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9-28-2008 @ 3:48PM
The Immortality of the Night Elves comes from the World Tree, or used to at least. Not the Well.
9-28-2008 @ 6:37PM
Seconded... they were mortal before the original world tree was created. The well granted them power over the arcane, the very power that drew the attention of the burning legion upon them, but they didn't attain immortality until illidan used the stolen vials of water from the well to create a new well of power in the previously pure lake atop mount Hyjal. When malfurion and the aspects discovered the new well, they decided to harness it's power to create a new world tree. It was Nozdormu (sp?? bronze aspect) that linked the longevity of the night elves to the health of the tree.
9-28-2008 @ 7:08PM
No, the Well made them immortal as well - the World Tree merely continued their immortality. They really are quite careless with the sources of their eternal life.
9-28-2008 @ 9:28PM
is there a source for that? it's not something i've come across. Wowwiki doesnt list it as such and the War of the Ancient's trilogy seems to imply that immortality is a new thing for the night elves, not merely a regifting so to speak.
9-28-2008 @ 10:59PM
Here is where I first read about it.http://www.wowwiki.com/Night_elfOn that page it says right under the beginning of their "history" section that the Well of Eternity was the source of their immortality.But just to check I went to the official history page on the WoW site...http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/info/story/chapter1.html#5...where it says that the night elves gained "virtual immortality" from the well of eternity, and then later on, because of a dragon's blessing on the World Tree, they "would never age or fall prey to sickness or disease." If you like, you can interpret "virtual immortality" as "not immortal" I guess. But my understanding is that the original Well made night elves immune to old age, sickness and disease the same way that the dragon's blessing did. They could still be killed in unnatural ways however (by demons for instance), and that's where the "virtual" part comes in. But if you'd like to nitpick about semantics then be my guest. It doesn't really matter so much -- this detail of ancient history doesn't have a huge effect on the night elves in the game today.
9-29-2008 @ 4:30AM
My source is "The War of the Ancients" trilogy - at the end, as Nozdormu is blessing the World Tree, he actually says that they will have "continued" immortality even with the Well destroyed; "time will be on the night elvesss' side once again".
9-29-2008 @ 3:44PM
Interesting, as I didn't note that about the Well Of Eternity. However, it does change it in the sense that they only lost thier immortality 6 (or is it 8, now, when Wrath comes out) years ago, as opposed to 10 thousand.Although I didn't think you meant it that way, someone completely new to Night Elf lore could take it as such, and therefore yes, I do think it's a big deal.
10-05-2008 @ 6:30PM
I don't have WC3 installed on this computer so I can't immediately verify this, but I'm pretty sure when the Night Elves debate the destruction of the world tree and the loss of their power Tyrande mentions without the tree "they will grow old and die" and Malfurion's response is actually that wry sense of timelessness we expect from druids, and he in return asks if that would really be so bad. All paraphrasing, I'll leave it to the Internets to clear that up. And while Blizzard doesn't contradict its lore with frightening regularity, I still take that to mean the Night Elves were immortal up until the end of the Third War, which is the fodder for most of the societies we see up and running in WoW today.To that extent I would argue greatly with David. If you are referring to an immortal race that has been sentient for tens of thousands of years - the fact that less than a decade ago the Night Elves not only lost their immortality, they *sacrificed* it on behalf of all of Azeroth, it is a pretty big deal. I think that would still be a very recent event in their collective memory and shock to their culture.Also keep in mind the Ancestral Spirits used to destroy Archimonde and Nordrassil are feasibly the spirits of Night Elves themselves who have crossed over/"died." While that may be purely legend, it's feasible that the Night Elves believe they not only gave up their own immortality, but thousands of "the souls" (which many people who believe in such things would also agree is immortal) were also destroyed in the process. Sort of a double-whammy.I think one of my favourite descriptions of Night Elves was by Metzen himself, "What if dark elves were noble?" The kal'dorei purchased that nobility through all of the sacrifices they have made throughout their history - but then again they probably owed it to the world of Azeroth for all of the trouble their ancestors wrecked. It's got to be pretty foreboding to battle Satyr's, the High Borne, and Naga - knowing the entire time the same potential that plunged these creatures into darkness is also part of the genetic stock of the Night Elves.To be honest I find their story, and that of the Forsaken, to be some of the most tragic. And hence some of my favourite.
10-06-2008 @ 12:30AM
Hanako, you say you are arguing greatly with me here, but I don't really see how we disagree. Perhaps you can clarify what I said that makes you think so. I think you're right that the night elves have suffered a great shock and have shown some very selfless and sacrificial behavior in the course of their adventures. What I haven't liked is the way *some* of them are so haughty and proud about it, as if they deserve special treatment because they made all these sacrifices. Fandral Staghelm, in particular, is quite an unpleasant fellow, and he has done a lot of harm by trying to regrow a new world tree in order to get immortality back. The dragons did not approve of this action, nor find it in harmony with the balance of nature.I think one of the things you may sense in my article is that I feel the night elves are the most "emo" of the Warcraft races. There are too many melodramatic and petty actions they take, and too many contradictions in their history for them to be really believable to me.The do look cool, though, and there are some good elements in their story, too, so it's not all bad. At some point I'd like to come back and do a bit of editing on all my articles to polish them up and link them all together as a whole; so maybe when I do that I'll try to go back and remove any of this bias I may have expressed against the night elf story here. I'm glad that the story is one of your favorites, and I'll try to see it from that perspective when I look at it again.
10-12-2008 @ 8:07PM
I wish we could respond to responses directly :pDavid, I'm just referring to this part of your earlier reply: "But if you'd like to nitpick about semantics then be my guest. It doesn't really matter so much -- this detail of ancient history doesn't have a huge effect on the night elves in the game today," when referring to the origins (and ends) of the Night Elves' immortality.The destruction of the Well of Eternity was ten millenia ago, the World Tree - just ten years. I agree the end of immortality doesn't play a huge role in the dialogue/quests, but if discussing roleplaying and society, I think it's safe to say the kal'dorei culture is still in shock (such as pursuing Teldrassil without the Aspect's blessings). That's my only real heartache - I don't view the difference in when Night Elves sacrificed/lost their immortality as trivial, and is great fodder for people who want to give motivations for their characters (you could feasibly argue almost any personality type as a reaction to waking up one day after 300 or so years to the knowledge your days are suddenly numbered like everyone else's).I do agree that Night Elves lend themselves to being emo and like many large and older societies, rife with hypocrisy. I also concede the arrogance of many Night Elves, which is hubris, while I prefer to envision the Blood Elves as more immature, like spoiled teenagers.That being said, I'm not taking arms against this article or the series in general - I think it's a great overview for people to get into the roots of the lore with.
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