Ask a Lore Nerd: Alliance leaders and strange mythology

Welcome to Ask a Lore Nerd, where each week Alex Ziebart answers your quests about the lore in the World of Warcraft. If you have any questions, no matter how big or small they might be, ask them in the comments section below and we'll try to answer it in a future edition.
Has Gelbin Mekkatorque ever done something to contribute to the world around him? Poor little guy seems to do nothing nowadays. I'm sure as leader of the Gnomes, he could do a lot to help the people of Azeroth.
He does things, but they're not portrayed in WoW very well. It's mostly things you will find in the RPG books. Mekkatorque helps design the various siege weaponry the Alliance uses (steam tanks, etc), and works heavily on figuring out ways to take back Gnomeregan from the ferocious level 30 elites and, more importantly, clean up the radiation.
IvanZephyr asked...
It seems that most of the Horde leaders play semi-major roles to say the least, but what about the Alliance?
King Magni does have a fairly significant role, though not much action is involved. I haven't seen anything out of Velen, Tyrande or the High Tinker. Velen really had the spotlight in The Burning Crusade though, so that's not much of a shocker.
There is a rumor that we're going to see Caverns of Time: War of the Shifting Sands following Fandral Staghelm around, but it's just a rumor. Don't get too excited over it, nothing concrete has been said by Blizzard or anything like that. It'd just a guess from some players.
JaneLame asked...
My question concerns Cenarius. I read that the demigod is the son of Elune, who seems to be shaped like an elf in the pictures, and Malorne, who is, uhhhm, a deer.
Is that sort of thing... legal in Kalimdor?
Apparently so! Keep in mind that God-like deities do not really follow the same rules Humans do. Mild bestiality is not unusual in many polytheistic faiths and/or mythology. Note that I do not mean to imply that all polytheistic faiths are about banging dogs or whatever, that's not what I meant, so please don't get offended. A lot of the 'ancient' polytheistic faiths were this way, though.
One of the more well known examples is the Greek God Zeus seducing and getting it on with a lady while he was in the form of a swan. The lady involved was not his wife Hera, by the way. Oh, did I mention Hera was also his sister?
There's also the story of the Minotaur, in which King Minos was supposed to sacrifice a bull to the gods, but decided it keep it for himself. The gods weren't down with that and caused Minos's wife to fall in love with the bull. At her request, the architect Daedalus built a wooden bull so she could climb into it and let the animal make love to her. Thus was the Minotaur born.
Welcome to mythology. This stuff is completely normal here.
Sweet_Sweet_SoulShards asked...
This may be to "Spoiler" to add here, but I would like to know some more about the Frostborn (those icy dwarves I think) and the storm giants and all that jazz in Storm Peaks.
The Storm Peaks is pretty much the number one place to go for Titan lore. Storm Peaks, the instances in that zone, and maybe a little Sholazar Basin. You learn a lot about the origins of the races here, what the Titans did, where they went, all of that. I'm not going to spoil everything, but the Frostborn seem to be an offshoot of the Earthen, and both the Frostborn and the Earthen come from the Iron Dwarves, the original Titan version of the Dwarves.
The Storm Giants were also Titan creations, and originally had a more metallic form. Other races, too.
You find out a whole lot more about why the races exist, why they've become what they are, and all of that throughout Northrend. I don't feel comfortable spoiling it all yet, because some of the reveals are really fun.
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Reader Comments (Page 1 of 3)
Mister Book Oct 6th 2008 11:41AM
I have a question about the Chamber of Aspects/Obsidian Sanctum raid in WotLK.
I was under the impression that Alexstrasza had gathered the other four flights (including the Black) to battle against Malygos and the Blue flight to prevent the massive loss of life that would be caused by summarily executing every magic user on Azeroth. There are even friendly Black flight NPCs and questgivers. So how do they justify going in and slaughtering some random black dragons and eggs? Wouldn't Alexstrasza and the other ambassadors have something to say about it, since they're all there at her behest and all. Particularly since it sets a bad precedent. Sure, the Black flight is nominally bad, but does anyone actually think once the Red chamber opens people won't be stomping all over the Ruby Guardian for epics just cause they can?
zappo Oct 6th 2008 11:42AM
"he architect Daedalus built a wooden bull so she could climb into it and let the animal make love to her"
I think you mean "wooden cow" unless she was trying to woo a homosexual bull.
So incontinent. The things we do for the ones we love. I thought I had it bad putting up with my girlfriend's evil cat.
zappo Oct 6th 2008 11:43AM
incontinent = inconvenient
Alex Ziebart Oct 6th 2008 11:49AM
Haha, yes, I meant a wooden cow I suppose. Wooden bull would add yet another level of "um wtf" to the situation.
Gravesilence Oct 6th 2008 11:47AM
Hey do they reveal anything about the origin of Trolls? I gather that Humans are descended from the Vrykel, but Im curious where Trolls come from.
Amaxe Oct 6th 2008 11:54AM
Internet forums?
Lesley G Oct 6th 2008 12:05PM
That's a chicken / egg question, depending on whom you ask. Some say Trolls come from Nelfs. Others say Nelfs come from Trolls.
Tinwhisker Oct 6th 2008 12:51PM
Trolls are thought to be one of the first of the races we see today. They pre-date just about everything. Night Elves possibly descended from Trolls; there's no direct evidence of that though.
zuukal Oct 6th 2008 12:56PM
The way I take it is that Trolls were the original inhabitants of Azeroth. Either later or at the same time Silithids made the scene; possibly from the Twisting Nether and given physical form in C'Thun's image. Check out info about The Twin Empires for more on this. It's possible that after coming in contact with the Well of Eternity that some trolls were transformed into the first Night Elves. Either Trolls came first or NElves simply didn't write down anything indicating that they were around 16,000 years ago.
TiM Oct 6th 2008 1:21PM
Hmmm, reading the troll question and replies brings up another question. If trolls came first (yes I know we're not sure) and contact with the Well of Eternity transformed them into nightelves, does that mean the original highelves of QD and hence the bloodelves are actually an offshoot of the troll race and that all this fighting between bloodelf and troll is really just some kind of f%@d up family feud?
Ktok Oct 6th 2008 2:40PM
@TiM:
Yes, if Nelfs are mutant Trolls then so are Blood Elves, since Highborn Night Elves -> High Elves -> Blood Elves.
Xino Oct 6th 2008 12:08PM
I've been wondering about this but what is a Death Knight's source of power? I can see how a Shaman and Druid get theirs from nature and elements, how priests and pallies get theirs from the light, and how rogues and warriors get theirs from skill and adrenaline. But how does a DK cut off from the Lich King still gather energy. I know they work off runes but where does the rune's power originate from?
While I'm at it how did Ner'zhul's power grow so much just because he was locked up in ice?
Nati Oct 6th 2008 12:17PM
Death knights most likely use arcane magic, same as mages (and warlocks and necromancers, which are really just specialized mages). The runeforging is arcane in nature rather than divine, so it stands to reason that death knights keep tapping into that power.
This doesn't mean that death knights are mages, just that they tap power from the same source.
Illirien Oct 6th 2008 12:40PM
Necromancers? Sweet! I get to play a necromancer in WoW now? Awesome!!
Yes, I know there's no such thing.. but after having so much fun with mine in Guild Wars, I really would love to be able to play one in Warcraft.
Falahdo Oct 6th 2008 12:53PM
I'd say that DK's power, just like warlocks, is shadow (necromantic) power.
If I understand the question right, you are wondering how Death knights even after turning against the Scourage retained their power.
Well I guess in WoW it's the knowledge and willingness of using a "power" (holy, shadow, or any other) matters not morality or loyalty to said power. Thus a holy priest or Blood Knight can use the power of Light to perform evil and in the same way a warlock, shadow priest or DK can use theirs for noble causes.
Lucious Oct 6th 2008 12:35PM
I LMAO on JaneLame question and the answer following :D
Illirien Oct 6th 2008 12:44PM
Said question and response apparently being deleted now? Can't see them, and a moment ago I could..
Erfin Oct 6th 2008 12:57PM
Cenarius was the son of Ysera and Malorne not Elune.....
Jewbanks Oct 6th 2008 1:55PM
actually while ysera did most the raising of cenarius elune be the baby momma
skreeran Oct 6th 2008 2:27PM
Actually, he was born of Elune, and Ysera was his surrogate mother, here's a piece by Richard A. Knaak:
"Elune birthed Cenarius, but gave him up to Malorne because Cenarius was more a creature of the mortal world and could not be with her. Malorne, who had relations with both Elune and Ysera, knew that he could not properly care for his son, but Ysera's love was so great for Malorne that she took Cenarius as her own. Hence being his mother (or adoptive mother). "