Hybrid Theory: State of PvP in the Wrath beta

Before I start, while you read this remember that the Wrath beta does not currently allow you to hit the level cap. Everyone is level 77, and there's a lot that is unfinished. This is more anecdotal about the state of things, and not really analyzing how things will look in the end. You still with me? Good.
I decided to try out incredibly, insanely buggy Lake Wintergrasp when the beta realms went up yesterday, and later on I gave the new Battleground a whirl, too. Through all of this, there was one constant: Holy crap Ret Paladins are OP. No, really. I know, it blew my mind, too. Retribution Paladins. Overpowered. Hell has frozen over.
I fully expect Ret Paladins to get retuned, because their current state in the beta sets them way, way above every other class in power level (Vegeta!?). It's not even that Arms Warrior kind of overpowered where Mortal Strike makes you cry delicious salty-sweet tears. It's that kind of overpowered where the guy wades into an entire Horde offensive, pops Divine Shield, and before a Priest can Mass Dispel it there's four dead Horde. And then the Paladin hits the priest with Crusader Strike, a melee swing, and abuses the Judgement of Justice bug to judge them for a 5,000 crit and force a Command proc for another 3,000 damage. All you can do is lay there repeating the word "what" out loud over and over.
The only other class rocking face as much as Ret Paladins is Mages. Let me tell ya, the new version of Living Bomb? That just ain't right.
Really, though, it seems like all of the Hybrids are really holding their own, with Ret Paladins at the front of the pack by far. All of this could turn on its head throughout the duration of beta with class changes and things of that sort, so who knows. Also, nobody is level 80 yet, and most people are wearing either now-outdated Outland epics (rating scaling has murdered my Sunwell gear, my 150 Spell Haste does almost nothing at all at 77) or Northrend greens.
Even the people in Season 3/Season 4 are getting destroyed, because level 70 gear just does not hold up against spells tuned for 80. The mix of S2 and S3 that I wore into the Battleground was little more than paper to Ret Paladins.
As far as which classes and specs are actually dominating beyond those two, it's really hard to tell. Warlocks are doing great, as usual. As far as Hybrids, I've seen a lot of Feral Druids and Elemental Shaman really holding their own, but the Mage/Retadin combo crushes their face all the same and makes it hard to gauge. I noticed Elemental Shaman playing guard-the-siege-tank quite a bit, using Thunderstorm to knock melee away from the tank. Feral Druids are doing the whole stunlock-a-clothie-from-100-to-0 thing, but it feels like they're fresh meat after that. This is only from watching others in the BG though, there's a chance those Druids were just terrible players. Which, perhaps, makes that full healthbar stunlock even scarier. Nobody really has resilience though, so maybe it doesn't mean much at all.
Feral Druids do seem to have a lot more survival and mobility abiliites than they used to via talents and spells, but I didn't really notice those come into play. It's very possible they weren't being used to the best of their ability, or lend themselves better to an arena setting where every move counts and combat is more of an organized chaos, rather than normal chaotic chaos.
I think PvP will be easier to test and gauge when the level cap is 80 and we can all get a bit of gear. Personally, I think Blizzard should hand out a set of basic PvP gear to everyone beta testing when they raise the level cap so we can really give it a whirl in a more balanced environment, but eh.
If you guys have any questions about the state of PvP in the Wrath beta, leave a comment and I'll see what I can find out for next time. I know I didn't touch on all of the class/spec combos, but the pool of beta testers (especially those PvPing) is small and it's hard to find them all. Still, if you want something specific, I'll give it a shot.
Filed under: Druid, Paladin, Priest, Shaman, Analysis / Opinion, PvP, Expansions, Hybrid Theory, Wrath of the Lich King






Reader Comments (Page 1 of 3)
sheva7_nesta13 Aug 9th 2008 8:53PM
anything on hunters?
PimpyMicPimp Aug 9th 2008 9:13PM
Hunter's arn't hybrids in this dimension.
Smurk Aug 9th 2008 8:56PM
Or anything on the new battleground? I don't really care who's OP in an alternate universe.
Derbeste Aug 9th 2008 9:02PM
I don't know why you think "hell has frozen over" because Ret pallies are OP right now.
They were OP right before BC came out too.
Everyone QQd and the CS cooldown was raised to 10 seconds (from 6) as a result...among other nerfs.
Then everyone hit 70 and all of a sudden ret pallies became "lol ret".
Like you said, I hope people don't judge balance by the way things are right now. We have no clue how abilities and stats will scale up to 80 yet.
Procris Aug 10th 2008 7:41AM
Indeed. At 60, the burning crusade talents were very powerful for the paladin but at 70, even without the nerf, it just wasn't the case. Mostly because of the huge stam increase and our abilities not scaling as well as other classes. lvl 60 gear had spell power, meaning judgements were doing more damage, SoC was doing more damage (Spell power and attk power) but the WoW community loves to QQ about things they don't understand.
At least now at 80 our spells will scale better with our gear, as every class should!
As Alex pointed out. This is beta. Stuff will change. Nerfs and Buffs will happen where appropriate. Its why i constant facepalm while reading MMO champion. No one there understands stuff changes in Beta. They see something they consider over powered and instantly whine. A good thing a lot of them aren't in beta where constructive feedback should be given, not whining.
Fellhorhn-Uldum Aug 9th 2008 9:13PM
I love how not one thing was said about the new BG. Read that whole thing for nothing.
Demosthenes Aug 9th 2008 9:16PM
I here you, I was expecting at least a little bit on the new BG.
Alex Ziebart Aug 9th 2008 9:17PM
Sorry, this column is about the Hybrid classes, not the new battlegrounds. We'll try to get something up about the new BG soon, but Hybrid Theory isn't where you would/will find it.
Andrew Welch Aug 10th 2008 1:24AM
read title & description plz???
If you want something, don't look where it isn't.
DeadlyFrenchman Aug 9th 2008 9:15PM
I JUS GOT MY BETA KEY YAY
Gerb Aug 9th 2008 9:27PM
Brb hackin' this guy.
Matazuma Aug 9th 2008 9:16PM
Mages and ret pallys OP man I laughed hard.
Huey2k2 Aug 9th 2008 10:00PM
Wait... Mages... Owning?....
I AM VERY CONFUSED
Malkeior Aug 9th 2008 10:29PM
Hey at least it's not like Ret pallies are owni- Oh. My. God!
Algorithm Aug 11th 2008 12:28PM
Magical damage classes like mages usually do really great when everyone is in bad gear.
For example, mages were very powerful when no one had arena gear in the beginning of the burning crusade. Mage damage in PvP can be pretty high without being in epic gear, and since their strategy is kill before being killed, one of the easiest ways to counter them is simply to get more health.
Rogues/Warriors/Etc. are very gear dependent, and they don't start to shine until they get Season x weapons etc.
My conjecture is that mages are powerful not due to spell mechanics, but rather due to the fact that everyone is level 77 and in greens.
Taklun Aug 9th 2008 10:16PM
Go me! Just got my beta key! *drool*
Alveredus Aug 9th 2008 10:58PM
Any word on PvP sets? I know the 80 level cap is a ways off but I thought perhaps there were hints or Blizz had commented on it.
Presumably, there will need to be new starter sets without Arena rating requirements considering that between Refer-a-Friend leveling, normal alts and DKs, many 80s will never have done rated Arena.
My plan is to have 75k honor and 100 marks of each BG ready for my PvP starter set. (Hoping for new takes on the Marshall/Warlord sets. Maybe something for Alliance plate wearers like the statue of Varien Wrynn with the Wolf-head shoulders.)
Janelle Aug 10th 2008 10:10AM
Just got my key on Tuesday night at 9pm :P YAY
brianwhaley Aug 9th 2008 11:02PM
so what are the mechanics / objectives of the new BG? Will resilience stick around? Will there be a new stat that will take over instead? What happens to Arenas in Wrath? Should we be saving honor & arena points for gear? What does the next level of pvp gear look like stat wise?
Dantheman102100 Aug 9th 2008 11:07PM
LOL immediately stating how uber powerful paladins are in the beta, that just struck me as funny as hell.
Btw, this is my favorite series of articles. You guys should do them more often.