Ask a Lore Nerd: Books, boats and Blood Knights

Without further ado, let's get to the questions. Justin of Firetree-US wrote in to ask...
Along the coastline in the Swamp of Sorrows there are skeletons of giant turtles with structures built onto the back of their shells. Is this a nod to the Gnome submarines used in Warcraft II? If I remember correctly, they were turtles as well.
While yes, the Gnomes did use the turtles as submarines in Warcraft II, they aren't the only ones that have made use of them. According to a few quests in Darkshore, the Naga have put the Giant turtles to work as transports. Also, in Wrath of the Lich King, the Tuskarr use giant turtles with carriages on their backs as transportation as well. In fact, you can use them to get from one end of Northrend to the other. Edit: I was wrong, the Gnomes didn't use the turtles. It was a Horde unit. Same answer applies, though.
wrez asked...
There are many Warcraft novels on the market. Are they a good source of canon lore, and if so, in what order should I read them in?
You're going to get mixed answers on this one, so perhaps our readers will give you a second opinion on it after my answer. Speaking strictly of the novels, I definitely recommend Beyond the Dark Portal, Rise of the Horde and Lord of the Clans. That's the order I would read them in, but any order should be fine. They're specific points in history, but there's enough of a gap between them that chronological order isn't mandatory. They weren't even written in that order, so it's no big deal.
I don't personally enjoy Richard Knaak, but Day of the Dragon is worthwhile simply because it sets the stage for a few things and gives you a little bit of understanding of why the Red Dragonflight and the Kirin Tor are buddies up in Northrend beyond "the Blue Dragons are killing our mans." Plus, it's one of his earlier Warcraft novels, so Rhonin isn't a complete joke in this one yet.
I would not read the other Richard Knaak novels if you're looking for anything canon. The War of the Ancients is an event that happened in Warcraft lore, but Knaak's telling of it in the War of the Ancients Trilogy is not entirely canon, according to a Community Manager's post on the WoW forums sometime back. If you've read Richard Knaak before and enjoy him, by all means, give them a read. I really am not a fan though, so I'd personally say give that trilogy a pass. If you do read it, reading Day of the Dragon first may be wise, but not mandatory. The trilogy takes place after that and heavily uses Knaak's own characters, rather than Blizzard-made characters, so they're not something you would have learned about in WoW or the other Warcraft games.
The rest of the novels are sort of take it or leave it. They give you a good background of the lore, but I wouldn't call them must-reads. I recommend them, but you won't die if you don't pick them up. Cycle of Hatred in particular was not something I would read more than once, but I am glad I read it that one time.
I wouldn't tell you to not read any of them, but some are definitely much better than others. The War of the Ancients trilogy is decent fan service if that's what you're into, but the events are non-canon and it's so gratuitously fan-servicey it makes me a bit ill. The rest is up to you.
They've done a pretty good job of making the various novels independent of one another, so you don't need to read them in chronological order unless they explicitly state which order they go in, like the aforementioned trilogy. Don't worry about what comes first otherwise. Pick out whichever ones look most interesting to you. Wowwiki has a full listing of all of the current Warcraft novels.
By the way, for those of you that have read all of the Warcraft novels already, are you as excited about Arthas as I am?
thatquietgamerdude asked...
You see Burning Legion teleporters all over the place, bringing in demons from the Twisting Nether. Why did Kil'jaeden have to be summoned through the Sunwell? Couldn't he just step through one of the teleporters?
It's possible that it's just a story hook that they used for Killy J, but there's some history with this sort of thing in Warcraft. The bigger the demon, the more juice it takes to summon them. For example, in the War of the Ancients, Sargeras had to be summoned via the Well of Eternity. During the Third War, Archimonde needed Kel'thuzad to arrange a special ritual to bring him to Azeroth. Kil'Jaeden is pretty darn powerful, considering he's the current head of the Burning Legion with Sargeras out of the picture. Regular Legion teleporters can't handle the big dogs, I suppose.
Mizzle asked...
I went back and read the article about The Scythe of Elune, and it reminded me of all those book I pick up for my hunter in Kara, The Torment of the Worgen, and the Singed Page you receive after using it. Is there any lore indicating who wrote those books in Kara or who they are about? I'd be very interested to learn about all 4 of them (not just the Worgen) if there is any info out there about them.
As far as I know, those aren't retellings of any 'real' events that happened or have any connection to anybody. They use 'real' concepts like the Worgen, the Titans, et cetera, but they're just stories. Works of fiction within the work of fiction that is Warcraft. Epic tales of gallantry or horror or whatever. They're really cool, but I don't think they're meant to be much more than that. It's just really, really cool flavor used to deliver a fun buff.
Zachary Hill asks...
I don't know if this truly counts as a lore question, but I was wondering if Blood Elf Death Knights would be called something special, since they are technically not Paladins, but Blood Knights. And looking at the lore from tabletop games such as Dungeons and Dragons, a Death Knight would be basically a fallen paladin. I back this up in WoW lore with the Wrath of the Lich King teaser, where the first death knight (can't remember the name, Arthas?) changes from a paladin to a DK. After he "falls" no less.
Not all Death Knights are fallen Paladins. A lot of them are (and Arthas was) but not all of them. The Scourge is not especially picky about what you were in life. They only care about your capabilities. If you're strong, you can become a Death Knight, no matter who you are. If you're not strong, you'll probably be used as a ghoul or some other fodder.
So no, Blood Knights do not get a special name as Death Knights. A Death Knight is a Death Knight. Paladins may be prime candidate for Death Knighthood, but that's the extent of it. Warriors, Rogues, Farmers, they could all potentially be Death Knights.
ionesco asks...
Why do Gnome NPCs sometimes say "Daylight's burning!" as a greeting? Seems somewhat odd for a generally cheerful race. A reference to Gnomeregan, or because they lived underground and now they're scurrying up top with all the other races, perhaps they're a little photosensitive?
Well, heh, I don't think they mean it in a "Your star burns!" kind of way. It's an expression that means something like "you're wasting time!" Sort of how Goblins say "Time is money." Hurry up, don't dilly dally, that sort of thing.
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Reader Comments (Page 3 of 3)
wrez Aug 24th 2008 10:22PM
Thank you for posting my question, Mr. Ziebart. It has been some time since I asked it and I had come to believe it would be left unanswered.
And a sincere thank you to all the commenters for their suggestions. Now to begin acquiring these books...
Baluki Aug 24th 2008 10:29PM
Wow, I'm shocked by all the Knaak hate here. Were you guys reading the same books I was?
Kiukiu Aug 24th 2008 11:11PM
Knaak tries to involve pretty much every single character ever vaguely alluded to in all Warcraft lore, invents a few fillers and Redshirts and throws them all together in a fairly boring manner. A better author would've used these figures themselves and fleshed them out more (using...say...a plot or an imperative [like, I dunno, the world blowing up or some other Hollywood nonsense] to move them along, not his own characters)...seeing as how it's a story about the lore, not his characters.
Making them so central to the stories pretty much killed it for me. The lore established about them already is interesting enough and elaborating on them more (to the point where they are more important than his own) would really have been more impressive.
Also having fewer of them would've worked fine too. It was like those old episodes of Transformers where they just randomly stretched things out far enough to get X Red Dude on the screen for a few minutes, say a cool line and hope that kids bought his action figure.
Maybe I'm a fanboi when I want to read about Warcraft lore in a Warcraft lore book like -oh, I dunno- some of the other considerably better Warcraft lore books previously published by Blizzard. If I wanted to read about a fanfic with new characters in X event, I would do so. Some of those are very good and offer interesting insights to major events. I'd rather hear about those major events themselves myself.
But meh...maybe that's just a fanboi's curse. They don't realise they're retarded arrogant dickheads.
derpxorz Aug 24th 2008 11:22PM
Knaak is canon people, just face it.
And Arthas is a meh character, I dont find him interesting.
A blood spec blood elf is bloody.
Dunwich Aug 25th 2008 6:16AM
"Canon" doesn't mean "good".
muxecoid Aug 24th 2008 11:23PM
Following someone's else question on human shadow priests.
I'm a troll arcane mage. As I know trolls hate arcane for 10K years, know that it corrupts and think of it as of a big no-no. While being frost/fire mage is more or less OK for a troll, it is kinda elemental I feel that shamies in Orgrimmar would banish me if they knew I'm arcane, any ideas?
Also troll mages are a fairly new class. They could possibly trained hastily by Jaina or her mages before battle of mount hyjal according to some sources of lore. Can we expect more horde classes in later Warcraft games, for example tauren paladins?
I-R-PALADIN? Aug 24th 2008 11:57PM
hey whats Medivh up to these days? i havent heard much about him sence WCIII he wasnt even mentioned in the expansion... i think.
Reinard Aug 25th 2008 12:34AM
Ummm...Karazhan?
Unless you mean he wasn't mentioned in WotLK, in which case, he's likely not. He's sort of...dead. He came back in WC3 as a spirit to help thwart Archimonde, and then disappeared to let the races solve their own problems, emphasizing that the world didn't need a Guardian anymore.
LAURA Aug 25th 2008 10:21PM
Knaak annoys me in several ways; he overuses the same words to the point of hilarity. (He loves "leviathan" instead of "dragon", for example.) And his occasional blunt description of violence contrasts with his incredibly clumsy handling of anything involving friendship or romance. Here we are with mythic characters in mythic times and we get people sniggering over Tyrande's "time of choosing." Rhonin and Vereesa get *zero* support for how it is they supposedly fall in love; Rhonin just, you know, thinks of her a lot while feeling strange feelings. What is he, 12?? Oh, yeah, he's a seasoned Kirin Tor wizard with mad skills and buddies with one of the Aspect's boyfriends, but he has trouble talking with gurlz, you know. And the great love triangle between Malfurion, Illidan and Tyrande? OMG. They could be passing notes in junior high and have more passion and romance.
This sort of contrast makes me feel like Knaak thinks all his readers are about 10.
And yeah, Rhonin is a Mary Sue.
I also get annoyed at the low level of game-like magic which appears in Knaak's books. While I don't insist he start spinning purple cubes, for a while, it seemed that the only things he did right were figuring out a simple cantrip type spell to do something it was not designed for or...um...wait...what other magic did he do?? Hmmmm. Nothing much, until the the plot suddenly needed a mage/wizard and not someone to stand around and ask dim questions.
None of the books can stand alone as a fantasy novel, which is another fault, but one you can generally apply to most media-based fiction. But I do often wonder what could happen to these stories in the hands of more mature authors writing for a more demanding readership.
Syme Aug 25th 2008 3:59PM
"Daylight's burning" is a common expression where I live. It refers to the need to not waste time because there is only so much time to accomplish what needs to be done. Of course it originated with people who had to accomplish their work before the sun set.
ScorchHellfire Aug 25th 2008 11:46PM
i think the guy asking about the death knight paladin thing is confused...
the wotlk teaser does not show arthas falling at all... thats just some random guy... warcraft 3 is where arthas slowly changes to his death knight self dude...
please stop jumping to conclusions based on nonexistant info...
ScorchHellfire Aug 25th 2008 11:54PM
um... when have the trolls ever been against arcane? certainly not in the corrupting sense seeing how as they practice voodoo and other dark magics...
its nelfs you are thinking of dude... get your info straight...
Kevin Aug 26th 2008 7:07AM
I liked Knaak (athough I had my doubts about Rhonin
Kevin Aug 26th 2008 7:09AM
Lol, lost the rest of my post, too lazy to rewrite
Point being: War of the Ancients sucked, The Sundering sucks and blows, Knaak can't write Romance worth fuckall.
I think this version is actually more coherent.
sasha vukelic Aug 26th 2008 7:57AM
i have a QUESTION
well its not exactly lore but i hope someone can help
i was browsing the common.mpq the other day and found and interesting piece of music \Sound\Music\ZoneMusic\TavernHorde\undead_dance.mp3
after listening it i liked it and got very nostaligic... but i cant remember where i heard it ingame! someone plz help, tnx!!
Nonny Aug 26th 2008 4:55PM
I haven't read of Christie Golden's Warcraft novels yet, but I have read her non-media related fiction from Luna Books (the Dancers series) and was very impressed with them. If any of the current Warcraft writers can do Arthas justice, it's her.