15 Minutes of Fame: Proudmoore guild plays out GLBT pride

If you've made even the occasional pass through the Blizzard forums, you're likely to have run up on at least one of the periodic flamefests with players stomping their virtual feetsies and pointing in horror at the Gay/Lesbian/Bisexual/Transgender (GLBT) guilds clustered on the Proudmoore server. Never one to ignore the elephant in the room, we got curious about what these guilds are all about and how they ended up on Proudmoore.
Our interview with Venfelder, a long-time member from the rank and file of Taint, paints a picture of a mature, friendly, open community of players making the most of WoW's many opportunities for raiding, PvPing and just plain hanging out together.

<Taint> (formerly The Spreading Taint)
Proudmoore-H (US)
15 Minutes of Fame: So how did you come to get involved in the Proudmoore community and Taint? Was it because of Proudmoore's GLBT-friendly reputation?
Venfelder: I became aware of and involved with Taint in August 2005, when I started up my main 'toon, after hearing from a friend about a GLBT-rooted guild on Proudmoore. Until then, I had been strictly Alliance. But I wanted to try out the Horde and escape the usual "This instance is gay," "I wasn't ready for that pull, fag!", assaulting gaming vernacular that was common on other servers. I have an extremely thick skin -- but all that junk gets tiresome when used as a constant form of punctuation.
A lot of players just don't understand why someone's sexual orientation would have any relevance to their guild experience in an online game. What does membership in Taint offer that players can't get in another guild?
The idea of a GLBT guild is really no different than guilds formed by a core of college students at the same school, a group of hardcore PvPers, or those guilds formed on a strict diet of raiding. Taint is essentially just the same, but with its core values and purpose comprised of non-discrimination, acceptance and social interaction. Whereas the other guilds may insert "PvP guild," "raiding guild" or "late-night UCLA guild" into their descriptive headlines, Taint's simply reads differently: a casual and accepting environment for the GLBT community and the straight folk we call friends.
Are there many -- or any -- non-GLBT members of Taint?
We have a ton of straight people – who, when discovered, become semi-celebrities for a bit. Of my closest in-game friends, half are straight.
What about the male:female ratio?
Without the aid of a guild census, I'd guess that Taint hovers around 90% male, 9% female and 1% other or undecided.
Is there an age restriction for guild membership?
There is an implemented 18 and over policy for joining Taint. Casual social interaction is a tenet, if you will, of the guild; as such, conversations may become frank, open, joyous, serious, crass, sometimes vulgar -- but in a fun way -- heartwarming or enlightening. The members of the guild are quite adept at self-censoring when need be as to not offend, but guild-wide conversations always have a chance of becoming a little blue. Eighteen and over is a "better safe than sorry" implementation.

First and foremost, I consider Taint a social guild. When I joined the guild it was a singular entity, one guild. Now, we have five guilds to house both mains and alts with a level-based structure.
But with 2,000 members, scores of dedicated five-man teams, Arena teams, PvP teams, over 10 10-man teams and four or more (at my last count) 25-man teams, Taint may be considered a raiding or hybrid guild as well. There is always plenty to do. Taint has made a quick march through the current content, with the first 25-man group being less than a year old and having taking down everything and everyone past Illidan. The following 25-man groups are catching up quickly.
In my opinion, the guild is still social-centric, with most of the people looking for a friendly environment to play openly and meet new friends. But everyone is encouraged to follow their own path in determining what it is they want from the game itself -- so joining a 25-man team, etc., is made quite easy.
Is Taint in WoW part of a larger gaming community that crosses into other online games?
Taint isn't a WoW-only guild. We have a presence in the City Of games (City of Heroes, City of Villains) as well as Warhammer Online. In Warcraft, the community spans both in-game factions, as well. Within the Horde, there are several other GLBT guilds, as there are on the Alliance side.
What about RL Taint meetups?
Taint hosts several regional meetups throughout the year. Los Angeles, NYC and Atlanta are just a few of the venues, with this year's main meet happening in Vegas in early October (the same weekend as BlizzCon). I've personally met a few of my fellow local Tainters and have formed strong ties with some that I've only spoken to on Vent or met in-game.
Does Taint have alliances, events or other regular interaction with other GLBT groups on Proudmoore?
Taint is friendly with all of our like-minded comrades, but I'd say our strongest tie is with the La Familia De Stonewall on the Alliance faction, with whom we co-host the annual gay pride march from the Crossroads to Booty Bay (as pictured below).

Proudmoore as a server is very easy-going and more than generally accepting. I've seen people from other non-GLBT guilds warn and scold others in Trade chat for making demeaning remarks or for using insensitive or homophobic remarks, explaining that Proudmoore is the wrong server to be behaving that way. That's why we love where we "live" -- Proudmoore is a great place to be.
We'd imagine that belonging to a GLBT guild would provide some level of insulation from player harassment. Do you see many players transferring in to the server and guild for just that reason?
Many of our new recruits site the behavior of other players on other servers as at least one of their reasons for checking out Taint, and most stay on. But I'd say the overall feeling of acceptance within our guild is the main reason all of us are members.
Have you had any bad experiences with in-game harassment to members of your guild as a whole?
I've never been targeted personally for a homophobic attack. The guild as an entity has taken its share of lumps from those who were myopic or offended by our existence and have tried to cause problems -- but here we are, still standing and still going strong.
What has belonging to Taint brought to your gaming experience, personally?
Personally, being a member of Taint for so long has really changed my outlook on gaming and game-based online communities as a whole. So much good can be done for someone who is looking for an escape in the vein of which WoW provides, someone who may also be lucky enough to find a home like Taint provides: a haven for expression, friendship and acceptance that they may be lacking elsewhere. We all feel different for different reasons, but here at Taint, none of that matters. The guild has become a new sub-definition of the word "community."
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Reader Comments (Page 2 of 20)
Zach Oct 21st 2008 4:35PM
The same thing that would happen if there were a WET channel. White Entertainment Television.
Runstadrey Oct 21st 2008 4:36PM
Why don't you organize the event, call it whateve the hell you like. I bet Blizz wouldn't say a word and most likely nobody would even give a shit.
I'm straight & married over 20 years, but I'd like to be on that server to get away from the idiots like you on my realm.
Super Guest Man 9000 - FTL!!!
SaintStryfe Oct 21st 2008 4:58PM
WET exists. It's called Vs. or maybe the Golf Channel.
offday Oct 21st 2008 4:59PM
I have nothing against homosexuals, but this nation goes extremely out of its' way so that we don't "offend" the minorities, often times hurting the majority at the same time.
offday Oct 21st 2008 5:01PM
Saint,
Last time I checked one of the greatest golfers of all time was black. Nice try, though.
SaintStryfe Oct 21st 2008 5:08PM
Last I checked, private courses still were off-bounds to Blacks until pretty dang recently.
I'm trying to make a joke to show the absurdity of the idiotic statement above. Don't over think it.
Super Guest Man 9000 Oct 21st 2008 5:28PM
I feel I was misunderstood, it seems that all the minorities and such of the world feel the need to express themselves through such festivities and such and use them in turn as means of acceptance. But should that be turned around and used by what the majority is, I feel our too politically correct world would see it as oppressive of others and would be significant backlash. My point being that because the majority being the majority its held to different standards of conduct. Not knocking anyone's sexual orintation or race or what not, just pondering something I feel is interesting.
Bobbo Oct 21st 2008 6:34PM
I think straights (and other majorities in general) are already pretty set without pride events. Similarly, as Chris Rock stated when white people complain that black folk are "allowed" to say the n-word, that's pretty much the only "advantage" blacks have vs. whites in society. Wanna trade?
Lucas Oct 21st 2008 9:20PM
America offends minorities, they don't go out of their way to make sure that they don't by any means.
offday Oct 21st 2008 8:58PM
You're obviously a part of a minority. Only they are blind to see how much American goes out its' way for them.
muffin_of_chaos Oct 21st 2008 9:05PM
How, Offday? Let's qualify some stuff in here.
Manatank Oct 21st 2008 4:10PM
If you live in California please vote no on prop 8.
http://rudip.com/2008/10/please-vote-no-on-prop-8/
eillind Oct 21st 2008 4:20PM
if you live in california please vote YES on prop 8.
xeren Oct 21st 2008 4:20PM
just got back my voter registration confirm yesterday- i'll be voting NO on Prop 8.
one of my favorite bits from the comedian Louis CK:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1d63ClccjjE
Stumps for Hands Oct 21st 2008 4:26PM
I wish I lived in California so I could vote "no" on Prop 8.
muffin_of_chaos Oct 21st 2008 6:54PM
Yes, please vote No...try to remember that marriage being restricted to heterosexual couples is religious doctrine.
Marriage as ordained by society in general isn't religious, it's a social and political convention...i.e., you don't have to be Christian to get married.
And your rights to government-sponsored unions (read: Marriages*) shouldn't be restricted based on sexual orientation.
* - At least, by the definition of everyone except uptight self-conscious people who believe their more specific definition should trump the more general one.
Rudi Oct 21st 2008 4:42PM
Manatank,
you're just awesome - I was surprised to see a link to my site. Thanks for the support!
Now if you'll excuse me, I'm off to apply for this guild. :)
agnoster Oct 21st 2008 4:49PM
Seconded. Also, if you have friends in California, please talk to them about Prop 8, which would amend the state constitution to make gay marriage - already ruled to be currently legal under the constitution - illegal. It's discriminatory and hateful. They call their website "protect marriage" - and yet they're trying to ban a perfectly legal form of marriage. Personally, I don't know any straight marriages that are threatened by gay marriage, and for those who do feel threatened - your marriage may have problems that are not caused by Teh Gays.
Trustee of Lothar Oct 22nd 2008 8:42AM
I'm of a slightly different frame of mind regarding marriage. I think religious and civil marriage should be completely separated.
Civil marriage would encompass all the rights and privileges that status currently entails, but would be available to everybody. I fail to see how a religious ceremony can grant a person civil privileges.
Religious marriage would have nothing to do with civil rights and would be a matter of church. If you want to pledge yourself to your loved one before god, please do! Just don't expect a tax break for it!
This should solve the problem for all the religious people who are offended by different kinds of people being in love AND for the people who are in love but unable to obtain the same rights that an estranged family member holds. We're not saying that god supports the marriage, but we are saying that if you choose a partner for life you should be allowed the same civil status as anybody else who does so.
Win-win?
muffin_of_chaos Oct 22nd 2008 10:39PM
@Trustee:
Sounds good to me. No one better start complaining when a lot of people call civil unions "marriages" anyway, though.