Guildwatch: "Are u a Tauren or a mouse?"

The "negotiating a /gkick" drama above was probably the most legendary drama this week (in fact, if you're a drama connoisseur like we are, you probably already heard about it), but we've got lots more, including the "Tauren or a mouse" quote above, and the usual weekly requisite of ninjas and loot drama. Good times, as always.
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DRAMA
- So we have a possible lead on the couple that split from Illuminaughty on Muradin a while back -- as with all of these drama tips, we should note that this is anonymous and rumored. Apparently a couple recently joined up to Exiled on Aerie Peak-H, and they brought with them 80 Hearts of Darkness, and a whole spread of epic gems, patterns, and all kinds of other stuff that probably belongs in a guild bank somewhere. Of course we can't be sure this couple pulled a ninja, but how else do you walk away from a guild with 80 Hearts of Darkness? When asked why he had so much of this stuff, the guy said he used to be the GM of a guild on another server and that he had "taken what he thought he deserved."
- Raid ID: stolen. Evidence: posted to Flickr. Normally, we'd just laugh about this, but according to Blizzard, this is now a offense against the ToS. So we'll have to see if Virulent on Naz'ghul-A is the first guild to get banned from the game for nabbing another guild's raid ID.
- This is funny: you know your guild needs something better to do when your idea of a fun Saturday night is to reroll Gnomes on another realm and make fun of people's gear. Not that a Gnome laughing at your gear should bother you so much (if a Gnome ever says something to you you don't like, aren't you just supposed to punt them?), but seriously, Original Sin of Spinebreaker, don't you have some bosses to down or something? Sudoko is a funny guy, though. "Are u a Tauren or a mouse?" And the thread turns into some serious forum flaming on page 2 -- wear your fire-retardant suit and bring the popcorn, but don't bother cooking it first.
- Unfortunately, the thread got deleted, but lots of you sent us the "Negotiating a /gkick" thread where the pic above came from (click to see full). Fortunately, discussion continued in another thread, and you can catch most of the story on the various reproductions of the original thread found around the net (and huge thanks to Lysdexia on Skullcrusher for his hard work in making sure this got archived for posterity): Geraard got /gkicked from a guild, but didn't just want to leave -- he decided he wanted to negotiate a severance package, and went to great lengths to make sure he got what he was worth. The best part? The guild's name is Dude it's a game. And yes, we're hitting this story a bit late (it happened early last week, that's just what happens when you publish a column on Tuesday), but here's a new bit of fun for you: the Ventrilo chat. Enjoy.
- People in this thread were a little dubious that Theshammie of Chaotic Good on Durotan was actually a ninja -- until the dude who was playing the character showed up, and admitted to both account sharing and blatantly ninja-ing some Void Crystals from a Kara PuG. All is not as it appears, though -- Theshammie shows up on page 2, says he took the Voids because he had to deal with family stuff, and offers to repay anyone who approaches him personally. Sure, it's just Kara, but leaving with loot you're not supposed to have is still leaving -- pass them off to someone else and then log.
- You've probably heard of this little scam -- someone sets up a bot or just an Auctioneer filter to sit on the Neutral AH and pick up as much as he can for less than 1s, and nabs all of the people trying to transfer items for cheap back and forth. I don't know if it's actually illegal according to Blizzard, but it's kind of a jerk move. And what, you might ask, does Ahanta do with all the money he makes so sketchily? Why, run Gurubashi Arena tournaments. Because that's worth it, right?
- We're making history here -- this is the first time ever that one piece of drama in Guildwatch has lead directly to another. In page 2 of the Original Sin thread above, someone mentioned (unrelatedly, as far as we can tell) that Pottasium of that guild ninja'ed a trinket off of Gruul, and sure enough, in this other thread, it's proven (and Pot is unrepentant). Some people, it seems, just attract drama, and some guilds, it seems, just attract those people.
- Try Harder on Area 52 finished off the Illidari Council. Next up: Illidan? They're also recruiting some Resto Shammies.
- A coalition of Coalition of the Horde and Team CODE (from Burning Blade) downed Solarian. Kael is on notice.
- Dragon Knights on Area 52 managed to down Magtheridon and Gruul on the same day last weekend for a guild first. We're putting Hex Lord Malacrass on notice for them for next time if they haven't dropped him yet.
- Adamantium on Zangarmarsh downed The Lurker Below on their second foray into SSC with a one-shot. Hydross is up next.
- Penultimate Sin (EU The Sha'tar-H) cautiously ventured into Zul'Aman and managed to down Nalorakk on the first attempt with no deaths. That's a flawless victory! They'd only been in Karazhan before -- good luck with the rest of ZA, folks!
- Evolution on Moonrunner downed Azgalor. They also finished all four chests and nabbed a nifty bear mount. Nice job.
- Team Hippo on EU Ghostlands finished off Ritual of Souls.
- Flaming Thunder along with Demonic Intentions and some PuGgers on Velen downed Curator. IIlhoof is on notice.
- Cthulhu on EU Eonar have recently downed Archimonde and Bloodboil, so "that multi-faced thingy" (we're thinking RoS is what they mean) is on notice.
- Magic and Mayhem on Echo Isles-A had their first Vashj kill the other week, and then downed her again after the server restart. They owed her a little pain, though -- they've been working on it for a while. Kael is getting a few threatening letters, so he should be down soon. They also think you can't walk around calling yourself 4/5 and 5/9 when you haven't killed Vashj and Kael yet. Though the attunements were removed for a reason, I tend to agree.
- Grim Legion of Kirin Tor-H downed Lady Vashj, finally getting that full clear in SSC. TK is 3/4 already, so yes, we're putting Kael on notice for them.
- Stronghold on Runetotem have been working on ZA lately, and just recently finished off Hex Lord for the first time, and then one-shot Zul'jin as well the same evening. Sometimes it just works, right? They're looking for a few more to go to SSC, including Resto Shammies, Mages, and Druids, but all class and specs are welcome.
- Medieval on Kul Tiras downed High Warlord and Supremus on their first night in BT. They're also currently recruiting Pally tanks geared for T5 instances.
- Entropy on Bloodhoof, after suffering a guild-bank ninja'ing leader and four months of regrouping, have made it back into BT to topple Illy D himself. Very nice comeback, and grats.
- Knights of the Shadows on Kalecgos-A has gone back to finish up the T5 content, and successfully downed Kael'thas! Archimonde is on notice for next time. Recruiting: Resto Druid, Prot Pally, Holy Priest, Affliction Locks, and a Resto Shaman for more T6.
- T H U N D E R of EU Kilrogg downed both Morogrim Tidewalker and A'lar this week. Leo is on notice for next time.
- Reverb on Anvilmar downed Al'ar, leaving only one boss left in TK to kill.
- Original from EU Shadowsong took down the Eredar Twins less than a month after their Felmyst kill. M'uru's on notice for next time.
- The Wolverines on Malygos-H have downed Rage Winterchill on their last two expeditions into Hyjal, which also happened to be their first two times in. Anetheron is giving them trouble, so we're putting him on notice for next time. They're also accepting people into the guild on a case-by-case basis, apply if interested.
- Two Percent, alongside raiding partners Midnight Bunny Brigade, fresh off their first downing of Hydross in SSC, set foot into Mount Hyjal for the first time and downed Rage Winterchill before the end of the evening. Grats!
- Undeniable of Dark Iron has killed Illidan. Farming of Hyjal/BT to commence, and then it's on to Sunwell before the expansion!
- Our tipster recently joined Wasn't Even Close on Vashj-H, and says he always wondered what the name was about -- until they ran up against Zul'jin. While they thought it might be a wipe at first, in the end... it wasn't even close.
- Relentless on The Scryers-A (with the help of some friends) slaughtered Doom Lord Kazzak for a guild first. Doomwalker is on notice!
- HongKong (Aman'thul-A) says they downed the Council and "you know which council. We're now prepared!" We don't? The U.N. Security Council? The Public Broadcasting Council? The American Council of Education? Which one?!?
- Resolute is a newly formed Horde guild on EU Blade's Edge are looking for mature, friendly, stable players to level with us in anticipation of raiding in WotLK. They're a reroll guild, so if you have the dedication to go 80 levels with them, look them up. They've got a fun TS channel, raids around 21:30 server, and so far, a total lack of drama.
- Vita Eternus on Llane-A is recruiting Mages, Locks and Priests to finish off Hyjal and Black Temple (they're working on Bloodboil). Apply on the website.
- Wayward Mercenaries LLC on Exodar-H is a laid-back guild of RL friends that is merely needing a few warm bodies to start up Karazhan on a regular basis. Please have Vent installed, Omen's a plus and be mature and ready to have fun raiding. Off specs are very welcome.
- Knights of Midnight on EU Dragonblight-H is working through the 10mans in anticipation of Wrath -- they would rather run a tight-knight group of folks rather than blow their way with a big group through the 25mans. They've got vent, roll on loot with priority given to certain talent specs, and are seeking a Shammy to fill out the roster, but any class worth an exception will get it.
- All Nuke Skull on EU Anachronos (winner of this week's Best Guild Name award) are a brand new guild dedicated to raiding. Healers are especially needed (losing a few to logging out was what cut their Kara raid short earlier this week), so if you have some reasonable gear and want to raid up to 3-4 times a week, look them up.
- Cake or Death of Bronzebeard-A is looking for raiders to head with them back up to SSC and TK, and eventually beyond. Put an application up on the forums if interested.
- Vastrungen University on Moon Guard-H is looking for RPers who wish for a great IC (in-character) environment. We have IC classes starting soon, and events coming even sooner.
- Sword of Azeroth on Undermine-A is still actively recruiting. They've just started SSC and need a few more regular raiders to keep moving forwards.
- Sinner Among Saints is currently in need of skilled and well-geared players with a love of raiding. They raid Tuesday, Wednesday, Friday or Saturday, and Sunday, and need Feral Druids, all Pallies, Shadow Priests, Enhance Shammies, all Warriors, and Affliction Locks. Hit up the website to join.
Filed under: Analysis / Opinion, Raiding, Guildwatch, Bosses






Reader Comments (Page 1 of 2)
nicholas Sep 10th 2008 12:35AM
Naz'ghul? You mean Ner'Zhul? Yay. Always interesting to see drama on my own server.
Meethan Sep 10th 2008 6:47AM
And it's nice to see someone from my server
Tweaky Sep 10th 2008 1:11AM
Funny thing: Something close happened to a guild on Chromaggus over the weekend. They were on day 2 of a Kara raid and picked up on Sunday, starting from the Curator hall (he was downed on the first day, which the Priest was NOT a part of). They pug'd a Priest that was VERY rude after ONE failed Ilhoof attempt. So, they kicked him. He wouldn't leave the instance and stayed in there for hours. Multiple GMs asked him to leave, and he wouldn't. GMs wouldn't actually DO anything though, stating that because he had the Raid ID, he had a reason to be in there.
First, he never helped down anything, just trash, and was very rude. Second, he tried to blackmail the raid by asking for 10G from each person. Needless to say, no one paid up, and eventually disbanded for the night.
While I wasn't in the raid, I talked w/ a GM, and if you log out of WoW while in Kara, you are still considered to be in the instance, so only 9 others can be brought in. Essentially, he killed the raid until the reset today.
Fortunately, there was AMPLE evidence that he was doing it on purpose, and a GM said they'd do something about it. What that was, we'll never know :( Dunno if they can do this, but they should have just moved his toon to Shat, and removed his Raid ID, and left it at that.
Raid ID: stolen. Evidence: posted to Flickr. Normally, we'd just laugh about this, but according to Blizzard, this is now a offense against the ToS. So we'll have to see if Virulent on Naz'ghul-A is the first guild to get banned from the game for nabbing another guild's raid ID.
Chris V Sep 10th 2008 1:17AM
Regarding scanning the neutral AH:
Blizzard have repeatedly stated that if you post an item on the neutral AH at far below its true value, and someone else buys it, then that in no way contravenes the intended design of the auction house. If you don't want your epics bought off you for 1s, don't post them at 1s.
http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/search.html?stationId=1&searchText=neutral+auction&blizzardPoster=true
And no, I don't do this, but the tears are delicious.
Matthew Rossi Sep 10th 2008 2:08AM
The thing to do is, find something that vendors for less than a silver, and put a lot of that up for 99 copper.
rosencratz Sep 10th 2008 2:29AM
Why do we require Blizzard to tell us whether it's "Right" or "wrong" exactly?
Obviously the AH is an auction house and so auctioning rules apply, people will buy something that's cheap. this goes without saying.
However ofcourse, if an item is up cheap you KNOW why it's there. Assuming then that everyone knows precisely why an expensive item is on the neutral AH for these reasons can you consider it morally "Right" to buy it out?
You instinctively know it's there for a reason, you also know it's not there for you and that you have less than a second or two to buy it out because the intended party will have grabbed it otherwise.
It's like leaving a drink on a bar for your friend and someone else pinches it, just because it was there and could be taken doesn't mean it should be taken.
Obviously with the anonymity of the internet it's too easy to take advantage of people with no consequences what so ever so it's hardly suprising that someone would but IMO, morally speaking, the people buying stuff in this manner are in the wrong, they wouldn't do it without the anonymity after all.
Important life lessons can be learned for the victim though but my point is why do we need Blizzard to tell us whether it's right or not. Surely we're all meant to have a conscience?
Chris V Sep 10th 2008 2:43AM
@Matthew:
Exactly.
@rosencratz:
I never said bottom-scanning the neutral AH was conscionable, just that it wasn't an offense. As for anonymity, Gabe's Greater Internet ****wad Theory applies.
The tears are still delicious.
Balius Sep 10th 2008 4:51AM
Scanning the AH for good buys is fine by me. It's not as if there isn't a workaround for people transferring goods; just transfer money first, have the character who's going to be recieving the item sell something worthless for a large sum, then use that money to buy the item you want at a more reasonable price.
You'll lose a bit of cash both ways, but you're not gambling your item against the chances that a stranger will decide not to help you at his own personal loss.
Eh? Sep 10th 2008 7:55AM
@rosencratz
your analogy fails.
if there is one thing to remember, remember this:
Your morals and conscience are NOT other people's morals and conscience.
Do not kid yourself in believing that "people should have a conscience" when knowing that people are willing exploiting the purpose of the neutral AH to get around the fact that Blizz does not allow the transfer of goods between alts of different factions on the same account. (Blizz allows different alts on the same account to purchase items off the same-faction AH, gee, I wonder why???)
For accepting the huge risks when placing an expensive item for next to nothing, I like to think it's called "personal responsibility." You know, that thing that apparently no one has anymore....
rosencratz Sep 10th 2008 8:34AM
@Eh
I don't need to remember that at all. I say as much in the same post your responding too, I already know mate.
Obviously the only way to transfer stuff is to transfer money first and take a hit on cash to buy it back but that's not the point. there is a person out there who knows what your doing and knows that he's taking something away from you. You really don't think morales and conscience can paly a roll here?
You really think my analogy is innacurate? You think if i put an object on a table and said that i wanted to pick it back up in a few minutes to someone nearby that they would take it?
I can tell you right now that they wouldn't they wouldn't dare too and if they did it would be a crime.
They only take it due to the anonymity of the internet, which immediately makes otherwise morally suspect actions instantly, totally OK.
Only to those inclined to do it ofcourse...
William Sep 10th 2008 8:45AM
@ Eh?
Your analogy was worse than his by a rather large margin. His at least maintained a constant direction. Yours jumps around and ultimately leaves me wondering what you were really trying to say other than that you have no morals or conscience (sorry to hear that. Hope your guild doesn't expect you to be an honorable, trustworthy gamer then...) It's more a matter of gamer to gamer respect than anything. We all play the same game and we all need to remember that someday (even though we don't see that day ever happening maybe) we may need to use the same system. Just my opinion on the matter.
Chris V Sep 10th 2008 8:49AM
@rosencratz:
The thing is, you're not putting something down, announcing that you intend to collect it in a minute and walking away.
You're putting something down, placing a "For Sale: $2" sign next to it and walking away for a minute.
And are then surprised when you walk back to a $2 coin and a note saying "Bargain!".
kidgamer Sep 10th 2008 5:16PM
Aye, but bots are against TOS.
if I was being sniped by a real person that's one thing, but when it's done by a bot.....
gastonguay Sep 10th 2008 1:20AM
weeks behind
Lynkfox Sep 10th 2008 3:36PM
Yes. Bliz is banning for Raid ID steals. It happened on Stormreaver a while back: i know, cause Iniquitous was laughing about it happening (and i know Sania who off tanks for them)
Since Item drops are generated when the Raid ID is created, if you steal a raid ID you are stealing those items. So when one guild on SR stole an ID for BT and got a Warglaive out of it, blizzard gave it to the original guild, and 3 day banned all the raid members (and i hear, though this is rumor) that they perma banned the guy who stole the id.
Haderic Sep 10th 2008 1:35AM
Synergy of Malygos is recruiting healers of all classes, respond to synergyguildwow.com We are currently on Bloodboil in Black Temple and have killed 4/5 in Hyjal
Travis Green Sep 10th 2008 1:57AM
Go Team Malygos!
Tenchan Sep 10th 2008 2:13AM
I for my part didn't know about the Geraard thing (the Live Forum is a cesspool I avoid) and am glad you posted about it, because it's glorious.
Elli Sep 10th 2008 2:27AM
LOL! I must be a bit late about hearing the Geraard thing. Im reading it now and i must say it is quite hilarious. This is going straight to my mates lol. Gold =P
DrPleaser Sep 10th 2008 3:37AM
Wow, so far the < Virulent > people posting in that thread are coming off as elitist f**ctards.
Instead of apologizing, all they're doing is antagonizing the guild that got screwed.