True, they are not so good that you couldn't pass them up if you're only 30-40 points into a tree, you're right. However, I would say that if you're 50 points deep into Frost or Holy, you're picking up Guardian Spirit or Deep Freeze.

I know many rogues who are not picking up HfB or Shadow Dance, simply because they don't fit with the situation they're playing in. I'm actually looking at an x/x/50 spec if I play Shadowstep at 80. Prep is so good for a Mutilate Rogue, and as you'll read next week, Shadow Dance is so bad.

Yep.

At lvl 80, I'll pick up Guardian Spirit with no questions asked, because I'll be deep enough in the holy tree soaking up all that new talent goodness.

For the next month or so, encompassing post-patch and pre-wrath, I simply Can't take guardian spirit because Meditation is required. Yep, required. Hands down, no arguments necessary or even viable.

but yeah. I'll like that amazing oh-shit button for when we get to 80 :)

Deep freeze as a no-brainer? He must not know any Frost Mages. The talent is totally useless in endgame PvE.

I guess that qualifies as "no-brainer", if by that you mean "no raiding Mage will ever take it".


Guardian Spirit also isn't a no brainer, though I think most Holy Priests will get it at 80. Almost nobody will have it at 70 becuase we're forced to spend 13 Disc for Meditation to be even remotely functional, and that puts GS out of reach.

While PvE frost mages won't take it, most PvE mages are currently fire spec'd anyway...

The talent is designed for PvP, the same way a raider wouldn't pick up improved Kidney Shot.