul 16th 2008 9:01PM
I've been a big fan of QH as I'm on to my 5th lvl 70 now, however I'd like to give Tour Guide a go as I agree with some of the comments where QH prompts you to go do a quest much higher than you when I know there are lower quests available that would involve less dying! Its also nice that the developer is here answering any questions we might have.
Isambaard Jul 17th 2008 4:18PM
Try doing /questhelper or /qh and looking at the options to tell it to only show quests based on your level, this cuts out a lot of pain.