Ask a Lore Nerd: Your curiosity will be the death of you

Welcome to Ask a Lore Nerd, where each week Alex Ziebart answers your quests about the lore in the World of Warcraft. If you have any questions, no matter how big or small they might be, ask them in the comments section below and we'll try to answer it in a future edition.
This edition of Ask a Lore Nerd is very heavy on the Scourge and various other Wrath-related questions. Love it or hate it, that's what we've got this week. I tried to dance around spoilers where possible this week, but starting next week the spoilers are gonna come rollin' in. There will be warnings, of course, but they'll be there. Just sayin'.
This edition of Ask a Lore Nerd is very heavy on the Scourge and various other Wrath-related questions. Love it or hate it, that's what we've got this week. I tried to dance around spoilers where possible this week, but starting next week the spoilers are gonna come rollin' in. There will be warnings, of course, but they'll be there. Just sayin'.
What are Liches raised from? When encountered, Liches have sorceror and somewhat necromatic powers. Can they be raised from anyone or must it be a mage? Would you consider Kel'thuzad to be "Lord of the Lich"?
As far as Kel'thuzad goes, I believe the title that was given to him is "Archlich." Almost all liches were raised from necromancers, warlocks and mages, though the Lich King pretty much does whatever the hell he wants and can raise other people as a lich if he really wants to do that. That's probably rare, because turning someone that isn't skilled at spellcasting into a being that is built for spellcasting would just be silly. The Burning Legion used to employ a lot of liches as well, but they lost most of them when the Scourge betrayed them.
Some especially skilled spellcasters have turned themselves into liches, but it's a pretty rare thing. Becoming a lich is a pretty good prospect for the less-than-sane casters in Azeroth (and Outland), since you become more or less immortal in undeath, assuming you can keep your phylactery safe.
Locke asked...
In front of Illhoof in Karazhan, there's a smoking dead body. Any info on that?
That's probably just some poor sap that Illhoof killed at one point or another, nothing major. Maybe someone from the raid that went into Karazhan before you and died before their buddies broke the Demon Chains?
Medros asked...
Many have long wondered what effect the death of an Aspect, who the Titans imbued with power, would have on Azeroth. They also wondered what effect Deathwing going to Outlands would have had.
In the beta we have a bit of lore where we find out the Titans discovered the Old Gods could not be killed or it would harm the world, known to them as Kalimdor. Do you think the same would happen if an Aspect died? Do you think they will have us kill Malygos? Or will Alexstrasza stop us from finishing him in the name of the safety of Azeroth?
I don't think anything negative would necessarily happen to Azeroth if an Aspect died, except that it would be down a 'guardian' of sorts. In the case of Deathwing (and Malygos), getting rid of them might be better in the long run. The "what if they died" question is probably inspired by the Aspects because they're immensely powerful, rather than there's any foundation in the statement that Azeroth would die without them. They've been around forever (compared to the humanoid races), and they're absurdly strong. Any wonderings on whether or not their death would have a massive impact on Azeroth's health is pure speculation on the part of Azeroth's citizens.
The Old Gods are a bit of a different situation- they're quite literally inside of Azeroth. From what I can tell questing in the Wrath beta, the Old God Yogg-Saron is underneath the entirety of Northrend. Yanking him out of the ground would collapse the entire roof of the world, it seems. C'Thun is similar- we only fight an eyeball of his, and it's as big as most other raid bosses. His entire body probably stretches under most of southern Kalimdor. Removing them would literally make Azeroth fall in on itself.
As far as Malygos? Yeah, I think we'll kill him. Alexstrasza has made it very clear that she absolutely hates loss of life, but leaving the situation as it is would just cause more death. Taking out Malygos is the road with the least bloodshed, likely. Alexstrasza is also big on "from death, there is life." The whole circle of life deal. She'll probably give us the go-ahead to take him down, and then work hard on rebuilding things after Malygos is out of the way.
muxecoid asked...
Why do Tauren have boomsticks as their racial ranged weapon?
Umm... hello? Cows with guns? It's freaking awesome. Beyond that, no reason. Giant bullmen shooting arrows from a bow is pretty lame, even if they have a native american motif going.
Larry-Steve asked...
WoW Insider gets TONS of questions about lore weekly. Why is it that the questions answered in the article really don't clarify much, or even answer any lore questions in general? Or, if so, the answer is "we don't know." There has to be better questions about lore to answer for Ask a Lore Nerd...
Many of the questions asked quite honestly have no answer available. I do skip over a lot of them, because me saying, "I don't know" or "Nobody knows" gets really old, really fast. However, there are a lot of questions where you can make theories or have fun discussing that I try to help along. Or, someone asks a question that has no answer, but is part of their roleplay or things like that- that's also something I try to help out with. If I don't know something but it's a fun topic, I try to make it quite clear that I (we) don't know, but there are still fun dots we can connect in the story.
That said, I try not to do just those sorts of questions each week. There's definitely questions we can answer, and those are my primary focus. I just think that people can have a lot of fun discussing those things, too. Moreso than listening to me rattle off facts from a Warcraft RPG book/novel/Warcraft II/III.
Rimelight asked...
Questions on Death Knights:
Why do their eyes glow blue?
Because it's awesome. Also, icy blue is a lich thing in Warcraft. It's just sort of a "Hey, we used to be Scourge!" sort of thing. It goes with the Scourge's whole icy/frost motif.
Why are their voices funky?
Because it's awesome. Also, they're a hero class. That comes with perks. It fits because Death Knights are a powerful Scourge 'unit.'
Are they dead in the sense that Forsaken are dead, that they are walking corpses held together and kept from rotting by their souls/magic/etc?
Because it's awesome. Er, wait. Yes, they're dead like the Forsaken are dead. That's how it's described in the opening cinematic for them, anyway. Death Knights died at the hands of the Scourge in Scourge territory (Plaguelands, etc), and were turned to the Lich King's side. Edit: I am referring to player Death Knights. Death Knights in general can be living or dead, but it's specifically stated the Death Knights of Acherus are Undead.
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Reader Comments (Page 1 of 3)
thinice Sep 14th 2008 5:10PM
Jaina Proudmoore and Arthas.
Any chances they'll hook up again in the future? What are the details of their history together?
epsilon343 Sep 14th 2008 11:16PM
Yeah...cause I'm pretty sure after attempting to destroy all life on Azeroth and basically being the epitome of the bad guy she can't wait to come and plant a big on Arthas...
thinice Sep 14th 2008 11:25PM
Ya never know.
SaintStryfe Sep 14th 2008 5:09PM
Tauren use guns because they're pragmatic. They'll use the best tool for a job. If it's a flint knife, they'll use a flint knife. If it's a Gyroscopic Hand Cannon, they'll use that too. On the Eternal Hunt, not using your best tools is just foolish, in their eyes.
Agrippa Sep 15th 2008 11:48AM
A few thoughts on the topic of guns. I was initially bothered by the choice of boomsticks for the Tauren, too. Later I came around. The reason the Sioux for instance used bows to hunt Buffalo is that they were more useful for firing from horseback, and they did use guns in warfare (Little Big Horn.)
It seemed to be whatever was expedient worked. The orcs are more concerned about reclaiming their tribal, shamanistic heritage. They may regard guns as too novel. The tauren understand what it means to be on the edge of extinction, so they're more likely to be open to new technologies that increase their chances of survival.
Blackhorn Sep 15th 2008 11:53AM
Good answer.
Except that Guns/Bows/Crossbows in WoW don't really outshine each other. And if you're a tauren, who's making your guns? They don't even have engineers.
So the practical solution for tauren would be the traditional bow and arrow, as acquiring guns is the opposite of being pragmatic.
SaintStryfe Sep 15th 2008 11:58AM
Well the Sioux were not always the High Plains living, Horse-riding Culture we think of them as from Western movies. They were originally farmers. When white settlers pushed them off their lands (which were the upper mid-west as I recall), they took up the Gun and the Horse to adapt to the life where the farming was less easy. It worked well, too.
I think the Tauren are along similar lines - they appreciate the old ways, but this new one came along which is better. In the Hunt, you cannot afford sentimentality to a less efficient method. That's why they adapted readily to technologies.
IanC Sep 14th 2008 5:35PM
I don't "get" how there can be forsaken Death Knights. Surely a Forsaken DK is just a human or high elf (or blood elf now of course) DK, overall, right?
Taytayflan Sep 14th 2008 6:00PM
A Forsaken DK is a DK that was probably from Lordaeron, and may have Forsaken family/other ties to motivate them to go to that side. Also, if a human or elf has died/decomposed enough, they may be thought of as a Forsaken by their homeland, and then go to the only place that will accept them.
WyrmKing Sep 15th 2008 2:46AM
I think the playable Death Knights were killed while fighting the Scourge in the Plaguelands. So a Forsaken Death Knight would've died twice. Once as human, then again as undead and was re-raised.
Daniel Whitcomb Sep 14th 2008 6:18PM
Forsaken corpses make Forsaken Death Knights, in this case. The Archerus Death Knights are from a batch of very recent corpses from battles in the Plaguelands. Since the Forsaken are supposed to have a strong presence in the Plaguelands in lore, it makes perfect sense that many Forsaken would have died fighting the Scourge, and that some of those were deemed worthy of ressurection by Razuvious and Arthas.
Nathanyel Sep 16th 2008 1:44AM
Being injured badly weakens even a Forsaken body and mind, so maybe the Lich King could take control of that body/mind again, especially on Scourge territory.
I still wonder why he didn't reclaim the Forsaken after he recovered from being weakened, after the merged with Arthas. I assume the 'society' of the Forsaken, and Sylvanas as their queen, somehow prevents them from being taken again so easily.
TiM Sep 14th 2008 5:44PM
Actually in regards to DKs. Some of them are dead and raised. Others as in Arthas' case are not dead but turned their backs on their people in the pursuit of "justice by any means necessary". if you go to where Mograine is in Archerus at his feet is a book defining the role of the death knight in regards to the scourge written by Kel'thuzad, kind of his treatise on death knightism lol. Also in the opening cinematic "the voice" talks about it. So while yes some are dead others are clearly not.
Medros Sep 14th 2008 5:48PM
I believe the lore I read from the beta said that the Titans discovered the death of the Old Gods would destroy the world before their imprisonment.
-Medros
http://www.allthingsazeroth.com/Medros/
Grumaya Sep 14th 2008 5:50PM
When do you suppose that Tauren will be able to carry around weapons like the one Cairne Bloodhoof carries? http://www.wowwiki.com/Cairne
I'd also suppose that it'd only be Taurens that can carry them. Runespear? Is that what they're called?
RogueJedi86 Sep 14th 2008 6:02PM
Looks more like a totem pole to me. I believe a Taunka in Northrend carries one too, but that's it. It's rare even among NPCs. WoW Model Viewer lists it as "Cairnes Totem Weapon".
Grumaya Sep 14th 2008 6:10PM
It'd still be awesome to have. My main's a tauren druid, and i'd love to be slinging around one of those. I'm sure it'd be considered a 2hand mace.
Cap Sep 14th 2008 5:50PM
Don't be talking about my phylactery in mixed company. Sheesh. That's a private matter...
Skone Sep 14th 2008 6:04PM
I remember the Panderans in Warcraft 3. I know they have thier own place in Azeroth named Pandarian. Where is this place? I also know that they have a hiding place in Stonetalon Mountains. Where is that too?
Nati Sep 14th 2008 6:47PM
It is NOT stated that player death knights are undead. It is stated that they died, but were brought back. It's fairly obvious from the opening quests that they are alive, but changed. They were resurrected, or as the opening cinematic puts it, "reborn". Dark rebirth and everything.