All the World's a Stage: Sacrificing spells for the story
All the World's a Stage returns today to shine a brutal but loving eye on the intricacies of roleplay. We do this by looking at the craft of roleplay itself, and the people who love it. We might not be ready for Jerry Springer, but we're pretty sure this week's column is going to have a little debate behind it. Michael Gray fills in this week for David Bowers, and talks about letting roleplay exclude some other forms of play in the World of Warcraft.We're not a big Guild. All told, we probably have about twenty to twenty five people who come online at various times to talk, chat, and play together. We have some structure, but we're mostly a motley of friends who hang out. Our raiding effort takes place because our raid leaders woke up one day and said "By Wrath of the Lich King, we're going to be able to progress in ten man content."
We're also a roleplay-ish kind of Guild. I say "ish" because we're not full immersion players. We have some light story notions. For example, I have the vague idea that our raid's main healer is the son of our raid's main tank -- that's mostly because they're the same human model, but one has light blonde hair, and the other has old, graying hair.
So, when we come across folks into the roleplay and immersion a little more than we are, we're sometimes not quite sure what to make of it.We're learning Zul'Aman, working to round the corner from "2 Animal Bosses, 1 timed" to "3 Animal Bosses down, 2 timed." We were fortunate to have a guest-star priest, a highly skilled player that I've known for years. I've seen her Druid, Rogue, and Priest with such great skill that I'd trust her to excel in any play environment.
So, there we were. In the heart of the Zul'Aman instance. Harrison Jones had just died, and we'd just applauded that fateful one-shot. We punked Eagle, cleared some trash, freed some frogs, and downed Nalorakk.
We rounded the corner from the Bear Avatar, and were on our way to do battle with the Dragonhawk avatar. There are these bad, bad (Leroy Brown level bad) mobs called Flame Casters. They once looked cross-eyed at our off-tank, and he instantly keeled over dead. So we decide to Mind Control each one, and let their friends rub 'em out. Sounded like a good plan. We ask the guest-star priest to MC the mob marked with a star.
"Wait, wait," my friend says. "I can't Mind Control."
"No, it's okay," I say. "I trust you -- you'll be fine."
"No, really," she says. "I never learned it."
"I'm not sure I understand," I say. "Is this a roleplay thing?"
"Yeah. Holy priests shouldn't use Shadow spells. I never learned it."
We were floored. And while the raid leader totally worked around the issue, it definitely put me in thought about whether we're truly devoted to our characters. I'm sure even now there's dozens of folks lining up to say "Raids aren't about roleplay, get over it! Just ignore that the character knows the spell. . ."
But, that's the problem. In the same way I have trouble buying that the Son of Illidan is a Level 1 Rogue, I'd have trouble ignoring the Blizzard-given stats I see about my character. And if that's the case, isn't it better -- if your goal is to be true to your story -- to avoid purchasing a genre-breaking spell in the first place?
Another friend of mine complains -- constantly -- about Engineering, and especially about the new bikes. In her version of Azeroth, the genre is pretty focused on sword-and-sorcery. The Steampunk Engineering pieces kind of break her out of that. As a result ... no Engineers exist anywhere among her half-million alts.
That''s pretty innocuous compared to ignoring an entire school of your character's spells, but I'm totally sold by the devotion to character and story shown by my Shadow-ignoring friends. And let's be honest -- if you're a healing priest in a raid, exactly how often are you asked to bust out Mind Control anyway? Heck, I doubt Mind Controlling those flame-throwing trolls is even the best way to do that corridor. So, really, that's not a big deal either.
I think a lot of us do this to some extent or another. Don't believe me? Do you turn your hat or cape off? I do. I can't stand the way they look on my dwarf. I just can't picture my burly, serious dwarf sporting a cape. Now, that's an aesthetic issue, but it's one that's purely driven by my desire for the character to adhere to my vision of it.
Why do you think so many Horde players were bothered by the addition of Blood Elves? The pretty, petite, and prim posers didn't adhere to their powerful and potent vision of the proper Horde. Their idea of genre, and the one being laid down by Blizzard, didn't match. If there were any feasible way to make it happen, do you think those upset Horde members would turn off Blood Elves?
So, yeah. I'm pretty sure everyone who cares at least a little about roleplaying, story, or the genre of their playtime censors their gaming experience to some degree. We might want to think that my Shadow-ignoring friend takes it a little far, but I think she's just showing more devotion to an ideal. It might not be my ideal, but I think if all had a little more gumption in life, the world might be a better place.
Even if it's just the World . . .of Warcraft.
Filed under: Priest, Analysis / Opinion, Virtual selves, RP, All the World's a Stage (Roleplaying)
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Reader Comments (Page 2 of 4)
Deuce Aug 11th 2008 12:29AM
Although I have never tried the whole role-playing thing I would gladly bow to those of you who do. I think it take a lot more mentally to role-play. Staying in character, making sure to stay true to your story, etc. So my hat is off to you guys. And I particularly want to say good job to those of you who feel so strongly about it that you skip spells and professions.
HOWEVER I would comment about engineering. Does the person who doesn't believe in it ever go to Iron Forge? I mean between Dwarves and Gnomes its a huge, huge part of their lore. So I have to agree that just because it doesn't fit someone's idea of Swords and Sorcery doesn't make it not Rp-worthy. The other stuff I can see. If you are a Hunter and you envision your hunter being an archer then I would say that makes perfect sense to not touch a gun. If you are Holy and your character grew up only knowing the ways of light then good for you. That makes perfect sense.
In the end I don't know. I would like to kind of start something casual on an RP server but I just don't have enough friends who would be in to it or even try it. And I do think that some of the hardcore RP'ing is kind of a turn off to them. For example; what happens when your friend that is not into the engineering thing groups with an engineer? Or a Gnome with the Mechanostrider mount? Do they just not group with that person? Is the person not allowed in the guild? Just some stuff that came to mind after reading this sorry for the rant and wall of text.
Siona Aug 11th 2008 12:33AM
See, I don't understand the Belf hate. They share alot of qualities that the Hordies already share. Yes, they're pretty and flimsy on the outside. But anyone who just puts them aside as just that doesn't know anything about the lore behind them.
They've been exiled, beaten on by the Old Horde, beaten on by the trolls, abandoned by the Alliance (that right there is a big discussion in and of itself, but I'm just saying how the Belves see it), and then nearly decimated by the Scourge. Add in political turmoil that has resulted in the separate factions of Blood Elf and High Elf, and you have a setup for a great fall. And a greater rise.
They've gone from fairly hopeful and optimistic people to a small number who are clinging to strands of hope in whatever form they find it in, even if it means turning into the demons like the followers of Kael'thas. But the rest are stuck in Azeroth, waiting to leave, or waiting for things to get better.
This is a story that's echoed by almost the entire Horde, the orcs most noticeably. Orcs were tricked into it, yes, while the Belves are almost giving themselves into it out of desire for power, which has risen out of their desperation. But I think that in the future (and through the Sunwell quest lines we have now), the blood elves are going to rise above and prove to be a powerful member of the Horde.
Rag on them for being cutesy if you wish. Shit, I do it every day! But as to them not deserving to be a member of the Horde, that is absolute poppycock.
Cyanea Aug 11th 2008 3:12AM
From a roleplaying standpoint, I love the Horde stories waaaay more than the Alliance (but play Alliance because that's what all my friends do). The Blood Elves' addiction alone sets the stage for some great RP, not even taking into account their extreme arrogance and race history.
Raze Aug 11th 2008 3:33AM
Backstory aside, as was mentioned in the article, their looks, looks, /looks/, and nothing more, are why Hordies don't like Blood Elves. You really aren't going to change anyone's mind on that throwing lore around. Sorry.
zappo Aug 11th 2008 9:53AM
^ truth from Raze
Theungry Aug 12th 2008 1:15PM
I wouldn't say Belfs shouldn't be horde from a lore perspective. I would say that it really felt like the visual design was intended specifically to balance populations for the factions. That was so inherently disappointing to me that I could never play one or take them seriously.
Eveline Aug 11th 2008 12:34AM
This is not as bad as a priest in our heavy-RP guild who was Shadow, and as a result had not trained ANY holy spells. None. He didn't heal himself, or anyone else, ever. It took some time, but we eventually convinced him why at least knowing a core set of class abilities was a good idea.
Myself...my forsaken warlock does not believe that relying on demons you have no control over is responsible. So she's never summoned an infernal or doomguard. Not even to grief some newbs. Ever.
*grins*
dpoyesac Aug 11th 2008 12:36AM
Funny thing is, RPers are usually the most well-adjusted WoW players you'll find.
AND if you want to meet real women who play WoW -- and not cheeto-crusted, drooling leeches who just pretend -- you'll usually find 'em amongst the RPers.
So, yeah, Tweak:
/epic fail
Ktok Aug 11th 2008 12:40AM
While I respect the RP a ton, and it must have been a pain to level with 100% holy and no shadow, I do think she should have told people about that before the raid started. Would have made it a lot less shocking mid-raid :)
0bsolete Aug 11th 2008 12:42AM
I actually remember one of my characters early on when I started playing WoW. I had finally gotten the game mechanics down and was pretty clear of the "newbie" phase. It was an orc hunter, who didn't have a pet. I refused to have a pet on that character. Marksman spec, but no pet. I did it partially for the challenge, partially because I don't want my character's ability based around a limited AI, and partially because I wanted an archer. But I remember this-it was fun and hard.
Yet another character that I played for a while was my warlock, aka my melee-lock. I would dot up the mobs and run in, with my imp or succubus providing backup. Putting most of my points in the demo tree to increase my personal survivability, as well as handful into afflict and destro. I stacked mostly strength and stamina, and as much attack power as I could get. It was a lot of fun. And once again, really hard.
Tenchan Aug 11th 2008 1:38AM
To me, being a good RPer includes two things:
1. Your imagination allows you to ignore necessary evils like many game mechanics.
2. You do not make others suffer OOCly because of your own IC.
georgeasmith Aug 11th 2008 1:49AM
I totaly dont get RP hate. WoW is a MMORPG or MMO for short. RP is the reason the game was made. Now I don't do any story RP but my toon is 98% IC all the time. She talks like I do and acts like me. I don't bring RL issues into the game and that makes her RP. I would bet that most people do the same but dont call it RP.
Mellow Aug 11th 2008 1:52AM
Well RPG is just another part of the game.. people chooses to go 100% rpg, but thats the game..
Sean Riley Aug 11th 2008 1:55AM
I've done this myself, although I've never gotten her to level 70. I will, though, one day!
In addition, that particular character tithed. Every 10 levels, I gave 10% of all my current money to a lowbie who roleplayed with me. I encouraged future roleplayers and fulfilled my character's holy duties in one go!
(She also refused to drink alcohol, and would not abandon quests. She was scarily devout.)
Magma Aug 11th 2008 1:56AM
I don't care what kind of roleplayer or person you are, you're a moron if you don't train needed abilities because your character is "against" it. Raid's require certain things and if you aren't willing to put your all into it, you don't deserve to raid.
Sean Riley Aug 12th 2008 11:06PM
Wait up, Magma.
I agree there was an ettiquette breach here -- The player should have let people know before hand. But if they had done so, just said out-of-character, "Before you invite me in, you have to know that I don't do ANY shadow spells. I don't know any. If you want to bring in someone else instead, I'll understand."
Then what's the problem?
frank Aug 11th 2008 2:01AM
I, personally, have nothing against role players...
Unfortunately, my night elf druid hates them with a passion.
=D
Larry-Steve Aug 11th 2008 2:40AM
If anything, RP'ing adds more dynamic to the game.
I COMPLETELY agree that she is doing the right thing. That devotion alone makes me want to roll on an RP server to get away from people like post #1.
And on the other hand, you DID say that the raid leader was able to work around it. GOD FORBID one should alter a strategy! Maybe come up with something on their own instead of Google searching the boss and blindly listening to what the internet tells us.
When I've played other MMO's, I've found the calliper of players found on RP servers to be easily above the average bar, as someone's mentioned. I'd have reason to believe these same, talented people play on the RP servers.
onetrueping Aug 11th 2008 2:58AM
Okay, I can't leave this one alone. First, I agree with the bulk of your post. Second, I don't see how the weight of RP characters versus other characters matters. Unless you meant CALIBER, which could be the same thing if you mean the Darkmoon Faire cannon...
...okay, now I'm just rambling. Carry on!
Larry-Steve Aug 11th 2008 5:19AM
Notice how I didn't say WoW RP servers HAVE better players. I said that through experience in other areas, I could see that concept being proposed as being believable, never making any mention of ACTUAL experience in either direction.
And yes, I meant CALIBUR because you didn’t now what I was trying to say and found an ad hominine attack the only way to criticize me, even though you DID agree with me.