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8-07-2008 @ 1:48AM
My main is a hunter, so I think I can speak with confidence knowing my credentials are in order when I say that if someone has worked harder or is higher on whatever point system the raid/guild uses, then s/he gets first dibbs on loot, end of story. Admittedly I would be pretty pissed if I was one of the hunters Analogkid beat out but I would understand all the same. If he can use it and it's an upgrade for him then he has just as much right to roll on it as the hunters do.
8-07-2008 @ 1:50AM
No.No he doesn't.When rogues have the ability to continuously fire without actually pressing a button, then they get to have the best ranged weapon in the game. Until that day, it is a hunter weapon and this rogue is a complete douchebag.
8-07-2008 @ 2:01AM
Yes, yes he does.When the Hunters show the level of dedication required to stick out a raid guild just entering the 25 man content all the way to defeating the hardest boss in the game without /gquiting or causing drama over loot drops previously, then the person for whom it is the biggest upgrade deserves to get the upgrade.Now, admittedly, for the amount of DPS its going to put out on a Rogue, most guilds would hand it over to one of the hunters and be done with it. But the big thing that has to be considered is that with the rather high drop rate compared to other Kil'jaeden drops, staying with the guild like Analogkid did will have just as many rewards as handing a loyal guildy who has put out the extra effort to be exceptional when others decide to remain nearly satisfactory.Analogkid and the Vicarious guild, I salute you on your take down of one of the hardest bosses in the game and will respect your looting decisions as a show of loyalty to your friends. Keep up the good work and show the rest of the Warcraft world that it isn't just the phat loots that matter, its the player behind the keyboard.
8-07-2008 @ 2:36AM
Ancro, that rogue did not deserve it as much as the hunters did, despite your rationalizations. I know cronyism happens, and that the raid leader has the power to be a jerk, but implying it was a better upgrade for the rogue just shows you don't understand.Hunters not only have to continuously buy the best ammo and they have to buy the best quiver/ammo bag they can get. This bow would have essentially helped them not only improve their personal dps (and, as a result, raid dps) but also earned them an extra bag slot—something rogues take for granted, since they don't really "need" a quiver and they don't really need to buy any really good ammo.They saw orange, and they thought it would be fun to give it to a friend rather than to those who not only deserved it because of who they were but because of what they just did: helped them get the drop in the first place.Maybe they should give druid leather to Analogkid, too. I mean, really... since he's sooooooo deserving of any good drops.
8-07-2008 @ 2:39AM
Ancro,Perhaps it is me, but I always thought that raiders put the raid above all else, including friendship. This raid put that friendship above all else, including their own success. Also, I think it's rather low of you to accuse these hunters of past crimes that I have seen nothing in this thread, verified or unverified, that said these two hunters have done anything but be rightfully upset that the best ranged weapon in the game went to a class that uses bows as an afterthought instead of as DPS. You really think this rogue will sit in the back with those hunters on the future runs and simply click the fire button over and over? I doubt it.
8-07-2008 @ 3:16AM
You talk and talk and talk as if the hunter just showed up one day and was invited to raid with them on the spot; like he didn't have to work his ass off to get geared and skilled enough to be invited. There will always be people in this guild who have invested more time in the guild itself then this hunter has. So, this sets a precedent that the hunter (and anyone else lower on the pole) can now expect to never receive any drops that are best suited for him, and, in the end, best suited for the guild overall.It was a bad decision, strategically. They let seniority decide loot distribution? I'm surprised this guild is still standing. This is e-peen for the rogue, nothing more.
8-07-2008 @ 7:30AM
how do you people "know" those two hunters "deserved" the bow? are you all in the guild? were you there for all of their raids? do you know the two hunters personally and know the most intimate details on their relationship with the guild?or are you using the "duhhh.. ranged weapun go hunter! lulz!" theory? if the raid leader had reason to think that they did not deserve the bow.. then they did not deserve it. end of story, and no amount of bellyaching on your guy's part will change that. nor do you have any moral ground to tell another raid leader how to distribute loot.
8-07-2008 @ 11:08PM
Actually, he didn't roll on it.. he got it outright.
8-07-2008 @ 11:18AM
Its not a matter of dibs, its a matter of helping your overall guild DPS, you have to be really selfish to take this when a hunter needs its.
8-07-2008 @ 12:37PM
So are you guys saying that Hunters should always get last priority on daggers when a rogue is present or 2 handed weapons when an arms warrior is there? If I've been raiding ZA with a guild for months and the Ancient Amani Longbow drops off Zuljin, should it go to another hunter who just joined because I have the Sunfury and he only has the Wolfslayer? Hunters have been snatching up weapons that they never actualy USE for ages now, simply because the raw stats are better. If they can do it with melee weapons, why is it a qq fest when a melee class does it with a ranged weapon?Besides giving it to someone simply because it's a better upgrade will almost always be unfair because it means that regardless of how much effort you put into something if someone is 'a more deserving class' or 'will get more out of it' then you'll just have to keep waiting until everyone one of them gets it.
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