All the World's a Stage: Sacrificing spells for the story
All the World's a Stage returns today to shine a brutal but loving eye on the intricacies of roleplay. We do this by looking at the craft of roleplay itself, and the people who love it. We might not be ready for Jerry Springer, but we're pretty sure this week's column is going to have a little debate behind it. Michael Gray fills in this week for David Bowers, and talks about letting roleplay exclude some other forms of play in the World of Warcraft.We're not a big Guild. All told, we probably have about twenty to twenty five people who come online at various times to talk, chat, and play together. We have some structure, but we're mostly a motley of friends who hang out. Our raiding effort takes place because our raid leaders woke up one day and said "By Wrath of the Lich King, we're going to be able to progress in ten man content."
We're also a roleplay-ish kind of Guild. I say "ish" because we're not full immersion players. We have some light story notions. For example, I have the vague idea that our raid's main healer is the son of our raid's main tank -- that's mostly because they're the same human model, but one has light blonde hair, and the other has old, graying hair.
So, when we come across folks into the roleplay and immersion a little more than we are, we're sometimes not quite sure what to make of it.We're learning Zul'Aman, working to round the corner from "2 Animal Bosses, 1 timed" to "3 Animal Bosses down, 2 timed." We were fortunate to have a guest-star priest, a highly skilled player that I've known for years. I've seen her Druid, Rogue, and Priest with such great skill that I'd trust her to excel in any play environment.
So, there we were. In the heart of the Zul'Aman instance. Harrison Jones had just died, and we'd just applauded that fateful one-shot. We punked Eagle, cleared some trash, freed some frogs, and downed Nalorakk.
We rounded the corner from the Bear Avatar, and were on our way to do battle with the Dragonhawk avatar. There are these bad, bad (Leroy Brown level bad) mobs called Flame Casters. They once looked cross-eyed at our off-tank, and he instantly keeled over dead. So we decide to Mind Control each one, and let their friends rub 'em out. Sounded like a good plan. We ask the guest-star priest to MC the mob marked with a star.
"Wait, wait," my friend says. "I can't Mind Control."
"No, it's okay," I say. "I trust you -- you'll be fine."
"No, really," she says. "I never learned it."
"I'm not sure I understand," I say. "Is this a roleplay thing?"
"Yeah. Holy priests shouldn't use Shadow spells. I never learned it."
We were floored. And while the raid leader totally worked around the issue, it definitely put me in thought about whether we're truly devoted to our characters. I'm sure even now there's dozens of folks lining up to say "Raids aren't about roleplay, get over it! Just ignore that the character knows the spell. . ."
But, that's the problem. In the same way I have trouble buying that the Son of Illidan is a Level 1 Rogue, I'd have trouble ignoring the Blizzard-given stats I see about my character. And if that's the case, isn't it better -- if your goal is to be true to your story -- to avoid purchasing a genre-breaking spell in the first place?
Another friend of mine complains -- constantly -- about Engineering, and especially about the new bikes. In her version of Azeroth, the genre is pretty focused on sword-and-sorcery. The Steampunk Engineering pieces kind of break her out of that. As a result ... no Engineers exist anywhere among her half-million alts.
That''s pretty innocuous compared to ignoring an entire school of your character's spells, but I'm totally sold by the devotion to character and story shown by my Shadow-ignoring friends. And let's be honest -- if you're a healing priest in a raid, exactly how often are you asked to bust out Mind Control anyway? Heck, I doubt Mind Controlling those flame-throwing trolls is even the best way to do that corridor. So, really, that's not a big deal either.
I think a lot of us do this to some extent or another. Don't believe me? Do you turn your hat or cape off? I do. I can't stand the way they look on my dwarf. I just can't picture my burly, serious dwarf sporting a cape. Now, that's an aesthetic issue, but it's one that's purely driven by my desire for the character to adhere to my vision of it.
Why do you think so many Horde players were bothered by the addition of Blood Elves? The pretty, petite, and prim posers didn't adhere to their powerful and potent vision of the proper Horde. Their idea of genre, and the one being laid down by Blizzard, didn't match. If there were any feasible way to make it happen, do you think those upset Horde members would turn off Blood Elves?
So, yeah. I'm pretty sure everyone who cares at least a little about roleplaying, story, or the genre of their playtime censors their gaming experience to some degree. We might want to think that my Shadow-ignoring friend takes it a little far, but I think she's just showing more devotion to an ideal. It might not be my ideal, but I think if all had a little more gumption in life, the world might be a better place.
Even if it's just the World . . .of Warcraft.
Filed under: Priest, Analysis / Opinion, Virtual selves, RP, All the World's a Stage (Roleplaying)
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Reader Comments (Page 4 of 4)
Badger Aug 11th 2008 9:19AM
I can totally sympathize, Tweak!
Just go on back to bed with your supermodel wife and dream of the Filet Mignon and Caviar you'll be feasting on in your Playboy Mansion tomorrow afternoon, where you'll lounge outside your Olympic-sized pool and wonder what on Earth all those losers are doing commenting on Insider while you're livin' the dream.
/sarcasm off
You're a fucking idiot.
Menalaous Aug 11th 2008 10:01AM
While I dont play on an RP server I kind of want to. I make all my characters with lore/roles in mind. My Warlock-Orc with bloodshot eyes and is going to do every shadow council quest available. My shaman, an Orc with blue eyes to make him seam like one of the young frost wolf shamans and guess what rep I am going to work on as soon as he is high enough level. I even design them too look a certain role. My warrior is taurenn not because they are big and look cool in plate but the idea of a shock troop running into, bashing things out of his way with horns and pulling a massive axe/hammer/tree off his back as if to say come get me (Anyone seen the newer Narnia movie, the old minotaur in that movie that dies at the castle). Hell I even made a dranei that looks as close to a broken as I could so I could make him a shadow priest ;). Fallen from the light much?
If you flame rpers, well maybe you should look in the mirror. As mentioned above, you play an mmoRPG. Your not playing a startegy game and if your raiding you have already moved through days worth of lore and are continuing to shape it. Infact y doing the raids you are helping out RPers. Many guilds never have or ever will see Kil'jaden, but still the lore will ssay and entrepid band of warriors charged into the Sun well to kick his ass out of azeroth. Because of that Rpers can move on to a differnt phase of the azerothian world. If you dont like that, then move on, find a different game that is less emersive, like I dont know, Mortal Kombat, or Halo. No loss for us who enjoy the lore/emersion in the lore and roles.
Hell there is one more thing. YOUR RAID ROLES ARE BASED ON LORE/ROLE PLAYING! Thus the term ROLE.
Kiwi189 Aug 12th 2008 8:15PM
Dont be such a jerk tweack your probally only saying that cuz thats your life you A-hole.Sure holy rpers not useing shdow spells is taking it to far but its just a game.if you say **** like that your just pathedic and and i think that YOU need to get a life.
arghylesteward Aug 11th 2008 10:51AM
Lots of people have thrown around the term "core ability".
My question is since when is MC, or SW:P for another example, a core ability for a holy priest?
jbodar Aug 11th 2008 10:06PM
Wouldn't any baseline (i.e., untalented) ability be considered core? Regardless, if you're raiding or even in a 5 man, people are going to expect that you can CC.
Simon Aug 11th 2008 11:02AM
I always play on RP servers and am very much a casual RP-er, but definitely empathize with a lot of this article!
My 70 priest, I levelled as shadow (got to around 40 pre TBC) as it was simply the fastest way to do it.
Now I'm disc/holy and I really want to play a 'holy priest' and therefore hardly ever cast shadow spells - it just doesn't feel right.
Problem is, is that with just holy fire and smite for offensive abilities, it's very boring!
Oh well, roll on Wrath and penance...
Adrian Aug 11th 2008 3:58PM
I don't really see a problem, as was stated you could work around it, supposing that you WERE a roleplaying group, you would have had to role play her joining the group someway, as otherwise it would have been deterring to the story you were making.
Otherwise if she deemed that the spells are to be rolplayed, but joining a band of adventurers just "for the hell of it" then I do see an issue, if you will roleplay spells, then you have to roleplay joining a group, and at the very least introduce your character and their traits.
Obviously raiding is a big part of WOW, and you expect certain "abilities" right off the bat, but it is undestandable that you may have to work around those, not everyone does it for the "shinies".
Adam Aug 11th 2008 12:14PM
Back before Burning Crusade launched, I had a Night Elf main in his 50s who, according to the backstory I had developed for him, was on decidedly unfriendly terms with the Cenarion Circle. The trouble was that my roleplay wasn't able to back this up very well, since all I could do to was claim that I had to avoid Cenarion settlements. One day I got it in my head to make good on this claim.
I went to the Cenarion settlement in Silithus, set that faction to "At War", and began preying on outlying, unprotected NPCs (the guards there murdered me if I picked a target too close) one at a time to drop my faction rating from Friendly to Neutral to Unfriendly... to Hostile. I knew when I was done because the whole encampment came running for me. I had to res at the spirit healer, unable to ever return for my body. Silithus essentially became "off-limits".
After that, I could say with confidence that the Cenarion Hold hated my character. And if my travels ever took me past Cenarion territory, anybody with me would see that I wasn't bluffing.
Additional anecdote: my NE main had kind of a chip on his shoulder regarding Kaldorei society and had left to become a citizen of Stormwind instead. When I hit level 40, I didn't buy a cat mount. I didn't buy one at 50 or 60 either, or indeed, ever. I waited until I had earned enough Stormwind rep, by turning in more stacks of runecloth than I can count, to buy a horse. For many I was the only level 60 they had ever met without a mount.
Lephturn Aug 11th 2008 5:27PM
My Belf lock has been 70 for a week or so and still rides the original Warlock horse. I will not ride anything other than a Dreadsteed, so until I get that quest done, it's 60% speed for me.
Now I need to figure out what flier is demonic enough...
Xiphus Aug 11th 2008 9:49PM
When I roleplay, I go around this problem by basing my roleplaying character around his skills and talent tree. Why is he in deep assassination? That's cause he is an assassin, that's why. That's also why he will never lift a sword, and will always stay in deep assassination.
Of course, that one does get me alot of flack from rogues who had long jumped into the Shadowstep bandwagon.
Typhron Aug 12th 2008 1:25PM
So can familiarize. My Paladin is a physical damage-dealing warrior sort of person (lolret), and that is how I've come to raid and whatnot. As a result, I never got around to getting his Charger (Bought an Epix Wolf and training for 560g), never heal when needed and didn't usually use Divine Intervention. I'm just glad my guild likes me so.
Speaking of which, It was like you were describing Ashes of Shadow Council, my guild, in the beginning. Was SO very uncanny.
Ladria Aug 12th 2008 9:07PM
Im laughing my ass off! If I met someone(any class) that didnt train all theyre skills, Id kick them off my friends list. Its a reason we can train them, aint it!?
But truth be told.. Id be laughing my ass off if that happened to me in the middle of ZA! xD
PRW Aug 15th 2008 3:14PM
While I haven't been so hard-core as to not learn major spells, it has been my practice with my warlocks to dismiss any non-invisible minion when I approach a built-up area (unless it's a Forsaken or Blood Elf town). I feel like having a visible demonic minion out ought to mask the warlock's reputation at Unfriendly with most NPCs.
Zali Sep 8th 2008 10:57AM
I know I'm a little late to the show, but wanted my opinion recorded in digital format for all the world to see, at least until the Legion realizes that Azeroth is just simply too tough of a nut to crack and set their eyes on Earth as a much easier target... and then show up and kinda wipe out our electrical grid so that my digital opinion goes the way of the dodo bird.
I think that in a game like WOW where a person usually has to step up to the plate and save the day/raid because of a class utility, that it is important to be prepared for that. If you are going to run raids then you should train every available spell because others are going to expect you to show up with your game face on... not your RP face.
IF, and only IF you are in a guild that does full RP and raids in full RP mode, can you really claim that, "Gee, I didn't learn that one cuz it didn't fit my personality." If you pug into a dungeon, they won't understand you saying, "I skipped all the nature spells." Imagine a run of AQ that had a mage, and they get to that guy (can't remember the name right now) where you need to frost damage to get him down.... but woops, the mage never trained any frost spells cuz they were dedicated to the arts of fire. This is where the raid leader says "WHAT??? He's at 1 friggin percent. YOU BETTER PRODUCE AN EFFIN ICE CUBE OR I'LL CUT YOUR MOTHERS THROAT SO HELP ME GOD." (first time we ran that we had no mages, heard he died faster with a mage, but didn't know he couldn't die without frost... 67 minutes on that fight, most of it with the guy at 1%... ah good times, good times.)
Learn your spells, all of them. Don't add them to your casting bar. Forget they exist. Fine. No big deal. Roll play till your hearts content. But if you show up on raid night with your consumables and regents and extra caffienated beverages in the personal fridge next to your desk so you don't have to get up to get a drink and.... don't have that crucial spell at that crucial moment? Ohhh man, the gloves are off.
RP on your time. The raid is OUR time. Class utility is very important in raid composition. Skipping that spell is selfish.
If you want to skip those spells for RP purposes, then don't show up for raids because you are hobbling the rest of the group.
I sympathise with your healing priest pal, but I sympathise with the other nine people on that run even more.
Agirra Sep 17th 2008 8:20AM
I totally agree that it's ok to skip skills for RP reasons. The sad thing is how many skip skills for other reasons, such as "I didn't want to waste money training the totems." Those I kick from the group as soon as I figure out they don't have the mana spring totems, for instance.
If you really want to raid with your character, make a character to raid with. It's not very likely that a fully holy priest would go into battle. They'd go to the battleground and heal all who suffered. Or at least try. Make one with internal struggles and doubts. One that suffers under temptation, and sometimes falls. Much more interesting concept.
My raiding characters are willing to do anything for their cause. Whether it's protecting their mates or making more gold: It's about doing what their have to do, and worry later. My non-raiding characters? Well, how elegant can a bloodelf pally look, if he has to wear mail/plate? How many sets of clothing can a bag hold? Really, those two-handed swords are so - bulky. And most shields are ugly! If you find something that looks good: don't let go!!!