Breakfast Topic: Why is this hard?

Instead, I've just recently managed to get my draenei hunter, who I created back when TBC launched, to level twenty eight. In the time since I've created this character I leveled my original warrior to 70, created a new draenei warrior and leveled him to 70, and leveled a draenei shaman to 70, plus went back and leveled two horde (warrior and shaman) to 70 and created a BE paladin and got him to 65. I leveled a paladin to 65 faster than I could level a hunter to 28! What is this, bizarro world? My orc and night elf warriors both hit 70 and I created them more or less as alts to play with RL friends on different servers, which means they get played once a month at most, and yet, here is my hunter, a year into the expansion (over a year, in fact) and I am just now heading into the 30's. And to be honest the only reason I even cared enough to level him this much was because I wanted to get him a mount.
I guess part of it might be a fundamental disconnect with the ethos of the class: my warlock is in even poorer shape, I literally cannot force myself to log him on. It's physically painful for me to play a class that consists of sending in the pet and doing damage from behind it. I find myself standing and meleeing on my hunter, to the point where my wife has threatened to take him away from me if I don't start learning how to kite. Since she's one of our raiding hunters I think it's also painful for her to watch me play the class so poorly.
I've recently started at least dropping traps when I see a mob break away from my pet and charge me, and I've been practicing my jump shot and how to use concussive shot to keep mobs from running up to say hello, but half the time I still forget and start swinging my two hander as soon as they get in range. It might be that 90% of my other characters are melee oriented, or it might be that I have some kind of odd brain damage that doesn't let me remember what 'ranged DPS' means, I don't know, but I find leveling the hunter to be just slightly less painful than eating a broken beer bottle burrito. I spend more time gathering ore and learning new cooking recipes because I find the actual gameplay so antithetical to my nature.
So we move on to the topic of discussion: what class did you expect to easily master and didn't? Or are you a jack of all trades and can effortlessly move from class to class, even ones with wildly varying differences in playstyle? And if so, how? How?
Filed under: Hunter, Paladin, Warlock, Warrior, Analysis / Opinion, Breakfast Topics, The Burning Crusade
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Reader Comments (Page 3 of 7)
Kikr Jul 17th 2008 8:12AM
For me.. this would be the Mage class.. something about being so squishy isn't right...(plays Warrior, Paladin, and Druid)
Fireflash38 Jul 17th 2008 8:35AM
My First char to 70 was a mage, and I don't really consider him squishy at all. As a matter of fact, when the shit hits the fan, out of all my characters, he is the one that is the most likely to survive. Also, the ability to solo almost every single 2-3 man group quest up to 70 certainly does not hurt.
My other characters are: 70 Rogue (vanish is broken, so that is not at all reliable as escape skill), 20ish Shaman, 29 Twink Warrior, 25ish Spriest.
I do like the challenge from swapping between squishy ranged and squishy melee in arenas. I plan on getting this shaman to 70 and going resto in arenas.
Balius Jul 17th 2008 8:16AM
Hunters are easy...as a first class. When you have new places, new enemies, new quests, new lore, gathering professions, etc, leveling a hunter is great. You're being distracted from the fact that all you HAVE to do to level as a hunter is autoshoot the target of your pet.
The problem with a stress free class with high survivability, high DPS, and no reason to get fancy is that it's terminally boring. You have to actually make trouble for yourself to get any sense of involvement during leveling.
Before I get flamed, I understand that there's a lot more hunters can do as part of a party. Trapping and misdirect alone make a hunter nearly invaluable to grouping. But lets face it, as an alt, it's less work for everyone to just get ran through instances until the 50s. A hunter doesn't need to use any of his special skills until he's either in or on the verge of being in outlands...and that's a long way to autoshoot if you've already seen the scenery.
newellrp1 Jul 17th 2008 8:30AM
A hunter should really be your second class you play. I think you should pick another, so you can learn the game mechanics. Too many players start with a hunter as their first character, and blithely level to 70 on autopilot. My brother pretty much did that, and I frequently have to explain basic concepts of pretty much every other class to him.
Kyol Jul 17th 2008 9:28AM
Yeah, I have to agree with this - I bailed on leveling my warlock around the mid 40's for a year or so while I brought a warrior (slowly) up to 70. After I started seeing how other people played locks, I realized that they're much more effective, powerful and _fun_ if you push their boundaries. Attack 2 mobs at once, try for a third, see if you can keep your pet/minion alive when you send him into a massive scrum, etc. Sending them in and hitting autoshot _is_ dull, no denying it. Now I have a 70 lock, a mid-50's hunter, and a late 20's lock, I love minion classes maybe a little _too_ much. :)
bmiller Jul 17th 2008 9:43AM
@Kyol
I can't seem to get a lock past level 18, but I agree with you mentality. I have a 70 NElf hunter and a 47 hunter on the horde side and it is a lot more fun when you push it (e.g. taking on mobs you know are linked together).
Nizari Jul 17th 2008 1:53PM
Sounds like, if you want to level a hunter as an alt and not have it be a "watching the paint dry"-boring torture, you should never grind with your pet out.
kunukia Jul 17th 2008 8:18AM
I cannot play a warrior, never played one higher than 24, before she got deleted. I have been able to level every other class, and have 6 70's and a smattering of 50s and 60s.
I do love hunters, and have more than one 70 hunter (on more than one server and faction).
Calminaion Jul 17th 2008 10:10AM
Careful, you're going to be accused of stroking your e-peen soon.
kunukia Jul 17th 2008 3:18PM
Heh, accuse away. No credit to my ability, I just had not been working for a couple of years (until recently), due to an illness, so played a LOT.
William Jul 17th 2008 8:19AM
I'm pretty much a high-damage ranged toon person. If I can kill the mob before it gets to me, I can level that toon. If i have to spend hours wailing away at it (figuratively speaking of course) then it's just too long of a fight. I'll admit that my shaman did part of his leveling as an enhancement shaman with dual wield, however the damage output was rather high and the battles brief. It wasn't long till i decided elemental was better. My mage, shadowpriest, warlock and hunters all rarely have mobs hitting them (which i like cuz i hate paying exorbitant repair bills).
Illyena Jul 17th 2008 8:24AM
I can't level Warriors. I try, get to somewhere in the region of 10-20 and decide it's not for me.
My other toons are Rogue (70), Warlock (70) and Paladin (66).
I don't really know why I don't like warrior, I think it's the plate... but I enjoy my paladin. Although the Paladin I have leveled as a healer.
newellrp1 Jul 17th 2008 8:26AM
For me its my hunter that has languished. In a recent burst of enthusiam I leveled him to 15, but considering I created the character over 2 years ago and have since leveled a 70 mage and rogue, a 65 paladin, and 52 lock, well I just haven't made much progress. I guess partly its because the hunter is "easy mode." There's no challenge, unless you do something stupid, then you die swiftly anyway. Also its because hunters have such a bad rep, it makes it hard for me too. Additionally I feel that many hunters deserve the bad reputation, because the class is so easy to play, many players don't learn to play well.
Rodrígo Jul 17th 2008 8:35AM
I fell you there Matt...
My Hunter is parked at level 8 when I was unable to kill two mobs in a row since I don't have a pet yet. I have no idea how people play this class with ease.
Try a mage though. It's a complete different experience when you let frosty death rain from the skies over hundreds of opponents...
You in fact start to love the quests "Kill 223141 X-type mobs"
bmiller Jul 17th 2008 1:47PM
I know how you felt. I nearly deleted my hunter around that time too.
Try to sting first, then as the mob gets close, concussive shot and get distance. Or, Concussive and pelt it with arrows/bullets as it slowly comes to you.
Razr Jul 17th 2008 8:41AM
I think it all depends on how you game-style of WoW is like. Some like casting spells at range, some like to swing weapons at a bosses rear and some are huntards.
For me I love tanking. Pre-tbc I raided as my guilds MT all the way from mc to naxx. I was even offered the option to spec dps half way through bwl, which I refused. When tbc came I leveled a druid to raid as resto to, but guess what? I ended up as feral and am still feral till now.
Avior64 Jul 17th 2008 8:44AM
As somebody with 15 characters across 3 servers I'll have to admit I like my hunters the best. As for them being the easiest to play I might question that, and respond with "Easiest to START playing, but playing the class properly is an entirely different story". I too found that in my early hunter days I might get 2, or 3 shots off before a mob would come roaring in on me. I would then just melee with them until one of us was dead - instead of using the tools (aka pet) to take some of the heat off of me. I've become a hunter that regularly receives compliments on my capabilities in ping pong trapping, dual freeze trapping, and overall sustained damage, but that came with time. I can honestly say I started out as a huntard, and hopefully will progress even further since I don't think anyone is perfect when playing their favorite class - there will always be a trick, or two that can be learned.
astromoose Jul 17th 2008 8:49AM
I'm in a similar boat - started a BE Warlock and a Dren Mage, levelled them both to 21... then started a Dren warrior and have been tanking like mad since. It's so much more fun! :)
j0del Jul 17th 2008 8:50AM
Honestly, I think hunters are really fun to play. I have no desire to play a mage and although warlocks seem kind of fun, I don't think I'd actually level one since I think they are WAY OP in pvp if played correctly and they just irritate the piss out of me. My main is a rogue and I constantly find myself cursing all three warlocks in WSG that put every DoT they could on me as I try to escape and die. I have a dwarf hunter that I leveled to 16, but for some reason I can't seem to roll alliance no matter how hard I try. I don't know what it is. I recently started a BE hunter, which I really enjoy, but I've only gotten her to 17 so far since in the middle of trying to level her, my rogue got to 58, so OUTLAND HERE I CAME. And she's been on the shelf and probably will be for a while so I can get my main to 70 and max out all my professions and until then, she will probably not be played. So, I feel where you're coming from, just in a different context.
Asara Jul 17th 2008 8:52AM
Well.. obviously you like melee classes, so why not make your hunter a melee-ish hunter, if that's how you like to play? Yes, I know it's not how you're "supposed" to play a hunter, but who cares? If you're having fun playing that way, then play that way.
My main is a raiding hunter, and I cringe at the idea myself, but the bottom line is that the game should be fun, so have fun however you want!