Breakfast Topic: Does the levity mess up the lore?
Warning: Wrath spoilers ahead!
Blizzard's pretty good at Lore when they want to be, with the whole 2.4 storyline, the Battle of Ahn'Qiraj, and many epic storylines promising to come out of Northrend. At the same time, they also have their own offbeat brand of humor that is never far gone from their design philosophy, and it shows up in their stories too.
Sometimes it serves them well and adds a bit of levity, but other time, it seems to take on a life of its own, a life that can strangle what could have otherwise been something compelling and interesting. Zul'Aman is perhaps the most pertinent example. What could have been the last attempt of the Farstriders to shut down the troll menace threatening their people, what could have been a revival of the Troll killing tradition of the Arathi, or an examination of the High Elves who stayed loyal to the Alliance but still hate the Amani, instead turned into a cheap redneck treasure hunt. It killed much of the allure of the zone and turned what could have been a epic struggle against a former hero of the Horde into a run of the mill bunny bashing session.
It feels sort of the same way with Hemet Nesingwary and the DHETA. It's been a running gag that Hemet must be some sort of incredible genocidal maniac who's run countless animal species into extinction. Yet there's never been any indication until now that he is. In fact, the Tauren, who by all indication are Hunters who still understand the need for balance and harmony with nature, seem to have respect for him.
Yet here's this DHETA group, a maniacal group of radicals who eschew any killing of animals at all, looking to bring him down. As a Druid roleplayer, I've never seen Druids as the type to lean so radically to one side like that. They've always, in my mind, understood the need to kill, the cycle of predator and prey, and there are druid quests that would seem to bear that out -- the very wearing of leather armor would seem to bear that out. So how am I supposed to reconcile the Cenarion Circle I know with a cheap joke about PETA?
Then again, Hemet himself is sort of part of Blizzard's lightheartedness to begin with, his name and original camp in Stranglethorn Vale being one big Hemingway joke. So it could be I'm reading too much into it. What do you think?
Filed under: Analysis / Opinion, Virtual selves, Breakfast Topics, Lore, RP, Wrath of the Lich King
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Reader Comments (Page 4 of 5)
Zali Aug 12th 2008 10:39AM
Saying that appreciating Paris Hilton somehow broadens someones cultural horizens is like saying Chicken McNuggets are a unique experience in Fine Dining.
Braundo Aug 12th 2008 11:01AM
@Zali:
I think he/she is saying that "if you think Paris Hilton's name is plastered 'all over everything', you clearly need to see/read more things aside from the National Enquirer because there are a lot of things in the world that don't mention Paris Hilton whatsoever."
Lev M. Aug 12th 2008 11:39AM
Yeah, I don't know what rock you've been hiding under, but every supposedly serious news outlet has had something about her at some point.
Go check out CNN, New York Times etc.
Trust me, if I could go to a world where she doesn't exist, I would. Unfortunately, Blizzard even took that away from me.
Carrie Aug 12th 2008 10:51AM
Yes, you are reading too much into it.
Maddeh Aug 12th 2008 10:53AM
Zali, that's not what s/he's saying, at all.
Fraytyle is saying that s/he doesn't see paris hilton plastered everywhere, and telling Lev to get a life and stop reading the national inquirer
Badger Aug 12th 2008 11:03AM
"As a Druid roleplayer, I've never seen Druids as the type to lean so radically to one side like that."
I have five words for you: "Night Elves In Warcraft 3."
derella Aug 12th 2008 11:10AM
Warcraft has never been a serious setting... It's been littered with humour and pop culture references since the beginning.
Simon Aug 12th 2008 11:12AM
@Zali:
OK, fair enough that you thought the Area 52 Goblins were fine - I just thought the pacing was bad i.e. as soon as you enter what you know to be one of the TBC endzones, you see Star Trek attired Gobins...
And yeah, I didn't like the 'Starship Trooper Gnomes in Blade's Edge, either!
WoW is a fantastic game, it's just that the jokes and references to other pop-culture sci-fi/fantasy got a bit out of hand with TBC - I started to wonder if Blizzard actually had many original creative thoughts knocking around anymore...
Skettis = Skeksi's from Jim Henson's 'The Dark Crystal' (i.e. they didn't really even change the name much)
The Naaru - the 'unified' creatures at the end of the same movie above
Tempest Keep/Exodar - 'The Citadel' from 'Krull' (not to mention Illidan's weapons which are a direct lift of 'The Glaive' the iconic weapon in this movie.
Etc. etc. - Blizzard are over-dosing on early 80's fantasy!
Doffencrag Aug 12th 2008 1:04PM
"not to mention Illidan's weapons which are a direct lift of 'The Glaive' the iconic weapon in this movie."
Wasn't the Glaive in Krull basically a switchblade-slash-shuriken rather than a pair of hand weapons?
Snuzzle Aug 12th 2008 5:32PM
I'm glad I am not the only one who noticed the Skeksis! That was my first thought on seeing the model. I still love the race just for only that reason :)
Theungry Aug 12th 2008 11:21AM
I come from a family of hunters, some for meat and some for sport. I see a lot of honor in both, one is a source of food and a relationship with animals as a precious resource. The other (in its honorable form) seeks to find the most impressive example of a species and actually challenge ones self in its capture. People who shoot endangered species from helicopters are just losers with a lot of money, and bear no resemblance to hunters.
All that said, I find both Nesingwary and DHETA trite. They are not funny OR interesting as commentary.
Lev M. Aug 12th 2008 11:44AM
Wait, are we talking World of Warcraft, or Warcraft in general? Don't remember much of the pop-culture references in the rts games.
Doffencrag Aug 12th 2008 1:01PM
There were a lot of pop culture references in the original RTS games, but they were hidden well. To get to them, you'll have to click each unit several times - you got a lot of references to Monty Python, Spider-man, Jim Henson's Muppets, etc...
Tenchan Aug 12th 2008 11:45AM
Not to be overtly serious about a game, but I don't see how Nesingwary can -not- be seen as a foul little ass. He doesn't hunt to keep the crazy WoW ecosystem in balance, to protect anyone, for survival or to train his own strength. He hunts to have trophies and for fun, according to his own words. I fail to see how it's a 'gag' to see him as a maniac, when he slaughters living beings for sports.
I also don't really care about the joke behind DEHTA. They seem pretty convincing to me, if extreme in some of their quests.
ZA, on the other hand, pissed me off less because of the stupid jokes, and more because the NPCs out there are some of the most despicable trash I've ever seen displayed in WoW, and it makes it impossible to find any sympathy for my quest givers.
*shrug* Maybe I just don't see the jokes immediately because I haven't grown up with American pop culture.
The Hammer Aug 12th 2008 12:24PM
Ooops! You better not tell Terry Pratchett that parodies and rock bands can get in the way of a coherent, believeable and coherent world!
Anteia Aug 12th 2008 1:43PM
Win. XD Actually. I really do think Terry Pratchett offers some incredibly powerful commentary amongst his parody too. And yes, Discworld is an absurd world... but he's also made me laugh and cry within just a few pages in his books. Pratchett is a perfect example of how one can have politics, humor, and serious problems all in one world.
D.E.H.T.A. is an example of something that appears very funny, but an issue that exists in our world as well. I mean, I know Video games have never made political statements before but... oh wait. That's right. Alot of them do. And the very premise of WOW is the clash of idealogies, cultures, and histories. The idea of keeping up a fight just because that's how it's always been done and hey, they totally knocked our drink over in kindergarten and you KNOW they did it on purpose...
DEHTA builds up slowly. At first, it's simply freeing animals from a trap...then there's a quest that actually KILLS the trappers in their own traps. Which was morbid as hell. I was kinda horrified. (Can you tell I've avoided 99% of Forsaken quests on my Horde characters?) Then, you're finally send after Harold. Not that, you know, I'm inclined to feel sorry for him because he made me bloody get him furs and he was totally faking being hurt in Nagrand. But still. They even have you kill the rino one of their enemies ride because now that beast is 'tainted'. And they have a statue of Hemet in a burning circle. They are CLEARLY screwed up little druids. They want you to collect -ears- of the people who work for Hemet. To wear around their necks. It's pretty nasty. I honestly feel that people can't comment on it bringing too much 'humor' into the game until they've actually done the questlines. I felt...honestly really twisted helping them. I went through the questline, but there were alot of times I was like "Holy crap, this is just NOT COOL." And I think that's sorta the point. You're helping animals fight and freeing calfs from traps and that's good, because it IS awful to see them trapped and poached like that. But at the same time, the side that wants you to help those animals is pretty horrid too. It's two extremes and there's no middle ground. Anyone who thinks this detracts from the lore... well, I admit I don't RP in WoW. I run events in a text based game, though, and this sort of thing, while coming off as a parody at first... is incredibly powerful itself.
zingar Aug 12th 2008 5:41PM
jeez, if u dont like nesingwary jus dont do his quests ,as simple as that its not as his part of the main plot of the game or something... same with ZA, the quests get done once and thats it, and most ppl doesnt even read the quest text, u jus watch rewards and the obj (i read quests at least once tho but i got lots of friends who have no idea about the plot of some really long chain quests cuz they never even read 1 of em)
u should also remind urself that it IS a game, why u want it to be so serious? i dont think wow was ever meant to be serious, i mean jus watch at gnomes and emotes?? and the cartoonish graphics, etc.
no serious game will ever have emotes.
Ravenswing Aug 12th 2008 1:01PM
I have this theory that druid extremists are responsible for equipping all those animals you find with chainmail trousers and magic axes. I can't think of another reason for a bear to be wearing a magic tiara.
Girum on Vashj Aug 12th 2008 2:00PM
Win xD
PimpyMicPimp Aug 12th 2008 3:41PM
Meh, after Shaman Space Goats, I really don't take it as seriously as I used too.