Officers' Quarters: Last call
Every Monday Scott Andrews contributes Officers' Quarters, a column about the ins and outs of guild leadership.This is it, ladies and gentlemen. In exactly one month, Wrath of the Lich King will be on store shelves. So for all of us raiders out there, the next few resets are all that we'll have to hit Burning Crusade content one last time. As one particular reader expresses, this last month presents quite a dilemma. Do you keep moving forward, scale back, return to old bosses that you skipped, or just take a break entirely?
Dear Scott,
I'm currently an officer of a guild that has been progressing since forming from Kara all the way to BT, Hyjal. However with the coming expansion there's been a severe split in the guild's opinions towards raiding. It's come down to 4 differences. One, many would like to continue pushing content in BT and Hyjal till Wrath. Others would like to push towards downing Kael and Vashj before Wrath (which we skipped on our way to BT Hyjal). Then there are people would like to cut our raiding days from 5 down to 3 for many reasons to have more casual time before Wrath and the eventual push to 80 and continued progression. And finally there is the group that wouldn't mind stopping completely till Wrath hits to have some time to rest up.
I'm personally burnt out from 5+ months of raiding 4-5 nights a week and wouldn't mind the breather also. But I'm prepared to support the majority and continue raiding if necessary. I'm just worried about losing more people to getting burnt out or losing others to boredom and a stall in progression.
From a certain perspective, this is an easy question to answer. You could schedule the runs in Group Calendar or a similar mod ahead of time and only go when the sign-ups are full. Suspend any attendance requirements for the time being so that burned-out people can take a break if they need it, including yourself.
However, there will always be those who feel obligated to attend a scheduled raid, particularly if they know the run hinges on their ability to tank a certain boss or play some other vital role. Also, it can be tricky to communicate which runs are happening and which aren't in time for people to adjust their schedules appropriately.
Still, even with these drawbacks it's one way to approach the situation. But there are other steps you can take also.
The first thing I would do is speak with your raid leader. Ask your RL what he or she would like to do. Your RL is the key to your progression in Wrath, and you want him or her to be happy going into the expansion. So that has to be a large factor in your decision.
The next thing I'd do is poll your raiders. If people are as divided as you say, it may not seem like an effective option. However, you can set up a poll in a way that helps you narrow down your choices a bit. For instance, if you ask people to vote on what they would least like to do, you can eliminate one or two choices off the bat.
Even if the poll resolves nothing, it's a win for you because it shows your membership that the officers are listening to them.
Three other factors are coming into play soon with patch 3.0.2, rumored to drop tomorrow.
The first is obviously the major changes to gameplay, itemization, class abilities, and talents. Everyone will want to try out their shiny new specs, so enthusiasm for raiding will be on the upswing for a little while.
I wouldn't recommend scheduling anything on patch day itself. Server problems can lead to a frustrating night, and it's not uncommon for essential raiding mods to blow up, either. But I can virtually guarantee that you'll have good attendance for a raid a day or two later, no matter what you schedule.
Another factor is the achievement system. Vashj and Kael'thas are both targets of achievements for completing their respective raid zones. So there's a little extra incentive for you to go back and take them down. Although, if you're close to taking out Archimonde or Illidan I guess it's a wash.
Finally, there's the across-the-board nerfing of all raid mobs. It's too soon to judge whether this sweeping change will make the zones easier to complete, or whether it simply makes them possible to complete with the changes to potion use and downgrading of key abilities like Lifebloom.
One thing is pretty certain, however: you're going to kill stuff faster. That alone might be a breath of fresh air for your raiders on the edge of burnout.
Here's where I weigh in with my personal recommendation. If the patch drops tomorrow, I would ride that wave of freshness and excitement to make a big push during the two weeks after it. Schedule Kael and Vashj runs -- skip as much as you can on those nights and just go straight for them. If you get one down, it'll be a big win for the guild and help improve morale. If you don't, well, you can always blame the changes!
At the same time, keep pushing through Mount Hyjal and Black Temple during those two weeks. Faster clears will mean more time to devote to learning bosses.
Then, at the end of those two weeks, reassess. If you're a step away from downing Illidan, maybe you want to push for another week. If people are just not feeling it, scale back to two nights or so.
No matter what, I suggest that you take a break as a guild for that last week. Maybe schedule one final night for unfinished business. Once Wrath goes live, people will be pushing themselves hard to hit 80 and gear up. If they haven't had that break, they might find themselves burned out before they even start raiding again -- and that goes double for officers!
/salute
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Reader Comments (Page 1 of 1)
Frank Smith Oct 13th 2008 1:06PM
asking the guild what they want to do shows a split in leadership to begin with. you will never get everyone to agree, and whatever you pick, some of the ones you didn't side with will now be slighted.
you might as well take a break. you will likely lose your more hardcore raiders, but it sounds like they're in the wrong place already and at least the rest of the guild can relax for a while.
Lyraat Oct 13th 2008 7:34PM
Ouch.
Guilds work in various ways. Some guilds are despotic, some are oligarchic, some are democratic. Just because a guild votes doesn't mean the leadership is split and thus the guild will crash into oblivion, losing all its hardcore members. And even if the leadership is split, that's not a bad thing. Shows that different people have different opinions.
With all the changes, I think most guilds should slow down and prepare for Wrath. Certainly, if you're close to downing your target boss (Illidan, Kil'Jaeden, Attunemen, whoever), push for it. Otherwise, take this opportunity to relax before the big push to 80. Increase gold reserves, stockpile mats, and, most importantly, learn how to play your class again. I'm hoping our guild puts together a few more raids before Wrath so we can test out the new raid dynamics.
Kai Monture Oct 13th 2008 1:09PM
I just started playing last year. My main is a lvl 48 undead lock. I've never even been on a raid, and I guess when WotLK hits I won't get to see any of the old ones.
Amaxe Oct 13th 2008 1:15PM
Lot of people never have. I was just turned 60 when BC first came out, so my warrior never saw Onyxia, or MC or a lot of the others. Never got beyond Scholo, UBRS/LBRS
Aigarius Oct 13th 2008 2:10PM
Read a guide and learn to level. It is possible to get 1-70 in a few weeks if you put your mind to it. There is no excuse to being 48 after a year. Level one char to 70 and not 8 of them to 20.
Naix Oct 13th 2008 2:14PM
I just dinged 52 last night after only playing like 3 weeks casually.
Go get questhelper.
Gimmlette Oct 13th 2008 2:33PM
Or find a guild willing to do the old stuff. Not every guild in WOW is going to drop pre-BC or BC raids to run into Utgarde Keep and beyond. Hardcore raiding guilds are already finished or nearly finished with BC content and will be first inside the doorways.
For a lot of us, however, the joy in the game is getting there. I run a guild that just finished stepping into all pre-BC endgame instances, including Naxx. Yes, we raid BC stuff, but our primary goal was to see the content we didn't get to see before. With Wrath, that is going to include BC and Sunwell instances. Not every guild is faced with Illidan and members tired of the grind.
That being said, I have people who are tired of playing and have cut way back. It's about real life versus a game. It does mean we can't always run things because we lack a tank or a healer, but I encourage my guild members to take time for themselves because once Wrath hits, they are going to want that shiny level 80 by their name and that Death Knight in the corner.
My advice is take your time and see what you want to see. It's your nickle. You don't have to go form 1-70 in a week. I have guild members who have tried to do every quest they could find in a zone as they level and, in 6 months, are still not at 70. They have had a ball and that's what's important.
If you can't find a guild to your liking on your server, check out Spectacular Death on Llane. Our theme song is "I've been everywhere, man, I've been everywhere."
Warcloud Oct 13th 2008 3:02PM
I'm not sure you're ever going to hit level 70 or 80 at that pace anyway..
Jakobud Oct 13th 2008 1:13PM
I would highly recommend killing Vashj and Kael. The fights are not THAT hard. If you guys are more than 1/2 thru Hyjal and you are 3 or 4 bosses into BT, you can DEFINITELY kill both Vashj and Kael. Our guild was in a similar situation a while ago. We had killed Vashj (which really isn't that hard with all the badge gear that is available today). We had cleared Hyjal and were 3 or 4 bosses into BT. At this point, we had never even attempted Kael. We decided it was finally time to get it done. So we went in and stuck with it until he was dead. It took us only 3 nights of attempts total. And it was SOOOOO worth it! Its a tough fight but it was definitely the most fun and rewarding fight of any fight we have done in Hyjal/BT. Our guild was extremely glad we took the time to kill Kael.
Shevaresh Oct 13th 2008 2:07PM
Yes, he went down smooth. HHG ftw.
Nexxis Oct 13th 2008 1:18PM
Eerie... I'm an officer in my guild and this was the same EXACT place we were in three months back. My guild opted out for taking a break from WoW before the expansion.
With only one month to go until WotLK, I don't suggest cutting back your raid times or taking a break like we did. You don't want to lose any steam rolling into the expansion. In short, I would just suggest you stick it out in BT and Hyjal and continue with content you're having success in. You don't want to do anything dramatic and derail your guild one month out.
If your guild is screaming for Vashj and Kael, just post up a poll in the member section of your guild site and choose your course democratically.
Great article.
Sinz Oct 13th 2008 1:41PM
Any guild that pushes 5+ raid nights for progression is absolutely insane. 3 nights is more than enough for progression. It makes each raid night that much more important for all raiders to try that much harder. It brings a lot of good players to a guild that just can't spend half their life raiding. Some of our best players are the ones that we only see on progression raid nights.
Our guild decided to take a break from raiding BT/SWP a month ago, and it was the best thing we could have done for our guild.
The fear was that we would lose some of our top players. But, we never did. We still did fun stuff like pvp and arenas and silly things like kara/gruuls/mags/za bear runs.
Every guild is going through the same transition.
I believe our top raiders realized this, and thats why none of them have left, because the grass really isn't greener on the other side of the fence, at least for now - not till wrath.
My advice, push raiding back to only 3 days. Enjoy the patch - our guild is picking raiding back up too to mess with the new game mechanics. And - have fun. Otherwise its not worth it.
Nexxis Oct 13th 2008 3:07PM
Oh yeah, we only raided 3 nights a week. Pushing 5 raids a week would burn me out quick. If it worked for the original poster, and they all enjoyed raiding that much, more power to em'. I suspect they phased in different groups of people for different nights.
Caiginn Oct 13th 2008 1:27PM
Make that last week before WotLK something fun. A lot of your members probably joined to run BC raids, so do something amusing. Maybe take a group and do just one attempt on every BC boss that you can. Even if your guild is still in TK or SSC, go do something in the tier 6 range just to do it. Or, if your guild was around pre-BC, go run MC or BL or AQ. The membership is going to stop raiding from November 13 until whenever they're geared enough to start Naxx; make sure their last raid night for a month or so is an enjoyable one.
Sarem Oct 13th 2008 1:48PM
Cut down your raid nights.
Let your tanks n healers grab dps gear to lvl in.
Dont push anything not on farm.
Have ALL your people gather stuff for tradeskills.
Bring ALOT of gold!
Naix Oct 13th 2008 2:44PM
With all the new synergy happening your guild should have no problems flying right through the current content.
Rob Oct 13th 2008 3:03PM
Agreed with most of this, most of the progression on our server has died. We were in a race with another guild to down Illidan, the other guild did it (but was around months longer), and we pretty much just collapsed. I think momentum and attitude is critical. At this point, the GL and RL are so burned out they are playing WAR, we can't get enough people together to raid to save our lives, and even then it was made abundantly clear only half of the raiders were elite enough to do the raids. The other half was just filler and were holding the raid back. So with that attitude, yeah no wonder raiding collapsed. Plus everything is going to be obsolete in a month.
Have fun with this. Its just a damn game and in 5 years or whatever you won't remember much anyway, except how people treated you and the relationships you developed.
Chamual Oct 13th 2008 6:53PM
I thought the main reason people were desperate for Kael and Vasjh right now was so they could get their title before it's gone. Once the patch hits the title is no longer available so save for a ring I would think it would make more sense to push on to Illidan and perhaps see if you can get kalegcos down and a shot or two at Brutallus before WotLK hits us...
mitch Oct 13th 2008 9:53PM
You raid 5 nights a week and can't kill Vashj or Kael and you've not yet cleared BT and/or Hyjal?
You're doing it wrong. I'm not surprised that you're guild wants to back off until wrath.