Ask a Lore Nerd: And two stealthed rogues

We'll start off with Cole's write-in question...
Why can Rogues use Maces but not Axes? What's so sneaky about hammers but not about edged blades of death?
Well, this is likely more game mechanics than anything. They need to split up which weapons can be used by what classes evenly, or you get a severe loot imbalance. If you want to justify it in-character, maces are really, really good at stopping your opponent, rendering them unable to fight back, or fight ever again. A cut leaves a scar, a shattered bone leaves a cripple.
The Mace Spec that everyone hated so much in PvP? That's pretty much how it goes with maces in real life. You thonk someone on the head, and they're out of it. I could see a Rogue playing dirty like that. Coming up from behind, cracking someone over the head, then swinging low and shattering the next guy's kneecap.
Why can't they use axes? Probably no compelling reason besides game balance, though I'm sure they would be harder to use in a Rogue-y fashion than swords, daggers or hammers. Axes are probably the most unforgiving of all of the bladed weapons. You want a hard swing, not so much an elegant stroke, a well-placed shiv, or a busted joint. Axes tend to be more about being heavy and using momentum to cut, rather than sharp edges. Not always, but that's their tendency. Maybe they weren't graceful enough to make the cut*? Who knows.
Eternauta asked...
Why did they retcon the Draenei lore from WCIII to WoW BC? What was wrong with the original lore (ugly, thin, primitive Draenei).
I'm pretty sure the biggest reason for it is that they had a cool idea and they rolled with it. There was no conspiracy or plot, or anything like that. I kind of have to agree with it, too. As much as I dislike retcons, I think this one worked out for the better. I loves me some Draenei.
Even if they used the old Draenei, the Lost Ones, they would need to do some storytelling anyway. We knew very little about them, or how they became shriveled little beasts. I don't think this retcon was a terrible one, since they wove the 'new' Draenei with the 'old' Draenei rather well, with Akama being a nice focal point for that. The only issue is the "Which came first, Sargeras or the Eredar?" thing. Chris Metzen himself said, in different words, 'We had an idea, we liked it, we went with it and mixed some stuff up on the way. We like this better though, so that's how it'll be.'
Who are those Draenei acolytes all around Auchindoun? Why are they hostile, aren't Draenei supposed to be 'good guys'?
Every races has its oddities. Think of the Auchindoun Acolytes as a cult, similar to how Lordaeron had the Cult of the Damned. You cannot possibly have a large civilization without having people who are eccentric, people who go against the grain, have different beliefs. Auchindoun is the perfect environment to birth that sort of situation, considering there have been multiple massive wars there, the territory has changed hands multiple times, the Burning Legion's involvement, and the whole D'ore soul-sucking bit. Just because the player race Draenei are 'good guys' doesn't mean their species lacks diversity.
I would call the Humans (of Stormwind) 'good guys' (though many will disagree) when they're not being used and manipulated by the Black Dragonflight (though even through that, they generally fight for what's 'right'), but you still get the Defias and such.
I-R-PALADIN? asked...
What's Medivh up to these days? I haven't heard much about him since WCIII. He wasn't even mentioned in the expansion.
Well, he's certainly in The Burning Crusade, though his 'present' self isn't. Nobody knows what he's doing right now, in the present day, or even if he's still alive. He's probably vacationing on a beach somewhere, sick of that Guardian crap.
Muxecold asked...
I'm a troll arcane mage. As I know trolls hate arcane for 10K years, know that it corrupts and think of it as of a big no-no. While being frost/fire mage is more or less OK for a troll, it is kinda elemental I feel that shamies in Orgrimmar would banish me if they knew I'm arcane, any ideas?
I haven't seen or read anything about Trolls being against the Arcane. Do you have a source? Maybe there's quest dialogue somewhere that I missed, but as far as I know the Trolls don't actively have anything against the Arcane. I see that in the early Troll quests it mentions they believe that magic has the power to corrupt, but that's not exclusive to Trolls. I think almost everyone in Azeroth believes that, including the Kirin Tor of Dalaran.
Bryan wrote in to ask...
What happened to Turalyon and Alleria after the events of "Beyond the Dark Portal?" The book acts as if they should still be hanging out in Outland, but WoWwiki says they stepped into the twisting nether in a scene that is similar to what happened in the book, but they came back from the portal.
They're on another portal world, supposedly. Neither Draenor nor Azeroth. They were originally going to be in The Burning Crusade, but squeezing in another world didn't fit the pace of the expansion, from what I understand.
Dawn wrote in to ask...
I was wandering around Northern STV while levelling an alt and noticed (again), those really big doors that are sitting closed in the water to the north, on the border of Westfall & STV. Any clue as to what those giant doors are closing up?
Those doors are the back of the Deadmines. That's the way Van Cleef and the crew were going to get their brand new ship out of there. Through those doors, down the river, then up to Stormwind to lay siege.
*Not a pun.
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Reader Comments (Page 1 of 3)
wowblogger Sep 7th 2008 3:09PM
Rogues with axes would be quite scary. Imagine a rogue popping out of stealth and going mental with two blunt axes. Not a pretty sight...
Ingame I am sure the decision was just about balance and game mechanics. Maces suit rogues a lot more and swords and daggers even more so.
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Darnodus Sep 7th 2008 8:05PM
If I remember correctly, the position of the blade on axes actually makes it so that your blows will be less precise (maces counterbalancing this by simply increasing the contact surface). Also, with and axe you can't stab, or pummel, your enemy, it requires your to "chop" into you enemy, which is in all honestly, not really rogue-ish.
venumus Sep 7th 2008 3:11PM
in response to your comment about being sneaky with an axe..
you dont think that you could chop somones had off quickly? or fingers? hands or other extremety? axes are the most efficient cutting tools.
the french used them and are named after them (the franciscan look it up) and they did alot of 'roguish' things.
just food for thought.
but yeah its probably for game mechanics. you cant have every player use every weapon
Sprucegoose Sep 7th 2008 3:21PM
What about warriors they can use every weapon except wands.
Terrant Sep 7th 2008 3:28PM
Well, warriors dedicate themselves to using weapons, so it makes sense they'd be able to use almost everything. Rogues dedicate themselves to a particular kind of sneaky fighting; thus, it's less likely the average rogue would spend time to use every possible weapon.
Iwanttobeasleep Sep 7th 2008 3:42PM
Actually it's really hard to chop someone's head off quickly. Hence the invention of the guillotine. Usually it took a few strokes, and that's with gravity working for you.
hpavc Sep 7th 2008 4:03PM
Typically its back stab, stab to vitals, bleeding the vitals, slit throat, and sapping the thief does. Decapitations and mega damage due to weapons themselves are not the thieves job.
Thats why rogues are so heavy dependent on crit mechanics.
Erika Sep 7th 2008 6:23PM
Axes+Sharpening Stone=Guillotine I am angry about it myself. Why cant hunters uses maces.
dan Sep 7th 2008 3:13PM
It probably has more to do with the fantasy setting and borrowing concepts from things like D&D then mechanics really. A sap or a blackjack is a blunt weapon that's easy to conceal and sneaky and good for stunning people. The closest wow has to that sort of thing are maces.
zeed Sep 7th 2008 3:16PM
so thats what those doors are for
Sprucegoose Sep 7th 2008 3:19PM
The rogue mace vs. axe question got me thinking, Why cant hunters use maces? Is it that hunters only use sharp weapons or is it another balance issue. I feel kinda left out because all the fun "vanity" weapons are maces.
Sirg Sep 7th 2008 5:43PM
Rogues and maces are a weird combination anyway. At least a rogue wielding 2 bulky maces. I think wow should have a STR/AGI requirement for weapons like other games... but that's to complicated to implement now.
BTW, I think hunters have a to larger choice of melee weapons, since they are so focused on ranged weapons.
Kaizen Sep 7th 2008 3:19PM
The Defias are fighting for what's right too. After playing through that story so many times, I know they have every right to be doing what they're doing.
mcgayver Sep 7th 2008 3:54PM
Not completely. The Defias Brotherhood (Stonemasons) were actually paid, just not nearly enough as they wanted. Thanks to the nobles.
They also killed king Varian Wrynn's wife in the riot they caused afterwards. Then they fled. They now steal and murder the citizens of Stormwind's lands.. Not a very appropriate response to the original problem.
Daniel Whitcomb Sep 7th 2008 3:54PM
No, the Defias are not in the right. They're murdering innocent people, destroying their homes, and driving them from their land.
In theory, they started from a more justifiable place, but right now they are not only slaughtering and harassing innocent peasantry, but they're also in league with the Bloodsail Pirates, the Naga, and the Black Dragonflight.
They lost any right they had to be called revolutionaries some time ago. Now, they're just thugs and bandits.
minimagicman Sep 9th 2008 4:51PM
Daniel Whitcomb said...
No, the Defias are not in the right. They're murdering innocent people, destroying their homes, and driving them from their land.
In theory, they started from a more justifiable place, but right now they are not only slaughtering and harassing innocent peasantry, but they're also in league with the Bloodsail Pirates, the Naga, and the Black Dragonflight.
Whats wrong with the bloodsails? *quickly hides bloodsail hat*
Elmo Sep 7th 2008 3:21PM
About the Trolls hating arcane...
I think the guy was confused with Night Elves.
they used magic 10k years ago but really don't want anything to do with it since the Legion paid them a visit, they blew up half the world and send the Highborne across the great sea.
lolwut Sep 7th 2008 3:23PM
Imagine rogues could wield 2 handers and had titans grip.
kek
Titans grip Sep 7th 2008 10:43PM
Imagine warriors could dual wield rogues dual wielding 2 handers.
kek
Sothe Sep 7th 2008 3:26PM
I was flying around SMV the other day and I noticed something I always have but never knew what it was for. Just South of Wild Hammer Stronghold there are the ruins of the Arakkora (Bird people if thats not the actual name) All of them are dead and i believe this is because of all that went down in SMV, however by this one there are a group of summoners all channeling a spell onto a ghostly version of C'thun....Why is this? Where did it come from? Is it just to make it look more sinister ?