Forum post of the day: Idiots, children, and oldschoolers. Oh my!
At one point in time or another, most guilds face at least a little bit of drama, from loot distribution, to relationships, to guild bank robbery. Zeida of Tichondrius has created an list of guild member archetypes for folks she does not want in her guild. The list of stereotypes covers the first four posts in the thread so there is a considerable amount of reading. The list includes newbs, n00bs, trolls, elitists, and many more.
The original poster went into detail on each of these archetypes. Here's the short version:
I. The Newb: The Newb has simply not gained enough experience in the game to play it at the level required by a serious raiding guild.. With time of course he may well play the game at the highest level, and perhaps he has or can make friends to guide him along, but unfortunately, raiding guilds are not in the business of educating Newbs to the point where they can function as experienced players.
II. The Noob: The Noob, distinct from the Newb, may indeed have great experience in the game, a large /played, and quite a bit of gear to show for it. His flaw, however, is that he is the man who is always right, knows all, and can be taught nothing. The essence of the Noob is an inability to learn due to a flawed and weak character.
III. The Idiot: [The Idiot] is the man who persistently says and does things that can only be described as idiotic. He has dartboard sockets, poorly itemized gear, and is always the player who fails at elements of the game not connected to gameplay, whether it's blowing up the raid on Solarian or Aran or failing at cubes on Magtheridon. He is equally unintelligent when it comes to things not specifically connected with the game itself.
IV. The Oldschooler: The Oldschooler is a common but deceptively pernicious character. The Oldschooler's world has long stopped, back in the "better days" of this game. ... The Oldschooler will rigidly adhere to obsolete ideas as to things such as game mechanisms, class balance, and the dynamics of raid encounters.
V. The Elitist: The Elitist is the guy who seems to consider it an affront to speak civilly to players whom he deems inferior. He believes that his extensive experience with and understanding of game mechanisms place him on a higher plane of existence than the mere mortals who still haven't learned so-and-such obscure minutiae.
VI. The No-Lifer: [The No-Lifer] has absolutely no life outside the game. He has no skills or interests, and most likely he does not even have a job. He lives off his parents or on welfare. The No-Lifer is often a skilled and fruitful player who has much to show for the time he has spent in game. He is problematic, however, in that owing to his lack of a life, he has little perspective on it.
IX. The Flake: The Flake is the guy who never shows up for progression, alt-F4's when things get tough, never farms his resist sets, AFKs in raids, always seems to log on late, or, when given a specific in-game responsibility, fails to carry through.
X. The Troll: The Troll is a jerk, plain and simple. He uses the anonymity and physical disassociation of the online world to antagonize others in ways he is unable to in real life. He does this because he is mean-spirited. Often he is a man with considerable personal frustration at his lack of power or personal failings in real life, who griefs others to reinforce his sense of self-worth.
XI. The Child: The Child is just that – an underage player. Many Children are nearly young adults; they are almost 18 and have driver's licenses. They are often skilled players and perhaps even precocious. Some Children are actually quite mature and can think lucidly.
XII. The Flirt: The Flirt is at least two separate people in one, who are equally to blame. Most flirting is heterosexual and takes the form of a female being humored, or starting drama, because the male majority are too immature to deal with her as a peer. Sometimes this takes the form of the female receiving loot, or being allowed to indulge in antagonistic behavior, or not being the object of criticism when she fails at her responsibilities.
XIII. The Insider: The Insider, similar to the Oldschooler, is the guy who seems to know everyone and has been everywhere, in every guild reform and every raid instance. He was there when the server came online, he was there when the gates of AQ opened, he was there for each and every server event, and he's always the guy eagerly pursuing the latest fad.
There is some truth to this list, but not everyone can be as perfect and balanced as the original poster. Responders posted some of the other characters that they love to hate. In the MMORPG environment we have to put up with a lot of character flaws in the people that surround us. I would think twice about applying for a guild with this list as it focuses on negatives and is pretty subjective. I would rather see a list of qualities for people who are desired in a social setting.
Who are the people you'd like to have in your guild?
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Reader Comments (Page 1 of 3)
Hypo Aug 10th 2008 4:56AM
Although I whole-heartedly enjoy WoWInsider, it's so frustrating when you guys link something. You link every second word to a wowinsider-column or an entry someone has made, but when trying to find links that directly relate to the matter at hand, say a link to Zeida's list, there is nothing.
Secret322 Aug 10th 2008 5:07AM
Sorry to say but there was a link to the post, it is the link is on her name at the top of the post. :P
Hypo Aug 10th 2008 5:13AM
Guess I look like an idiot now. My bad :o)
Cookie McWeaksauce Aug 10th 2008 5:26AM
"Zeida of Tichondrius" links to Zeida's post. Makes sense to me... though I do agree that the columnists here tend to go a little crazy with the links.
As for the list... yeah, that's a pretty comprehensive list of people to -avoid-, but... whom do you -seek-? I have the same problem with the ten commandments. So negative.
I seek people who treat each other well, who tolerate the occasional guild bullshit and voice their concerns decorously, who know how to play their class for the most part, who are humble, who can have fun without infringing on the fun of others, who play WoW as if it were a game (imagine that).
Why did you omit 7 and 8?
Patrick Aug 10th 2008 6:30AM
I used to share your frustration here, but then I discovered the "Source" link at the bottom left of applicable articles. That always takes you to the page under discussion.
Badger Aug 10th 2008 5:11PM
I would venture a guess that more click-throughs means more ad revenue. I could be wrong, though.
Secret322 Aug 10th 2008 5:06AM
I would like people that would stick to the guild, be mature about loot rules, have everything ready once raid time comes along, and know all the boss fights when the raid does them.
Saelorn Aug 10th 2008 5:29AM
As a note, the Oldschooler can sometimes just be an ex-No-Lifer who hasn't had a chance to catch up on the new ways.
This is a trap I often fall into. If I leveled three characters back in 1.6, and only one since then, then I'm more likely to remember the old experience than the newer one.
It's a pain keeping up to date. Even if I spend all day on sites like this, reading about changes as the develop, I'm still going to remember the things I've actually done much more vividly.
Tich Forums Aug 10th 2008 6:03AM
It should be noted that Zeida is a well-known forum troll. If you search other posts by him, you can clearly see how this pompous, arrogant jerk exists only to infuriate others. Anything he says should be taken with a grain of salt. Furthermore, it should be noted that he has been kicked out and banned from many different guilds in Tichondrius. A pathetic guy with too much time on his hands makes a long post about people he doesn't want in a guild when he himself has been kicked out of so many guilds already. Oh sweet irony.
Algorithm Aug 11th 2008 12:32PM
I don't read the forums in question, but all I could think while reading this is:
"OMG... what an arrogant prick"
Adorenko Aug 10th 2008 6:17AM
You forgot one player type that I know everyone has come across.
XIV. The Perfectionist: The Perfectionist, is the guy who has all the gear that it is distinct to his class both PvE and PvP. He is combination of the no-lifer and the elitist and something all together different. When in a pickup group for a dungeon he screams you at you that your doing your job wrong after a wipe and decides he is leaving the guild because of a bad run. You might say even has a little troll in there as well.
I give you the perfectionist.
drht Aug 10th 2008 6:33AM
This list seems to be written by an Elitist, Insider or No-Lifer...
Jack Spicer Aug 10th 2008 7:50AM
My sentiments exactly.
Jake Aug 10th 2008 9:00AM
Sounds to me like the typical judgemental "female canine".
Zarfay Aug 10th 2008 6:40AM
"Zeida of Tichondrius has created an list of guild member archetypes for folks she does NOT want in her guild"
"The Child: The Child is just that – an underage player. Many Children are nearly young adults; they are almost 18 and have driver's licenses. They are often skilled players and perhaps even precocious. Some Children are actually quite mature and can think lucidly."
Hardly a reason to not want them in your guild, it almost sounds like the elitist attitude mentioned.
Summer Aug 10th 2008 3:42PM
One of the best tanks I ever raided with was a 15 year old girl, back in MC. I don't age discriminate after that experience.
Bryan Dare Aug 10th 2008 3:44PM
My thoughts exactly.
"Some Children are actually quite mature and can think lucidly."
Then what is the point in keeping all under-age players out? 'This person is very mature and is an excellent raider, but they're only 17 so they can't join.' It makes no sense! I also find it ridiculous that the OP considers anyone under 18 a CHILD. Yes, many teenagers act like children, but as the post says, many are also very mature. Plus, one does not simply go from being a child to being a man/woman the exact second they turn 18.
As others have said, this Zeida is probably an elitist jerk and a troll with, in my opinion, deeply flawed logic.
Darque Aug 10th 2008 4:19PM
My only reason for hesitating to group with underage people is that my conversations can tend toward the adult side, and I don't monitor myself nearly as well as I should.
That said...some of the younger people I've grouped with are also some of the better players that I've had the pleasure of teaming with.
Soifra Aug 10th 2008 7:02AM
I'm a combination of Newb and No-Lifer - except for the bit about having no interests. :x At least I research?
G Aug 10th 2008 7:13AM
"She" sure does mention "the man" a lot.