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10-01-2008 @ 9:10PM
thanks for the mdps advice, I'm currently using a fury warr (only level 48 :-)) and I didn't know the stuff about parries. Very helpful to us lowbies out there.
10-01-2008 @ 9:50PM
It is an opinion piece.
10-01-2008 @ 9:58PM
Everything stated here is correct, being correct doesn't make you elitist, it just makes you right.Saiforune - If you're currently ignoring any of these game mechanics than you are a BAD MELEE DPSThere is no excuse for gibbing your tank by getting parried, and rarely an excuse for getting hit by cone/cleave AOE.Look at it this way - you want to do better DPS right? then get behind the mob.
10-01-2008 @ 10:00PM
Wow. Apparently it's Elitest [sic] to tell someone 2+2=4. Every single one of the points she made were valid, well-researched rules for melee classes. I'll restrain myself from launching into a tirade on how the the War on Truth simply labels anyone who actually uses empirical evidence as an elitist, because I half-suspect this is just a troll.Keep up the good work, Allison! This should be mandatory reading for anyone new or inexperienced with melee classes, especially the deluge of Death Knights to come.
10-01-2008 @ 10:07PM
Darn, I was sure I'd win your award, Saiforune.Is there any way you could still make me that poster? I was planning on putting it on a t-shirt and wearing it to BlizzCon if you got it to us before Tuesday.
Dear Saiforune. You're a really cool person. I was talking to you at the beginning of the beta on the live stream a bit.I do think you overreacted a little though. Allison didn't say the Deathknights that came from ranged dps were aweful to insult them. It's because they are.If a player doesn't know to stand behind a mob when attacking them, that's no big deal. If a person isn't familiar with parry, that's no big deal. It's understandable, because a caster is resisted, which has no consequence.If a player doesn't know about cleaves, that's no big deal. They're a rarity anyways.If a player pulls aggro every once in a while, it's no big deal. They're used to standing a ways away, and most have an aggro dump.If they think they're not supposed to pull aggro ever, that's no big deal. Someone just has to tell them they're a little less fragile than the guy healing them.But with all these together, you have to wonder why they weren't paying a little attention while sitting there spamming 1 or 2.I started as a caster, and I knew about all the melee tactics before I even rolled rogue (Before they were FotM).So, when a player manages all these things. Yes, they are awful. Which is why Ally continued instead of leaving it at "You are awful." Maybe with this post, the DK's can make awful into awesome.
10-01-2008 @ 10:11PM
1. "flare and voice"?who's the elitist now saiforune?2. don't use the Fa---- word again- on top of the other reasons you shouldn't use it, people don't respect the opinions of bigots.3. I was never insulted by this article- i took it as somewhat tongue-in-cheek, and i get the feeling most people did by the fact that no one else is spewing homophobic hate speech to emphasize their points.
10-01-2008 @ 10:16PM
Saiforune, you ARE an idiot!Allison is 100% correct in this column. She accurately describes bad melee practices, and in case you didn't quite read the whole article, she ALSO explained how to do it the right way. No need to resort to homophobic slurs or name-calling here.Melee is a completely different playstyle than ranged. If one is not experienced in melee, they are not going to know how to adjust to the changes. This is a good read for people who need to learn the differences. Please take your emotional yet irrational respnses somewhere else, kthxbye.
10-01-2008 @ 11:03PM
"I overreact because that is how you get points across to the ignorant and unwilling."Interesting that she managed the same effect on you.And by the way, as has been mentioned many, MANY times in the comments, WoW Insider is not a news site, it is a blog, and as such, is defined by opinion.
10-01-2008 @ 11:12PM
@ Saifokker: Dude, you really have some Serious problems. You are an EUC (Extremely Unhappy Camper) I don't think I will be inviting you to my birthday party. Sorry Bro. We were having ice cream cake, too. "Honestly, this is NOT what this blog has been about since it's creation." - Well, I guess that part is true... This blog was created so Mike Schramm could get money to feed his Twinkie-and-Beer addiction. :P
10-01-2008 @ 11:28PM
"It is NO ONES PLACE EVER!!!!!! To deem someone a "Bad" player because they want to play the game that they ALSO pay $15 a month for."Some people are bad at certain classes. I'm bad at playing mage, myself, very bad. If I wanted to continue playing a mage, I would try to get better at it.That's what this column is about, helping Death Knights get better.You're comment that "This is why I cause an outburst" just proves that you don't want to add anything constructive, you just want to inflate your e-peen and stir up drama.You got called an idiot for your original commentary. Childish name calling may have gotten you your way with your mommy, but it doesn't work here on a site like WoW Insider.
10-02-2008 @ 12:03AM
Saiforune:You are an idiot. Go away, and never return. Oh, you're still here? Allow me to reply to your festering cesspool of randomly strung together hate-mail that you have apparently copy pasted from different WoW forum nerd-rage spam troll-bots. "Allison Robert has just officially started her campaign of Elitest faggotry, and wining Douchebag of the Year for 08" *This is a formal complaint as read in the last paragraph to remove Allison robert from the staff of this Glorious Website*"I don't know what Allison has done to have earned such contempt. On the plus side, this is a good introduction for an essay, which seems to have been your goal here for today. Now, for your first idiot statement:"First rule of that qualifies you as Elitest, saying you're better than someone else, because they play differently than you."No, Allison is saying "If you play in manner xyz then you are an idiot." It is not about 'different' playing style. If you are in Karazhan, and you run around during flame wreath, you are an idiot. If you are in Gruul's, and you run to give the Healer a hug during Gronn Lord's Grasp, you are an idiot. If you are fighting Nightbane, and you remain standing in burning lava pits of doom, you are an idiot. If you stand in front of a boss while wearing cloth and are cleaved for 20,000, you are an idiot. It is not a question of elitist or bad, it is a question of "Do you have enough brainpower to follow simple guidelines, or is World of Warcraft the new frontier for the Darwin Awards?". Do not confuse "Was not aware of the mechanic" with "consistently refuses to learn." An innocent mistake through misunderstanding or the wrong key pressed is easily forgiven. An idiot troll who keeps wiping the raid because they refuse to/are unable to listen is intolerable. Idiot statement number two:"Then the second is thinking that what ever you say holds truth and people accept it as gospel, because you are a paid staff member of a popular website that has a, for the most part, good reputation with it's staff members."I am starting to see why you didn't get the job here - a lot of comma's in the wrong place, a few mispelled words - nothing super tragic, but bad enough that people need to re-read your sentences a few times to understand the context. In no way did Allison say "This is the word of God. You will Obey. Disobedience will be Punished." She just said, frankly, people who play Death Knights in her experience, are fundamentally unaware of certain liabilities their new role fulfills. This is Common Sense. Everybody knows that the vast majority of DPS are, in fact, brain-dead mouthbreathing keyboard turners. The greatest challenge for any guild is identifying the quality players from the keyboard face rollers, and politely shuffling them out of harms way. That is to say, in a place where they won't harm others. The real reason Blizzard had to reduce raids down to 25 was due to the incredible difficulty in actually finding sufficiently large numbers of dps players who had survival tendencies slightly higher than lemmings. See where I am going? The fact is, Allison can say whatever she damn well pleases and if it's backed up by actual in-game mechanics (as it is here), then not only is she providing useful information to the players that need it, but she is providing a SERVICE to the players who will be affected by the players who read it. That's a damn sight better than the pile of codswallop that you came out with just now. Maybe if you tried to lace your comments with a little humor and amusing hyperbole (as I am, of course, doing) then you could do your readers some service by granting them a small smile. Or, perhaps your hope is to anger them sufficiently that they start to have fantasies of you being hit by a bus. Yes! I see your ploy now. You want WoW Insider readers to smile in malicious glee, imagining you being hit by a large Greyhound bus (that is on fire!) and being punted in to the back of...oh, I don't know, let's say a cement mixer. Actually, that IS kind of funny. After your cement-coated remains are used to lay the foundation of a high-rise building, at least we can your existence finally provided some service, just not in the way you had intended. There's a good pun involving support that could go here, but it slips my mind at the moment. Idiot paragraph number three:"With your last Blog post that was deemed extremely innapropriate in it's format that it was a "QQBad Troll is Bad" post. You lashed out at the mage and hunter classes, linked something because you can and failed to provide any TRUE information what-so-ever, and even claimed false info."Blah blah blah blah I am sad because somebody criticised a class blah blah I shall kick a puppy to make myself feel better etc. Now we are getting to the crux of the issue. Maybe if you'd linked the original post we might get some context out of it, but given your random jump from point to point, somehow I doubt it. Idiot random-key-bashings-between-Enter-presses group number four:"For someone who is a paid staff member of WoWinsider, you should have considered your format and topic to be more appropriate."What? What? Are you saying that WoW Insider would post up articles that had not been looked over by the Editor for content, clarity and quality? I am shocked! Stunned! Flabbergasted! The very foundations of my Universe have come undone. Why, I shall strip down naked and run outside right now and proclaim the End Times have come. Just let me grab a permanent marker so I can write this travesty down on my bare flesh, "WoW Insider Has No Editor!", and I'll be right back. Okay, sorry for the delay, I was gone for about an hour. In this time I managed to conduct a swift strawpoll. Number of People who think Saiforune is an idiot = everybody. Number of People who think Saiforune is just fine = a small child that I bribed with a lolly. Number of People who fled in terror at my naked body = none, because I am a tremendously handsome, lean and well muscled Australian man. All the men want to be me, all the ladies want to be with me. I just thought I'd throw that in now to cut off your inevitable 'zomg u must be a basement dwelling sun-fearing kid who has no knowledge of anything, and you play Arena 24/7, and your guild has Van Cleef on notice' standard auto-attack troll response in advance. Allow me to summarise this point: No. Although a million monkeys at a million typewriters might not write a Shakespeare sonnet, they certainly could play a Warlock, or write something like this:"Honestly, Comparing you to Adam Holisky is like comparing an Alter boy, to the Catholic priest with the implied rape."I think you are trying to make an analogy here, but I'm not really sure because you really mangled the grammar here. Comma placement, please! Maybe we should start requiring licenses before people are allowed on to the Internet. Anyway, I forgot my point, which is precisely what you did when you started writing. Nowhere in your response have you refuted anything that Allison has had to say. It has just been whine whine, Allison is more socially advantaged than I am, boo-hoo, nobody likes me, gonna go eat some worms. I'd recommend night crawlers, they are high protien, low GI. So precisely why should Allison be compared to Adam? Hmm? HMM? How does the simile of rape even BEGIN to compare? Are you implying some kind of sexual relationship between Allison and Adam? Well, their names DO both begin with A, so I can see how you might make such a connection - it is more realistic than any of the other hand-spasmings you've come out with so far. I mean, seriously. It's like your not even capable of sensible thought. At least get your mother to proof read this stuff before you put it out on the 'net. That paragraph was just plain embarassing to everybody. Next up~"You have just skyrocketed yourself past the moon that has been Adam Holisky. I hope you enjoy your new rising douche baggery."Don't worry, Saiforune. Whatever bright and shining star Allison might have become in the douchebag Heavens, she has truly been eclipsed by your spectacularly awful...I don't know what to call it. I'd like to say 'trolling', but that implies some actual effort at harassing or harming the author. All you've done here is paint a big "Hi, I am incapable of rational thought or sensible comment" sign on your neck. Maybe you should strip down and write on yourself with the marker pens? Somehow I think a lot more people will run screaming from you..."To all WoWinsider staff Leaders and other such runners of this website that hold some form of a management position. This is a formal complaint to remove Allison Robert from your paid staff and to please find someone more worthy of your blog who is more sensitive to the readers and upholds the News and traditions of this website."Let me guess who that 'someone more worthy of your blog who is more sensitive to the readers' would be? You are so transparent. "Love sincerly,SaiforuneMy $0.02"There is nothing lovely or sincere about you! Here's your two cents back. I want change.
10-02-2008 @ 12:05AM
"It is NO ONES PLACE EVER!!!!!!"First, stop posting drunk."To deem someone a "Bad" player because they want to play the game that they ALSO pay $15 a month for."They're entirely welcome to play as badly as they want unless it is wasting my time. I'm also paying $15 a month.You'd think they may also want solid instruction from the consistently most informative writer on this site. (By a wide margin, I might add.) A bad player is a bad player. There are objective performance standards. A bad player willing to learn can become a great one. That's what this post was about."I think this is NOT the place for her to voice her opinion on a news website about World of Warcraft"Why? It's not only and probably not primarily a news site. Moreover, it is not opinion, it's accurate and testable. You group with them and find out then look up the definition of opinion.I'm absolutely dreading the death knight invasion on live. Have been since they were announced but beta has been worse than my greatest fears. I'll put gold on the table saying with the DK addition, ret pallies getting huge buffs, arms/fury warriors capable of tanking w/o respec but still refusing, boosted cat DPS, prot wars doing real DPS...the five man tanking situation is going to be worse than it was in BC. Fewer and less competent tanks both. Looking forward to that PuG where two prot warriors and a death knight argue for ten minutes about who must tank.
10-02-2008 @ 12:24AM
Saiforune:"It is NO ONES PLACE EVER!!!!!! To deem someone a "Bad" player because they want to play the game that they ALSO pay $15 a month for."With regards to playing in a group setting, such as instances and raids (which Ms. Roberts' post was about), then I would contend that it is in fact everyone's place to call out a bad player for what he/she is, if that player is playing badly. If I were making the same kind of noob mistakes, I would d@mn well expect to be called bad, and I would need to be told that so I can look to improving myself.Furthermore, you quote her line regarding how "most" DKs are bad in instances, which a lot of other comments have echoed, yet you appear (based on your further statements and arguments, such as, "Calling out all Melee-DPS players...") to have interpreted the word "most" as the word "all" instead, which is clearly not what was intended.Lastly, your point regarding the intent of this blog ("I think this is NOT the place for her to voice her opinion on a news website about World of Warcraft") is, in my observation, sadly misinformed. This is not a hard news site, nor is it subject to the AP style manual or any such rigors. This is a blog, and historically, this blog has hosted numerous opinion pieces and editorials, some well done, and some quite terrible, but they are still completely at home in this environment, as are your own statements, even if most of us disagree with them.PS- You may not have noticed this, but that last post of hers about the mages not being removed from the game (I assume you were not counting the one about alexstraza and varimathras' new skins) was actually a tongue-in-cheek take on a blue poster's own tongue-in-cheek response in the EU forums. Purely a humor piece, not intended seriously at all, which seemed pretty clear to the rest of us. Guess what? Humor pieces are also at home here.
10-02-2008 @ 12:26AM
I'm just replying in hopes of pushing the replies all the way off the first page.Applause for saiforune - you're a jerk, but you've definitely gathered a readership here.
10-02-2008 @ 12:40AM
Nick S:"I'm just replying in hopes of pushing the replies all the way off the first page.Applause for saiforune - you're a jerk, but you've definitely gathered a readership here."hehe. you do have to admit, Nick, the utter hatred that Saiforune has expressed is oddly entertaining. Perhaps a regular column for him might be in order, where the rest of us can give him the same treatment he is giving Allison. :P
10-02-2008 @ 12:56AM
Man, no wonder every village wants an idiot, they are hilarious!
10-02-2008 @ 1:30AM
Please do not feed the troll
10-02-2008 @ 1:43AM
I think Saiforune is getting worked up because this piece hit to close to home. How many groups you been kicked out of buddy?
10-02-2008 @ 6:35AM
@SaiforuneYou're an idiot and I'm pretty sure it's obvious who the douchebag of the year award. At least you make me laugh...not with you but at you.Tool. LOL
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