15 Minutes of Fame: Proudmoore guild plays out GLBT pride

If you've made even the occasional pass through the Blizzard forums, you're likely to have run up on at least one of the periodic flamefests with players stomping their virtual feetsies and pointing in horror at the Gay/Lesbian/Bisexual/Transgender (GLBT) guilds clustered on the Proudmoore server. Never one to ignore the elephant in the room, we got curious about what these guilds are all about and how they ended up on Proudmoore.
Our interview with Venfelder, a long-time member from the rank and file of Taint, paints a picture of a mature, friendly, open community of players making the most of WoW's many opportunities for raiding, PvPing and just plain hanging out together.

<Taint> (formerly The Spreading Taint)
Proudmoore-H (US)
15 Minutes of Fame: So how did you come to get involved in the Proudmoore community and Taint? Was it because of Proudmoore's GLBT-friendly reputation?
Venfelder: I became aware of and involved with Taint in August 2005, when I started up my main 'toon, after hearing from a friend about a GLBT-rooted guild on Proudmoore. Until then, I had been strictly Alliance. But I wanted to try out the Horde and escape the usual "This instance is gay," "I wasn't ready for that pull, fag!", assaulting gaming vernacular that was common on other servers. I have an extremely thick skin -- but all that junk gets tiresome when used as a constant form of punctuation.
A lot of players just don't understand why someone's sexual orientation would have any relevance to their guild experience in an online game. What does membership in Taint offer that players can't get in another guild?
The idea of a GLBT guild is really no different than guilds formed by a core of college students at the same school, a group of hardcore PvPers, or those guilds formed on a strict diet of raiding. Taint is essentially just the same, but with its core values and purpose comprised of non-discrimination, acceptance and social interaction. Whereas the other guilds may insert "PvP guild," "raiding guild" or "late-night UCLA guild" into their descriptive headlines, Taint's simply reads differently: a casual and accepting environment for the GLBT community and the straight folk we call friends.
Are there many -- or any -- non-GLBT members of Taint?
We have a ton of straight people – who, when discovered, become semi-celebrities for a bit. Of my closest in-game friends, half are straight.
What about the male:female ratio?
Without the aid of a guild census, I'd guess that Taint hovers around 90% male, 9% female and 1% other or undecided.
Is there an age restriction for guild membership?
There is an implemented 18 and over policy for joining Taint. Casual social interaction is a tenet, if you will, of the guild; as such, conversations may become frank, open, joyous, serious, crass, sometimes vulgar -- but in a fun way -- heartwarming or enlightening. The members of the guild are quite adept at self-censoring when need be as to not offend, but guild-wide conversations always have a chance of becoming a little blue. Eighteen and over is a "better safe than sorry" implementation.

First and foremost, I consider Taint a social guild. When I joined the guild it was a singular entity, one guild. Now, we have five guilds to house both mains and alts with a level-based structure.
But with 2,000 members, scores of dedicated five-man teams, Arena teams, PvP teams, over 10 10-man teams and four or more (at my last count) 25-man teams, Taint may be considered a raiding or hybrid guild as well. There is always plenty to do. Taint has made a quick march through the current content, with the first 25-man group being less than a year old and having taking down everything and everyone past Illidan. The following 25-man groups are catching up quickly.
In my opinion, the guild is still social-centric, with most of the people looking for a friendly environment to play openly and meet new friends. But everyone is encouraged to follow their own path in determining what it is they want from the game itself -- so joining a 25-man team, etc., is made quite easy.
Is Taint in WoW part of a larger gaming community that crosses into other online games?
Taint isn't a WoW-only guild. We have a presence in the City Of games (City of Heroes, City of Villains) as well as Warhammer Online. In Warcraft, the community spans both in-game factions, as well. Within the Horde, there are several other GLBT guilds, as there are on the Alliance side.
What about RL Taint meetups?
Taint hosts several regional meetups throughout the year. Los Angeles, NYC and Atlanta are just a few of the venues, with this year's main meet happening in Vegas in early October (the same weekend as BlizzCon). I've personally met a few of my fellow local Tainters and have formed strong ties with some that I've only spoken to on Vent or met in-game.
Does Taint have alliances, events or other regular interaction with other GLBT groups on Proudmoore?
Taint is friendly with all of our like-minded comrades, but I'd say our strongest tie is with the La Familia De Stonewall on the Alliance faction, with whom we co-host the annual gay pride march from the Crossroads to Booty Bay (as pictured below).

Proudmoore as a server is very easy-going and more than generally accepting. I've seen people from other non-GLBT guilds warn and scold others in Trade chat for making demeaning remarks or for using insensitive or homophobic remarks, explaining that Proudmoore is the wrong server to be behaving that way. That's why we love where we "live" -- Proudmoore is a great place to be.
We'd imagine that belonging to a GLBT guild would provide some level of insulation from player harassment. Do you see many players transferring in to the server and guild for just that reason?
Many of our new recruits site the behavior of other players on other servers as at least one of their reasons for checking out Taint, and most stay on. But I'd say the overall feeling of acceptance within our guild is the main reason all of us are members.
Have you had any bad experiences with in-game harassment to members of your guild as a whole?
I've never been targeted personally for a homophobic attack. The guild as an entity has taken its share of lumps from those who were myopic or offended by our existence and have tried to cause problems -- but here we are, still standing and still going strong.
What has belonging to Taint brought to your gaming experience, personally?
Personally, being a member of Taint for so long has really changed my outlook on gaming and game-based online communities as a whole. So much good can be done for someone who is looking for an escape in the vein of which WoW provides, someone who may also be lucky enough to find a home like Taint provides: a haven for expression, friendship and acceptance that they may be lacking elsewhere. We all feel different for different reasons, but here at Taint, none of that matters. The guild has become a new sub-definition of the word "community."
Filed under: WoW Social Conventions, Virtual selves, Guilds, Features, Interviews, 15 Minutes of Fame






Reader Comments (Page 1 of 20)
Nick S Oct 21st 2008 4:07PM
It'd be really hard to be openly G, L, B, or T on WoW - the community includes quite a number of real idiots. Kudos.
SpaceDog Oct 21st 2008 4:33PM
Nomad:
Bah, I feared this kinda ignorance would show up in this thread.
There is nothing sexually explicit or inappropriate about this guild.
Being sheltered from different kinds of people and cultures is what causes intolerance.
Your "straight pride" comment, however, is ridiculous, and shows either an obvious lack of understanding or just plain ignorance.
Bah! This isn't the place to go in-depth, but it's also very sad that simple articles like one can't even go unopposed.
Nomad Oct 21st 2008 4:38PM
"Being sheltered from different kinds of people and cultures is what causes intolerance" Sex is none of these.
Moloth Oct 21st 2008 4:45PM
Nomad...
I happen to be straight, but you logic is flawed and reveals your ignorance, hypocrisy and small-mindedness.
Let me ask you... is it "Straight Pride" if you (assuming your male) hold your wife's/girlfriend's hand in public?
Is it "Straight Pride" if you kiss her in public?
If you casually remark to friends, co-workers or strangers that you're going on a date with her Friday night?
If you have sex with her?
If you have 'non-missionary' sex with her?
if you MARRY her?
if its not straight pride when YOU do those things... why is it 'Gay Pride" when someone else does the exact same things?
Every time you thoughtlessly express your sexual orientation in public, you're displaying "straight pride".
Why should other people have to hear about YOUR sexual preferences, if you dont want to hear about others'? Hm?
agnoster Oct 21st 2008 4:45PM
Nomad - what exactly do you mean by "this kind of stuff"? There's a very simple reason we don't need straight pride parades - being straight is completely socially accepted. You won't be discriminated against for being straight. But sadly, there are still people like you who think that people being gay is somehow wrong. I hope that, despite your best efforts to pass on your bigotry to your children, they grow up with a slightly more accepting view of the world.
SpaceDog Oct 21st 2008 4:48PM
I wouldn't expect you to talk to young children about sex. Forgive the cheese here, but it's about love more than sex.
A child's understanding of a couple, such as their parents or neighbours, is not based on the fact that they have sex. It's based on the fact that they are in a loving relationship.
This guild is no less child safe than any 18+ guild.
Stumps for Hands Oct 21st 2008 4:55PM
Nomad:
Straight-pride parades aren't necessary because straight people aren't subjected to intolerance from ignorant bigots like yourself as a result of their sexuality. And if you're worried about children seeing "this kind of stuff" in WoW because it's a place "where children play," well, it's not. See that big letter "T" on the front of the box? It stands for "teen" and it means the game isn't supposed to be played by children who haven't reached their teens, genius. Not that it should matter since queer sexuality isn't something dirty or shameful or something to be hidden from young people.
Cowbane Oct 21st 2008 5:01PM
-_- Has anyone ever heard of "Do not feed the Troll?"
Nomad Oct 21st 2008 5:04PM
I happen to be straight, but you logic is flawed and reveals your ignorance, hypocrisy and small-mindedness.
1) You do not know me to call me these things.
Let me ask you... is it "Straight Pride" if you (assuming your male) hold your wife's/girlfriend's hand in public?
Is it "Straight Pride" if you kiss her in public?
If you casually remark to friends, co-workers or strangers that you're going on a date with her Friday night?
If you have sex with her?
If you have 'non-missionary' sex with her?
if you MARRY her?
2) These things are between my partner, not for wild public display and me.
If it’s not straight pride when YOU do those things... why is it 'Gay Pride" when someone else does the exact same things?
3) Because it is natural, Gay pride is unnatural.
Every time you thoughtlessly express your sexual orientation in public, you're displaying "straight pride".
4) I do not do this; it is disrespectful to yourself and the other person.
Why should other people have to hear about YOUR sexual preferences, if you don’t want to hear about others'? Hm?t to do. As long a
5) If this post were it here, you would have never heard of my sexual preference.
Impulse Oct 21st 2008 7:10PM
@ Nomad:
No, you don't see straight pride parades. Why is that? Because straight people have no need to form them, they're the dominant species, so to speak. Pride parades are about publicly and loudly telling society That you're not ashamed of who you are, and you don't care who says you should be different.
Now, what part of that would apply to straight people? A straight pride parade would better be titled "Straight people terrified of gays" parade. I'm sorry to tell you, but if you're trying to keep your kids from being aware of the existence of homosexuals, you're fighting a losing battle. Might as well toss in the towel now, you can always give them your no-doubt anachronistic views on the subject when they ask you about it.
Moloth Oct 21st 2008 5:15PM
..and another thing, Nomad... WoW is rated T for Teens... if you're letting your "children" play this game, you're an irresponsible parent.
Your claims of homosexuality being "unnatural" are pathetically ignorant.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homosexual_behavior_in_animals
Pacsik Oct 21st 2008 5:17PM
@ Nomad
If your that worried about what your kids are exposed to why are you letting them play an online game at all? I see enough sexual refrences and things like 'ANAL [Crimson Shocker]' in trade chat that a gay pride march is positively wholesome. If you let your kids interact in a community they WILL get exposed to people and their ideas.
Tanglebones Oct 21st 2008 11:20PM
"'Being sheltered from different kinds of people and cultures is what causes intolerance' Sex is none of these."
Actually, social structures and normative behaviours surrounding sexuality are an essential part of culture. L2Anthropology, dude.
Kia Oct 21st 2008 10:29PM
As a very open bisexual woman myself, Nomad, I feel the need to say:
Get the -****- off my internets.
alexis Oct 21st 2008 11:10PM
uhh nomad... fyi, usually GLBT people are more on love than just sex. if u think everything is about sex, then mr poor guy, i think u have more problem than being a normal straight person. sad to say, u might not experienced true love after all...
Derick Oct 22nd 2008 2:05AM
I'm really proud of the readers of WoWInsider.
Woif Oct 22nd 2008 9:26AM
Nomad your not gonna win. To those who are presenting hard facts to him kudos to you. Wish I could do the same but I don't have as much info.
Super Guest Man 9000 Oct 21st 2008 4:09PM
I always wonder what kind of backlash their would be for Straight pride events.
muffin_of_chaos Oct 21st 2008 4:20PM
Hopefully, we won't get to the point where those are necessary.
Hopefully, we'll get to the point where no parade promoting self-respect is necessary.
But we aren't there yet.
SaintStryfe Oct 21st 2008 4:27PM
It's called Valentine's day. It happens yearly, and WoW focuses a holiday around it.