Official: talents reset with 3.0.2
by Eliah Hecht 
Oct 10th 2008 at 1:30PM
I've got a special report in hand from the department of obvious news: we will all get a talent refund when patch 3.0.2 hits, still expected to be next week (four days). Just like the big pre-BC patch, 3.0.2 ("Echoes of Doom") will give us access to the new talents that we will be enjoying in Wrath of the Lich King, as well as (for many classes) new skills. And since the talent trees are so drastically changed, they probably couldn't let us keep our current specs in many cases even if they wanted to.
Obviously we won't be able to access the level 75 and 80 skills until we jet off to Northrend and get some leveling in, but a lot of skills have been retconned in, so to speak. Here are a few examples of new tricks you'll learn from your class trainers, listed with what class they're for and at what level you can learn them.
- Dismantle (Rogue, level 20). This one quite honestly looks overpowered to me (speaking as someone who plays a Rogue), but we'll see.
- Revive (Druid, level 12). Thank the maker; this has been a long time coming.
- New icon for Sentry Totem (Shaman) (not really).
There are more where those came from. And that's quite aside from the new talent trees. In preparation for the patch, WoW Insider will be running down all 27 trees in the days to come (when we're not busy reporting from BlizzCon, that is), so keep an eye out.
Filed under: Patches, Talents, Wrath of the Lich King
Reader Comments (Page 1 of 3)
Matt Oct 10th 2008 1:34PM
Dismantle.. WTF OP
Amaxe Oct 10th 2008 1:37PM
Agreed. Disarming everything? Totally OP... especially for level 20
As for the reset of talent points, that was pretty much expected. It happened on the PTR and every other time the talents were changed so much that it could not be left alone
Xandrence Oct 10th 2008 1:45PM
Wow....that's gonna leave a mark
Zanzi Oct 10th 2008 1:56PM
It's at level 20 because that's the soonest the current talent Riposte would be obtained assuming you go straight Combat. Level 20 rogues can already Disarm if they spend their points right.
And is it OP? Maybe. Maybe not.
For my level 67 Combat Rogue vs. a Fury Warrior, I can get parries easily several times a minute, each with an opportunity to disarm for 6 seconds and doing 150% damage. Granted, it only disables the main hand and only for 6 seconds, but it can happen several times a minute and isn't uncommon for me to parry again before the 6-second cooldown is up. When that happens, that's a straight 12 seconds of disarming and two Sinister Strikes worth of damage for only 20 energy.
Dismantle on the other hand isn't talented, so it's available to all Rogues, including those in more traditionally PvP-centered trees like Subtlety. It disarms all equipment, as far as I know, including ranged weapons and shields. It always lasts 10 seconds, and is completely controllable instead of based on a parry proc that you'll never see against some classes. These are all buffs. However, it's on a 1 minute cooldown. I can't speak for Arenas, but in BGs, most fights with my Rogue are over (one way or another) within a minute, meaning I'll probably only get to use it once, possibly twice if I'm lucky.
It's a big buff in some ways, and if you're a Combat Rogue, it's mostly a nerf because of the cooldown in a big way. Is it OP? Still up for debate IMHO.
Zanzi Oct 10th 2008 2:13PM
I forgot to mention a few other points on the nerf side of the new ability.
Dismantle does no direct damage (vs. 150% damage on current Riposte) and costs 25 energy instead of 10.
Combat Rogues that want to PvP may still want to talent into the new Riposte (on parry, do 150% damage and 20% attack-slowing instead of a disarm) to keep from getting nerfed by the change.
Starfiyre of Shadow Council Oct 10th 2008 3:27PM
Add my vote as another Rogue that thinks that's overpowered as hell...
and wondering if this works with raid bosses. >:3
Hudders Oct 10th 2008 4:16PM
Zanzi makes a good case but from my experience on the PTR, I believe it's still a parry-based proc. I haven't used it that often though so I could be mistaken.
xenothaulus Oct 10th 2008 4:06PM
It may be overpowered in PvP, but it's excellent in PvE; I hope that if it creates problems in PvP they simply limit it in that aspect (something like 4 seconds in PvP encounteres) instead of just killing it and making it worthless.
Amaxe Oct 10th 2008 6:10PM
Given it disarms all weapons shields and items (does that include trinkets?) it's a helluva a lot OP than any other disarm ability
Naix Oct 10th 2008 1:35PM
Looks like rogues will be able to make warriors, paladins, and death knights cry for momma now. I think I may have to dust off my rogue and play him again.
Shamans are so powerful all they need is a new icon.
duskhawk Oct 10th 2008 1:42PM
*All* weapons includes ranged - so hunters, too, no?
Tinwhisker Oct 10th 2008 1:50PM
Just what's held in your hands, ranged weapons are not affected, ie weapons and shields only. Other than applying to shields it's no different from Disarm or Snatch.
Lemons Oct 10th 2008 2:16PM
It says all weapons why wouldn't that effect ranged weapons too? A bow is not "held in your hands"? Wtf does that mean? Unless you are in the beta pls don't make assumptions and state them as fact.
Angus Oct 10th 2008 2:24PM
WILL YOU PLEASE STFU?!
You seem to think Shaman drop kicked Chuck Norris to death with your constant commentary as if it was true.
The sheer lack of actual understanding of a class that has such bad versions of things other classes take for granted astounds and amazes me.
Shaman get a CC at 80. Except it isn't a CC in PVP, it's a disarm+silence that has all the negatives of being dispelled and trinketed without the positives of being a real CC. Watching your opponent walk behind a small object to break LOS so you can't hurt them and so they can get a heal is pathetic. You don't even get to take them out of the fight as they can move to a better position and then trinket out and attack.
Shaman finally get a second school to cast for damage, but both spells are on timers. So they aren't continuing to do a ton of damage if locked out of nature. They are just hoping to limp along. Oh, that spell is about worthless for enhance now and it caused a massive nerf to lightning bolt for the sake of being used.
No real CC is still an issue leveling for instances. Elemental is horrible for scaling.
Resto does not get the massive spirit regen benefit, nor does it double dip a stat like spirit where it regens mana and adds to healing.
Enhance is still not viable in 2v, needs huge help in 3v and is okay in 5v, but still lacks basic melee tools.
Please, shut your hole already.
Naix Oct 10th 2008 3:17PM
Whats to understand? Shamans gets cc, slef rez, heals, raid wide buffs, mana regen... and the list goes on and on.
Zarfay Oct 10th 2008 8:56PM
OMFG STFU
Everyone is sick of you naix the author of this article said we get a new icon as a joke at the fact we always get the worst updates (e.g a new icon for stormstrike)
You need to (and exscuse the troll phrase) L2P
If you can't beat a shaman in PVP then you obviously need to reroll because you don't know how to play your class.
Clbull Oct 10th 2008 1:36PM
Well it was obvious that we would get a talent refund with 3.0.2. Also, I think that some of the talents are brilliant, such as most of the MM tree now
blkmasta55555 Oct 10th 2008 1:37PM
Hold up, I'm pretty sure a blue has already confirmed this at least a week ago (I could be wrong, but I'm almost certain).
vlad Oct 10th 2008 1:41PM
yea, ill be the bad guy here, this was in the ptr patch notes from weeks ago. every wow news/fan site has reported it including your own WI from several bloggers.
tremor3258 Oct 10th 2008 1:38PM
Holy.... I've been waiting years for this on my druid. *sniff*.