Officers' Quarters: Padding your resume
Every Monday Scott Andrews contributes Officers' Quarters, a column about the ins and outs of guild leadership.I'm not sure how, because I usually avoid the topic around "civilians," but the subject of Warcraft came up a few weeks ago as I was speaking with a co-worker in my department. I don't mean my glamorous position blogging for WoW Insider that has made me a globally recognized household name -- in this case, I'm talking about my corporate, Clark Kent job. When you talk about the Lich King there, people think it's some kind of organic fast-food restaurant.
During this conversation I started talking about my role as a guild leader. While I was explaining it, I realized just how much of this role I've applied to situations in my office life. Wouldn't a company value this type of training? The author of this week's e-mail asks just how to present your guild leadership experience to a potential employer.
It's not easy to be the GM/officer/leader in a successful guild, regardless of how you define 'successful.' We work hard to keep drama at a minimum, create an environment where our members are comfortable and having fun, recruit new folks, 'fire' bad seeds among many other duties and obligations. All while developing our own toons, often to be on par with the best of the rest.
To me, that sounds like a great resume builder for the real world. Employers are looking for that kind of leadership, discipline, and knowledge.
It strikes me that running a WoW guild would make a great addition to a resume, especially since many of these leaders are younger and may not have other resume options. But even folks with more 'established' careers might want to list their WoW work along with the investment club they've founded or the softball team they captain.
What would be the best way to list the benefits of WoW leadership on a resume?
Alex
I haven't applied for any new jobs since I've taken on the GL mantle, but when I do, I'm fairly certain that I'll include this background on my resume somewhere. Is that a good idea? IBM seems to think so. MMOs are finally breaking into mainstream consciousness -- mostly due to Warcraft's unprecedented success. The game was featured on an Emmy-winning episode of South Park, parodied on The Simpsons, and even The Alchemist (from The Venture Bros.) knows about it.So it's not out of the question that the person reading your resume will have heard of this game, or at least be familiar with the concept of a perpetual online environment. They might even know what a guild is. Even so, you may be better off describing yourself as an "online community manager."
On a resume, I wouldn't list this type of position under employment experience. However, it does make a great item to put in those miscellaneous categories where you'd ordinarily list less relevant achievements like your competitive eating world records -- well, I suppose it all depends on the position you're looking for.
Space is always at a premium on a resume, so it's important to communicate the essential highlights of the role that have enhanced your corporate skills. Now of course you have to present these highlights in terms that a business manager can grasp. So, in the true spirit of a resume, we'll make them sound much more complex and difficult than they really are. Here are a few.
- Conflict resolution: Sometimes I feel like I don't do anything else.
- Crisis management: Ditto. And when there's no crisis, I'm trying to figure out where the next one is going to come from.
- Partnership negotiation: If you've ever tried to make a guild alliance work, figuring out who gets what raid slots or who's going to lead raids and who's going to main tank, you've done this.
- Personnel motivation: Every guild leader has to rally the troops now and then.
- Personnel evaluation: Raid leaders do this constantly. Who's not putting out enough DPS? Who's not researching their class mechanics? Who shows up to every raid totally stoned?
- Finance: All that gold in the guild bank wasn't put there just to rot. Is it better to invest in another bank vault, mats for resist gear, or epic gems? It's not exactly the stock market, but the wrong decisions can alienate your "investors" and reduce income.
- Asset allocation: Somebody has to figure out who gets the loot, and that unpleasantness usually falls to us.
- Entrepreneurship: It's a fancy word for starting a new business. Starting a new guild isn't much different!
- Dynamic accountability: One of the hardest things to do as an officer, but one of the most important, is admitting when we screwed up. (And everything sounds better when you put "dynamic" in front of it. Observe: dynamic lettuce. There, doesn't that make lettuce sound more exciting?)
- Corporate headhunting: Hmm, maybe it's better not to mention this one.
- Marketing: Every guild needs to find an angle that's appealing to its "customers."
- Ongoing recruitment: You've probably reviewed applications, and you may have even conducted an interview or two. You can sympathize with the poor schmo who has to read through all of our blatantly padded resumes.
When and if you are asked to share, make sure to describe the problem in real-world language. Don't expect anyone to understand MMO- or Warcraft-specific jargon like class balance, DKP, retn00bs, PUGs, specs, dailies, HOT rotations, welfare epics, L2P issues, or crowd control.
Never, ever use the phrases "grinding for mount money," "chain-pulling a heroic dungeon," or "constantly wiping on trash." You want your interviewer to be impressed by your savvy leadership, not mace you and call security.
Running a guild may be easier than shoving 66 hot dogs into your mouth in less than 12 minutes, but it's certainly more relevant to the business world!
/salute
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Reader Comments (Page 1 of 4)
Gloam Aug 18th 2008 1:09PM
What about the fact that many employers would laugh and dismiss the candidate as some kind of geek? :\
Jim Aug 18th 2008 1:11PM
I would say no, nunca, never. As much work as it is and as commendable as we all think it sounds, it also sounds like you don't understand professional presentation and boundaries. I love WoW, but if someone came in and talked about it, I can't imagine them getting a call back.
That being said, I am going to wear a suit every day until I die, so maybe some people in tech or creative careers could have a better perspective.
Jim Aug 18th 2008 1:12PM
That's a general "you", not a "you, Scott."
Liel Aug 18th 2008 1:20PM
I would laugh if a resume like this ever crossed my desk. BUT on the other hand the person used it to cross over into other real life activities such as having a succesful blog this would show writing/communication skills. I would only allow stuff like this for an entry level position.
Clint Aug 18th 2008 4:57PM
^agreed.
I think this type of stuff can be excellent, if you know how to speak about it in a professional manner and you are applying for an entry level position. If you are going for mid-level or higher, an interviewer is going to most assuredly want to see this kind of experience from RL situations and not in a gaming environment.
Nonetheless, if you are looking to 'fill out' a resume, WoW leadership can definitely be presented in a good light.
ScorchHellfire Aug 18th 2008 8:44PM
entry level huh? you know jeff kaplan... the lead dungeon and raid designer for wow... he was hired straight to that position at the beginning of development on wow... why? because he was the leader of a big raiding guild in everquest...
yeah its totally only good for entry level positions... oh wait...
it seems to me like all you people that play wow and say they would laugh if you saw someones resume with that on it suck at what you do and should propably quit wow or your job... or both...
Liel Aug 18th 2008 9:29PM
@ScorchHellfire
Oh wait Jeff Kaplan got a job applying for a GAME COMPANY. Think getting a job being good at a GAME with a game company is the same as saying your good at a game applying for a job as a supervisor of a non game company?
You sound like your 14 so I will stop here.
Rainnajax Aug 18th 2008 1:20PM
I had a discussion recently with my supervisor who is aware that I play WoW and of my role as a co-GL of a casual raiding guild. We discussed that at a conference she recently went to about internet-based customer service, that people who are MMO gamers are better at multitasking, handling online conversation and are better at the communication where you can't see eye contact or body language. There have also been some academic research published about MMO's and management education.
I think that ultimately, you have to know the company you are interviewing with. Some companies would value that experience, other's won't. Interview and Resume websites often suggest that you "learn about your potential employer" so you should have a good idea of whether or not your WoW Guild Leader experience would be of benefit or even would be considered a skill for the potential employer to understand and monopolize on by hiring you.
:-)
Rainnajax
dpoyesac Aug 18th 2008 1:21PM
This is one of those places where good research into a prospective employer is crucial. A one-size-fits-all resume should probably skip over relevant Warcraft experience, but job-seekers savvy enough to tailor a resume to specific employers can certainly get a leg up.
It's the same thing with blogging: some companies see successful blogging as a simple refuge for the terminally self-important, while other employers will see it as a real-life example of building a brand and developing deep, complex communication skills. If you include your website it will doom your chances for a second interview at some places, and put you at the top of the pack at others.
How do you tell which company is which? Bloody hell if I know; I think work is for suckers.
Blayed Aug 18th 2008 1:22PM
"Observe: dynamic lettuce."
I lol'd.
I reread.
I lol'd again.
Co-workers looked at me funny.
Fugmug Aug 18th 2008 1:27PM
Dangerous post. Putting stupid ideas in people's heads when it concerns their financial future is nefariously mean, Scott. And yes, I know mean.
In case any of you huntards who need roll on cloth are confused, remember only one thing:
During any interview at a firm that is not a graphics/gaming company, you have a better shot at getting hired if you stand up and slap the interviewer than if you mention *ANY* kind of video gaming.
NEVER NEVER NEVER mention any kind of qualities that you think are positive that you learned from a video game environment in an interview, unless you suddenly decide you don't want the job and want the interviewer to wrap it up quickly.
Even as a gamer myself, if someone were to present that to me during an interview, it would *NOT* be viewed favorably.
theRaptor Aug 18th 2008 11:06PM
Why? Because you are a weak minded fool who is brain washed by his peers? Because you are secretly ashamed that you enjoy a hobby that doesn't involve scoring touch downs or banging club chicks?
Grow a spine. I wouldn't hire anyone who was so ashamed of their hobbies that they wouldn't even mention them.
Fugmug Aug 19th 2008 11:19AM
ROFL! Oh Noez! I got "theRaptor" upset!
Sorry I pissed on your past-time, pockmarks, but you go right ahead and list all your WoW accomplishments when you're sitting across from at a potential employer.
Tell them how 'weak-minded' they are when you don't get an offer or a callback for 2nd rounds.
And keeping topics is the proper setting is not shame, although I'm sure you've experienced enough ridicule to no longer discern the difference. I wouldn't mention WoW in an interview any more than I would mention the nasty details of changing one of my kids diapers at a lunch table. Just because you don't understand the difference, doesn't mean that one doesn't exist, mmmkay?
And I have news for you:
"Banging a club chick" > Anything in WoW.
You should try it sometime.
Fug
native Aug 18th 2008 1:34PM
i'd jump at hiring a WoW player.
thats what i'd want. more people at work reading WoW Insider, researching specs, googling youtube videos of WoTLK Beta, working on their guild website, etc.
if anyone EVER handed me a resume that touted WoW playing as a positive i'd lol like a MF'er and toss it in the trash.
get real.
ScorchHellfire Aug 18th 2008 8:31PM
you and fugmug need to diaf... seriously people like you are hypocrits... dont post on a wow fansite if you dont give a crap about the community and its clear that you dont if youd laugh at someone for putting that on their resume when you understand what a responsibility it is running a guild...
besides it seems to me that putting on your resume could even help you get a job like a laproscopic surgeon... just read the article that was just put out about wow players being better surgeons...
lol at that you stupid "MFer"s... stop playing wow because you clearly dont appreciate it...
native Aug 19th 2008 10:10AM
scorch:
Thats what I want at my business.
Boss: So Scorch, I couldn't help but notice I haven't seen your report on our WIP yet. This is a pretty important measurment of our continous improvement. Can you get that to me by Friday?
Scorch: WTF boss. Gawd that fu.cking noob in Materials Managment Bill Johnson is to busy jerking it to get me the numbers i axed for. God. Go diaf and stop beingg a duche. i ran a big guild and it was reely tuff. fuk u think i wanted to stay up till 2:30 doing my dailys last nite? NO but thats the lvl of comittment i bringg to shit. gawd. jst fuk off and diaf assho. i KNOW the WoW lifestyle. I appreciate teh game. so gimme a raise because i hve a hobby.
Whytehand Aug 18th 2008 1:39PM
I think it would really depend on the company, but it would also speak volumes about the company you are applying with if they didnt laugh you out of the office. It think it would be something I would leave in the skills section of a resume, and leave it for someone to ask me about in an interview, which would give me the chance to defend my position. Lots of employers ask you about whether you play sports/are active on a team/what hobbies or outside interests you have. Being able to elaborate on how they help you in life can be a good thing. It doesnt hurt that in many ways guildleadership is almost kin to coaching a sports team/organizing groups or fundraisers. If an employer is so short sited that they cant realise that, I dont think they will be reaching/staying in the fortune 500 for long. Where as an employer who realises that shows an open mind and the ability to accept new(er) ideas and concepts, and I personally think they would provide an excellent employment opportunity.
I say this after 7 years of para-military leadership training and command, as well having taught at a highschool level, and having been an editor at a paper for 2 years including acting EiC
Drew Aug 18th 2008 4:10PM
I had something like this on my resume, and it helped me get my current job as a process engineer with a major contractor.
I have been a co-raid leader and co-guild leader for about 3-4 years now, so I've picked up a lot on how to lead large groups of people and communicate effectively. While I didn't explicitly say that I played WoW, I did say on my resume that I have experience leading small organizations and conducting group-oriented activities every week.
It helped me get my current job, and nearly landed me a few others in the process. At the very least it was a good talking point with potential employers.
But I agree with what many have said, in that you should not explicitly say you play WoW. You don't go into a job interview and immediately break out into discussion about fantasy football leagues, golfing, or your favorite baseball team, after all.
wendy Aug 18th 2008 2:39PM
I would not be inclined to hire anyone who admitted to me that they played WoW - even though I play myself. I had a student last year who talked to me a lot about WoW at the beginning of the semester, he was the GM of an end-game guild (BT/Hyjal a year ago) and probably did very well in-game managing his crew. But he stopped coming to class and failed.
I would expect the same out of anyone dedicated to Warcraft, whether that perception is fair or not.
ScorchHellfire Aug 18th 2008 8:37PM
it isnt a fair perception... everyone who says that they play this game and still would see it as a negative need to stop playing wow because they dont deserve to be part of the community...