Forum post of the day: No table for you!
There has been much debate over whether mages should always use their Ritual of Refreshment spell in battlegrounds. Shadowavatar of Boulderfist believes that this practice will become even less common because the cost of the spell is slated to increase from two arcane powder to five in Wrath of the Lich King. This brings the total cost of the spell to fifty silver per cast plus requires the use of additional bag space for mages who are not keen on restocking. Withunter of Arathor commented, "At least you know Blizzard is paying close attention to what players complain about. They identify problems with the game, and spare no effort to make them worse."
While some posters see this change as a major disservice, some point out that the is really quite justifiable. Darkintent of Bleeding hollow noted that the inflated reagent cost is reflective of the greater benefit of the spell. Many responders indicated that this difference will be negligible due to gold inflation in the next expansion. The amount of space it will take to carry reagents is of a greater concern to many posters.
Azurei, a mage on Shadowmoon, plans on only putting down tables when he runs out of conjured food in his inventory. Mage tables are nice to have, but they are not an absolute necessity. Just like in a raid situation, folks should bring the necessary materials for success. There will most likely be an equivalent source of replenishing health an mana for purchase, just as players can currently access Naaru Rations.
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Reader Comments (Page 1 of 4)
Arcaria Sep 20th 2008 11:11AM
I know this sounds mean and those of you who don't play mages will undoubtedly bitch about it but I only put a table down when I need one as far as BG's go. It's each individual player's job to make sure they are prepared with their own supplies. I especially have no interest in playing mom for people on other servers whom I don't even know.
Tailchaser Sep 20th 2008 11:14AM
WTF! I can maybe agree not to drop it in a BG but not to drop it in a Raid is stupid, If they don't have to drop a table then I want to be able to make it so they can't get my Mana Spring or Wrath of Air Totem. They give me Mana Biscuits and I give them mana during the fight, its a fair trade.
Slamkovich Sep 20th 2008 11:21AM
Agreed. One player shouldn't have to shell out money every BG just because some people were too lazy to prepare, but raids are different. Priests, shamans, druids, pallys... They're all spending money on reagents for party spells too.
And I hadn't heard that increase to 5 arcane dusts... They'd better make them stack to 100 like symbols at least.
BitterCupOJoe Sep 20th 2008 11:36AM
While I personally do always put a table down during a raid, there's a difference. Food and drink are something everyone has access to. Even if the mage doesn't put down the table, there's vendor food available, and most players will have a stack or two just for their dailies and stuff. If the paladin chooses to not put BoK on us, or a shaman doesn't put down Wrath of Air, there is no equivalent available. While I appreciate it when I'm on my paladin and someone puts down a table, it's not equivalent to me failing to buff the party if the mage doesn't give everyone free food.
Mats Sep 20th 2008 5:31PM
Then I presume you won't mind farming your own Nightmare seeds, after all, Healthstones require Warlocks to farm shards, in the same way it requires mages to farm money. And Nightmare seeds are there for everyone to use and gather for themselves.
GreatLich Sep 20th 2008 6:19PM
That's like the worst analogy ever, Mats. Nightmare seeds don't work like health stones and are not for everyone to gather.
Should've used charged crystal focus instead, makes more sense.
Kelam Sep 21st 2008 9:50PM
You would have trouble finding a mage who doesn't drop a table for 5 mans, much less raids.
Tim Sep 20th 2008 11:18AM
I drop a table automatically each time. I even use the group Arcane Int spell a few times too. It's not really that expensive and it goes a lot toward helping us win. Duh.
Starbuk Sep 20th 2008 11:24AM
There's a very simple solution for the PvP end, just have the pregame buff that reduces spell cost to 0 also reduce reagent costs.
vlad Sep 20th 2008 1:22PM
i thought it allready did that.
Thorn Sep 20th 2008 3:06PM
@vlad: No, the buff does not take away reagent costs, and never has. Do you even play this game? Or do you just sit around making cynical comments on every WoW Insider post? Certainly seems like the latter.
Terje Sep 20th 2008 11:27AM
I kind of expect at least one mage to make a table, and a lock to make a soulwell in BG, after all it is for the greater good, for the success of the team.
that being said, it's no crisis if the dont.
Raids are an entierly different matter.
So i got a cheap ass mage in my raid?
doesnt wanna make a table?
Fine, I'll just convince the priest/druid/pala etc. not buff you, I will refuse to help you if you get aggro, and ill do my best to not raid with you until you learn to make me a table.
That being said, I always lug around 4kinds of buff foods (+spell dmg, +20stam, +30stam, +agi) in case anyone needs it.
its about being a nice guy, and everyone doing their part of the raids success.
Szass Sep 20th 2008 11:43AM
I always make as many tables as the raid needs as often as is needed.
BG's I usually just make one in the first BG I join, But if someone asks me nicely and I have the reagents , I will usually drop one for others from time to time.
I usually just do single AI's to casters and mana users while I'm waiting for the BG to start.
Gheb Sep 20th 2008 12:59PM
I'm glad I don't have tools like you in my raid groups. Seriously. The mentality of some WoW players is similar to that of 12 year old girls.
While I don't agree with mages not making tables in raids, because everyone has to do a certain bit to help the raid out, I don't believe being a prick in return is a way to help the raid either.
But hey. I'm a resto shaman. I keep the tank alive so that the mage can DPS, and not get one-shotted like the glass cannons they are. What equivalent do mages have for *THAT*?
bongato Sep 20th 2008 1:58PM
Nothing in the article said anything about mages dropping tables in raids.... that's kind of what it's there for, chill.
Most times in BGs I don't even get buffs from the cheapskates asking me to make them a table. After 3+ years on my mage getting begged, insulted, and treated like a clerk at the grocery store, you can all spend your own gold and get your own.
Thiosion Oct 3rd 2008 5:15PM
Being an Affliction Warlock who never PvPs, I don't really use health or mana restoring items. If you've played on the beta, you may notice the occasional "Mana not regening." bug. I didn't even notice it was happening.
So, because we've basically spent tBC spitting in Mage's faces over and over, I approve of mages not dropping tables.
schwonga Sep 20th 2008 11:36AM
Not dropping it during a raid just sounds pointless to me. I always drop at least one at the beginning of a raid. I mean as a mage thats part of what I bring to the table!(pun intended) But BGs I only drop when I need the food or someone drops me the 20s, because then I know they at least are conscience about it as opposed to lazy brickheads.
GryphonStalker Sep 20th 2008 11:37AM
I'm no mage, so I always carry Naaru Rations into battlegrounds or heck they're always on me. I'm always grateful when a mage decides to drop a table, but I do not expect it.
JBurg Sep 20th 2008 11:38AM
In battlegrounds I never expect a table to be dropped. Nice when it happens, but I would never expect somebody else to spend reagents to give me something I could bring on my own.
In raids I always run into the opposite problem. At the beginning every mage throws down a table and usually at least one wants to make a table before any boss fight. Honestly they can be distracting while raiding.
I am wondering though with the new cooking recipes, how many of us high level cooks will be setting a banquet table before battlegrounds and will this become expected of us?
wude Sep 20th 2008 11:39AM
I dont think it has ever been an issue in raiding. The reagents are just part of the gig. If you dont want to spend the cash on reagents for raiding, then possibly raiding isn't for you.
I'm not hardcore in BGs, but I dont see why it would be necessary for a mage to drop table in EVERY BG. Assuming the standard honor grind it is costing that mage well over 5g per hour to grind honor. I dont think any other class would be EXPECTED to spend that much. I do agree with making the spell reagent free in BGs.
If it is that important that you have your table, buy some Arcane Dust and trade it for the table. You could always tip the cost of the reagents. I dont think I have ever seen anyone tip for a table.
Afterall, it is for the better of the team right?