Breakfast Topic: Does the levity mess up the lore?
Warning: Wrath spoilers ahead!
Blizzard's pretty good at Lore when they want to be, with the whole 2.4 storyline, the Battle of Ahn'Qiraj, and many epic storylines promising to come out of Northrend. At the same time, they also have their own offbeat brand of humor that is never far gone from their design philosophy, and it shows up in their stories too.
Sometimes it serves them well and adds a bit of levity, but other time, it seems to take on a life of its own, a life that can strangle what could have otherwise been something compelling and interesting. Zul'Aman is perhaps the most pertinent example. What could have been the last attempt of the Farstriders to shut down the troll menace threatening their people, what could have been a revival of the Troll killing tradition of the Arathi, or an examination of the High Elves who stayed loyal to the Alliance but still hate the Amani, instead turned into a cheap redneck treasure hunt. It killed much of the allure of the zone and turned what could have been a epic struggle against a former hero of the Horde into a run of the mill bunny bashing session.
It feels sort of the same way with Hemet Nesingwary and the DHETA. It's been a running gag that Hemet must be some sort of incredible genocidal maniac who's run countless animal species into extinction. Yet there's never been any indication until now that he is. In fact, the Tauren, who by all indication are Hunters who still understand the need for balance and harmony with nature, seem to have respect for him.
Yet here's this DHETA group, a maniacal group of radicals who eschew any killing of animals at all, looking to bring him down. As a Druid roleplayer, I've never seen Druids as the type to lean so radically to one side like that. They've always, in my mind, understood the need to kill, the cycle of predator and prey, and there are druid quests that would seem to bear that out -- the very wearing of leather armor would seem to bear that out. So how am I supposed to reconcile the Cenarion Circle I know with a cheap joke about PETA?
Then again, Hemet himself is sort of part of Blizzard's lightheartedness to begin with, his name and original camp in Stranglethorn Vale being one big Hemingway joke. So it could be I'm reading too much into it. What do you think?
Filed under: Analysis / Opinion, Virtual selves, Breakfast Topics, Lore, RP, Wrath of the Lich King
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Reader Comments (Page 3 of 5)
nobbie Aug 12th 2008 10:25AM
You know, Blizzard games are planned years ahead ;)
Zali Aug 12th 2008 10:26AM
@Hoggersbud
It was the final 'beta' test before releasing the Russian version.
Rual Aug 12th 2008 9:47AM
My understanding was that it was not the real Zul'jin, but an imposter who took advantage of a directionless Amani tribe.
Daniel Whitcomb Aug 12th 2008 11:48AM
I'm pretty positive that's a completely player-made theory, Rual.
Shinji Aug 12th 2008 9:56AM
Im just wondering, if it follows the way it did in BC, Nesingwary moves to Northrend, His son moves to Outlands, who will be in STV, Nesingwary grandson?
Super Guest Man 9000 Aug 12th 2008 2:44PM
I was wondering that too.
Lev M. Aug 12th 2008 9:56AM
I have always hated the so-called "humor" in wow that has to do with pop culture references. While some of you may get a thrill of getting an insider joke from blizzard, I think it ruins the atmosphere of the game. I wholeheartedly agreed with the poster who wrote about "Nightstalker Cleanup-Isle 2". My personal pet peeve is Haris Pilton, it's enough that I have to see her plastered over everything in real life.
Zali Aug 12th 2008 10:27AM
OK. The Harris Pilton complaint I can actually get on board with.
theRaptor Aug 12th 2008 10:41AM
Get over yourself, Warcraft was never a serious fantasy world. It was a rip off of Warhammer, whose races are largely based on British stereotypes.
Frank Aug 12th 2008 10:41AM
what if they made haris pilton an NPC that you could attack and kill, though? that might be worthwhile.
Simon Aug 12th 2008 10:42AM
Have to admit, I could do with Blizzard cutting down on the jokes a bit - TBC was arguably really OTT in this respect.
When Wrath is meant to be a very dramatic resolution of the Arthas story - 8 years of Warcraft - having loads of silly jokes all the time really spoils the atmosphere.
It was bad enough on TBC with silly things like Area 52 i.e. Goblins and Star Trek when you've entered one of the 2 end-zones of the game and you're about to find out what Kael and his armies are really up to, yet Blizzard kept on spoiling the sense of danger with silly jokes all of the time.
Maybe Blizzard should watch 'The Empire Strikes Back' a few more times to see how you can mix jokey moments with quite a dark story and make a success of it...
Zali Aug 12th 2008 10:51AM
I thought Area 52 was pretty perfect. The Goblins are always a little hokey, and their quest lines are always a little hokey. All of the Engineering stuff is done Tongue-in-Cheek.
I just don't see why everything has to be serious, dark, and forbidding. Almost the entire zone is death and destruction. I like the cartoonish feel of the game. I like the quirkiness of things like Area 52. If I want All Serious, All the Time, I'll play AOC.
Xoshe Aug 12th 2008 10:11AM
See, I actually got the impression from doing some of the Night Elf starting quests that Druids (at least, the Night Elf ones) actually WERE strongly against killing animals period.
For example, there's a short quest chain (http://thottbot.com/q489) where you start off killing some animals for a demon, then when you get back to town one of the Druids is all "No! Bad Elf! Killing animals is FORBIDDEN!"
Maybe that guy later goes on to found DHETA.
Zali Aug 12th 2008 10:36AM
Actually that isn't Druid only. All NE get it. I think the point was more that uselessly killing the animals in order to aid a Satyr in his evil anti-forrest schemes was a bad thing. Night Elves have many quests that require a little animal killing, but it is true that they usually have a purpose. Killing rabid bears on the Darkshore comes to mind. And nobody tosses up any ire when you kill a zillion crabs because you're cooking up the stuff for food.
Kaizen Aug 12th 2008 10:12AM
Makes sense to me that there would be some whackjobs who care more about animals than people in wow. Why not be Druids? From a role playing point of view, I think I'd be against bear hunting, pheasent hunting and poaching cats. Of course...I think I'd also be against Venture Co...
Timothy Bower Aug 12th 2008 10:17AM
Well the thing about lore is it's flexible to fit things.
While Zul'Aman's purpose was a bunch of Redneck Treasure fiends sending in adventurer's who really didn't understand WHAT they were getting into. I mean, WE know there was Zul'Jin, the biggest baddy... But did our character's? When they went in, it was a story of treasure, that led us into a battle with one of the biggest baddies of them all. Possibly preventing war on the Horde.
I feel it was pretty epic there.
So with DEHTA, sure Druids aren't crazy, but that doesn't mean that ALL Druids aren't. Maybe some are so fundamental about some teachings they ignore some for some movement. And I think having that gives a bit of change. Because as a character in a story, we go to Northrend for a few, but mainly one, reason. And that's Arthas. But when we get there, we discover a lot more, and sometimes it's silly adventures with a Druid radical group, Venture Co's latest crazy plots, or dealing with some of our past foe like Arugal.
If it's always gonna be an Epic battle everywhere you go, doesn't exactly have perspective. All the dungeons would suck if you change from being a Warrior for your people, who comes to town and aids them in need while continuing his quest, to being everyone's Superman. "Ah, Player, thank god you're here! The Undead are attacking our camp, kill all of them. No... We know you can do it, trust me, we know. You're our only hope."
Raze Aug 12th 2008 10:27AM
There's an in-game rock band. After seeing that, I called Lorelol and realized even Blizzard doesn't take the settings seriously anymore. Why should I, in that case?
I just try and ignore the pop culture references and enjoy the scenery.
Badger Aug 12th 2008 11:05AM
"There's an in-game rock band. After seeing that, I called Lorelol and realized even Blizzard doesn't take the settings seriously anymore. Why should I, in that case?"
A thousand, thousand times QFT.
Minidrake Aug 12th 2008 7:31PM
You just don't like music with rocks in. Whilst you grouse, the rest of us will groove to "Pathway to Paradise" by Lead Balloon.
Fraytyle Aug 12th 2008 10:31AM
"My personal pet peeve is Haris Pilton, it's enough that I have to see her plastered over everything in real life."
Really? I don't. Maybe you should try broadening your cultural boundaries. The world doesn't end with the national Enquirer you know.
Also, I think the DEHTA idea is a really fun one.