Ghostcrawler reveals warrior DPS changes
You remember a few days ago when Ghostcrawler revealed unto us changes for tanking warriors? Well, now she's back with the opening salvo of changes for DPS warriors. Many a tipster mentioned, as does Ghostcrawler, that this is but the first in a series of changes to the DPS warrior in Wrath. So what does this first post reveal? Well, while we'll once again post the complete text behind the jump for those of us who have a hard time seeing the forums, one change goes right into woah, really territory for me.- Sudden Death now grants 10 rage, so that following the Execute you have 10 rage left over. In the course of testing this, we also decided Execute by itself wasn't doing enough damage, so it got a buff too (could be around +15%), which will also help the talent.
Now this is very, very interesting to me. First off, not only does this make Sudden Death a lot easier to use, but the idea of Execute getting a 15% damage boost, and it's not clear to me if that is part of the talent, or just part of Execute now... I'm very interested indeed to see what happens here.
The rest of Ghost's post is behind the curtain. Think about it, won't you?
As promised, here are a few dps changes. There will probably be a few more over the next few days.
Fury
Unending Fury changed to increase damage of Slam, Whirlwind and Bloodthirst by 2/4/6/8/10% (it no longer offers a rage discount).
Arms
Sudden Death now grants 10 rage, so that following the Execute you have 10 rage left over. In the course of testing this, we also decided Execute by itself wasn't doing enough damage, so it got a buff too (could be around +15%), which will also help the talent.
Bladestorm breaks roots and snares when initially used. It doesn't break other forms of CC, largely because we suspect that if it did, that functionality in PvP would overshadow the actual cool whirlwindy part.
Strength of Arms now grants 2%/2%/2 Str/Sta/Expertise per point. (Still 2 points total.)
I don't know about the rest of the warriors reading this, but I like the change to Unending Fury. Still, I wish the rage discount was still part of it. That might just be me, though, I love rage discounts. Can't really be mad about a 10% damage increase on Slam, Whirlwind and Bloodthirst.
Bladestorm breaking roots and snares when it's used is pretty good. I don't agree that the fear break would make it OP, but I'm not going to say no to any buff the ability can get.
The Strength of Arms change is huge. 4% Stamina instead of 4% total health is a nice enough change, but the addition of up to 4 expertise (not percent, as I had originally read it - still, 4 expertise is pretty good, 4% would have grown imbalanced) on this ability makes arms a very strong PvE DPS contender.
I can't wait to see what else is in store, based on this little taste of the future.
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Reader Comments (Page 1 of 2)
Rugus Sep 30th 2008 8:40AM
So far (latest PTR build) I've really *LOVED* the warrior class. I leveled a toon till 65 some months ago, then I abanoned it in Nagrand as I did not have any desire/energy to spend in Nagrand quests (yet again). Reading the changes, I copied tested him on PTR and respecced from Fury to Protection. Well, I got AMAZED by his dps, power and yes, FUN.
I guess I'll get a boat to Northrend as soon as it goes live, so I can completely skip questing in Outland (yet again). If they keep these changes, PROT tree allows a lot of fun while questing/grinding.
Note: live warrior is specced Fury/2wield and outputs more or less 210DPS. On PTR, specced PROT with 1hander blue (footman's longsword) and a green shield and same live version gear... I get 260-270DPS. Damn!!!!!
vlad Sep 30th 2008 11:58AM
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like rossi really cruises all the forums. please post your souce! Boubouille works hard to get all the news you steal.
toddcore Sep 30th 2008 1:03PM
I'm not always impressed by the work ethic here at WI either, but I do believe Rossi writes the Warrior column and it is therefore not unreasonable that he might periodically check the Warrior beta forum for updates.
I don't ever read mmo-champion and I still caught this post last night before it had it's second page of responses. Stop being an ass just because you can.
Also, I have to lol a little bit at the fact that reading a forum post is hard work by your definition.
souvlaki Sep 30th 2008 8:41AM
"but the addition of up to 4% expertise on this ability"
It seems to be "4" expertise, not "4%"
onetrueping Sep 30th 2008 8:46AM
Mm, that doesn't look like 4% expertise to me, but 4 expertise. Not as fantastic, perhaps.
onetrueping Sep 30th 2008 8:48AM
Actually, on looking up Expertise on WoWWiki, I see that Expertise is currently maxed out at 109 with all the best expertise rating items on. So, at that level, 4% expetise is pretty much 4 expertise, meaning that that 4 expertise is a BETTER buff until you nearly cap out on gear.
Balasan Sep 30th 2008 8:57AM
"Still, I wish the rage discount was still part of it. That might just be me, though, I love rage discounts"
No, you're not alone.
Then again my highest warrior is level 50. What do I know.
Rob Sep 30th 2008 8:58AM
I am not one to bemoan beta changes, but seriously every warrior out there is fury/arms or some version. This may make the class more fun but certainly doesn't give people a reason to spec prot. I don't know about you all, but I'm tired of seeing all these warriors running around 'LF tank'. At least cat druids can tank decently without a gear change. Me? I'm leveling a DK, tank speced, as soon as I can.
Archex Sep 30th 2008 9:04AM
Are you another of those "LOLz dpswarr l2p spec prot" people? Some people do not like tanking, period. Also, unless you had prior mmo experience, you probably didn't know warrior was a tanking class when you rolled it - I can speak for myself that I had no idea what a tank was way back then.
I'm excited about these changes as they are hopefully tip-of-the-iceberg, esp for Fury. Hoping for some reduced bloat in the tree, consolidation and buffing of Shout talents, and the developers coming to their senses on the "counterbalance" for TG.
Puffin Sep 30th 2008 9:07AM
Are you serious? Prot warriors have gotten the most buffs out of any tank in beta. I wish my tankadin had received half as many buffs. If you can't find a reason to spec prot with a warrior you'll never find a reason to spec prot as any other tank.
Rob Sep 30th 2008 9:13AM
I do appreciate that, and I applaud blizz's attempts to make prot give more dps. We'll have to see what happens when Wraith comes. However, I do know in recent pugs I would have 2 warriors and a paladin, hunter, and me (resto druid) and everyone is wondering who is tanking, because they didn't spec for it.
My plea to warriors is to not join PUGs unless you can tank. We have tons of dps classes already, and you just don't bring enough to the table to justify replacing a strong dps/cc class. Or at least get a shield and learn to tank while in your spec. It's just bad when classes who can tank perfectly well show up to a PUG and expect to be carried. That's all I'm saying. If you want to level fury/arms go right ahead.
WyrmKing Sep 30th 2008 9:19AM
STFU please, let people spec how they want to spec.
Balasan Sep 30th 2008 9:19AM
You seem to be overlooking something:
Blizz wants all warriors regardless of spec to be capable of tanking, up to heroic instances. Beyond heroic, protection warriors have significant advantages, but it doesn't mean fury/prot warriors cannot tank. In fact a lot of the tanking changes are for all warriors, and there's some tanking talents in arms and fury as well.
It's just in the psyche of the player. If you're in a party with 4 others and you're a DPS warrior and you've been LFGing for a couple of hours for a tank, it's better off for you to fill the missing slot and tank instead of wasting time.
Ktok Sep 30th 2008 9:45AM
As a warrior, I'll agree on this to a point...
Warriors who PUG *should* be open to the idea that they may have to be the tank. They should at least have a basic tank set of armor, a shield, and a good one hander. There's enough tank quest rewards on the way to 70 to get this done, at least for non-Heroic instances. Same goes for Feral druids keeping a basic +Heal set "just in case".
If you're a DPS Warrior and you're out to PUG, and you don't have a tank set, or flat out refuse to tank, then you need to make that 100% clear in your LFG message. At no point should a group have multiple tank-capable classes in it, and then find out at the instance portal that no one can/is willing to tank.
If being clear that you can't/won't tank means you never get into a PUG, well, that should tell you something about the desirability of DPS warriors in 5-man PUGs. Better to be honest from step one, though, rather than worm your way into a group under the false pretext that you're a tank.
Dragoest Sep 30th 2008 12:05PM
I love playing my warrior and I enjoy playing prot. in fact my first toon was a prot warrior from lvl1 - 60 (preBC) and even rolled a second warrior and got him to 70.. I almost always tank .. but now I'm not prot i'm spec for DPS.. and I don't bother running any 5 mans or any other pugs... as DPS my warrior is just used for grinding or PVP... as DPS I stay away from all grouped PVE.. as i should...
seeing a DPS warrior in a pug is just a horrable image to see. they have no CC. no agrro dump, and most of the main attacks are ment for grabing threat. only reason I wouldn't mind a DPS warrior is if one.. I've been looking for ANY other DPS class for over an hour and haven't found anyone... OR... if that warrior is geared out in the highest gear possable... ( full t6.. maybe even full S4 )
Kakistocracy Sep 30th 2008 12:16PM
As to whether people rolling Warrior would know it is considered a tanking class, a good tip off would be Blizzard's description of the class, "Comments: Excellent for those who like to take damage", or maybe "Type: Primary Tank". Now I realize that it's not much fun to be told your class can only do one thing, warriors should have to just tank, they should get to choose a role they like. After all, I play a mage, and we get to choose from... Never mind about that...
So really, is a Healer Mage any more strange than a DPS Warrior?
It's nice that there isn't (or at the least, at one time there wasn't) a DeathKnight spec that anyone who planned to tank had to take,why not do that with warriors to fulfill the goal blizzard clearly set out?
superfrank Sep 30th 2008 12:38PM
@Rob - don't join pug groups as a healer if you can't rez everyone after a partial wipe. I'm just saying, please don't join if you're not going to pull your weight
@Puffin - you've got shield wall, shield slam, thunderclap like effect (and more) all of which made warriors unique!
tchernobyl1 Sep 30th 2008 8:58AM
4 expertise is still pretty good.. it's not rating, it's flat out expertise. Admittedly it's not a world changer but, i'll take it!
Matthew Rossi Sep 30th 2008 9:38AM
Think about how it stacks with humans, dwarves and orcs, too. Any race with a racial expertise bonus and this talent is saving a heck of a lot of gearing.
Radiophonic Sep 30th 2008 9:07AM
"I don't agree that the fear break would make it OP, but I'm not going to say no to any buff the ability can get."
Haven't done any pvp on the PTR huh? :P That is one NASTY talent especially if you're wearing cloth and get hit by it. Ouch.