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7-17-2008 @ 5:03PM
How is a Tank's time more valuable than the Hunter's? If he wants to use it for PvP, which is 2/3 of the game now that it includes Arena, less valuable than PvE?Also, when a Hunter dodges, they get retaliation Procs and any Melee DPS worth their salt will mix it up and get close to the Hunter, so the proc is likely.Why some ppl think that PUG tanks get priority, is ridiculous. It's not my fault you ran it a dozen times before; if it's a useful item and I put in the same amount of time in effort in that run, then I get a /roll.Thank God we're all getting Death Knights so we don't have to listen to their incessant whining.
7-17-2008 @ 9:52PM
"Also, when a Hunter dodges, they get retaliation Procs"I tried to figure out what you mean by this (honestly curious)? If you're thinking of http://www.wowwiki.com/Counterattack it does NOT proc from dodges.I think it's a mediocre hunter PvP trinket, and I don't have a hunter so I can't be sure, but most good PvP-ing hunters seem to use:* The PvP break crown control trinket* An 'Offensive' trinket, like the battlemasters trinket, the Jewelcrafting panther, Darkmoon Card Wrath, Abacus of Violent Odds, Bloodlust Brooch, or a better PvE one from raiding.Additionally there are some other 'defensive' trinkets which could be regarded as better because they have resilience, like Talisman of the Alliance, Timelapse Shard, and even Runed Fungalcap.Obviously 57 Stamina is not terrible for -any- class in PvP, but if an item like the 2nd best trinket in the game for one job (PvE Tanking) and it's like the 20th best item for another job (PvP Huntering) I think it's pretty rude to take it.It's unfair to the people you play with to cheat people out of stuff because you're ignorant of what is actually good for you.
7-18-2008 @ 3:36AM
The skill is Mongoose Bite. I'll take it in good faith that you were honestly curious and not turn it into a personal attack.The bottom line is, if I spend an hour of my time and he spends an hour of his time, it doesn't matter who wants it. It's an hour of OUR time.Neither person can finish the instance without the other. Therfore, both are eligible. If you want the tanking trinket, go find four pushovers who are willing to let you "Voluntarily Ninja" the item. It has legitimate purpose.Why? Because I'm not your imp. I'm not your Voidwalker. I do not go where you point and click me and I can roll on (within reason..and this is within reason because of the talent) the item I want.
8-14-2008 @ 11:34PM
It's not about whose time is more valuable. It's about being nice to your fellow players instead of selfish. The Tank can use this trinket in nearly every fight he tanks including the rest of your Magisters' run. The Hunter will only use in PvP a couple times maybe until he gets some PvP gear. It's best for everyone if we're all not selfish.This item is really really good for tanking. Stamina is vital for tanking. The proc is brilliant because you're likely to get attacked from the front where you can dodge while tanking. It's Average at best in Hunter PvP - the proc doesn't work against Magic damage, doesn't work from behind, doesn't worked while stunned or feared.It's like a Hunter rolling on a 2Hand Melee weapon when a Paladin or Warrior wants it, or a Rogue Rolling on a Bow when a hunter wants it. A healer might use a spell dmg weapon when soloing, but a warlock will use it in PvP/Raiding/Soloing - I think it's common courtesy to let him have it.A warrior tank might not have anything better than "Tunic of the Ranger Lord" for DPSing - but wouldn't it be best for both of them if the Hunter passed on the "Commendation of Kael'thas" and the warrior passed on the Tunic then kept running until he got "Netherforce Chestplate".
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