15 Minutes of Fame: Proudmoore guild plays out GLBT pride

If you've made even the occasional pass through the Blizzard forums, you're likely to have run up on at least one of the periodic flamefests with players stomping their virtual feetsies and pointing in horror at the Gay/Lesbian/Bisexual/Transgender (GLBT) guilds clustered on the Proudmoore server. Never one to ignore the elephant in the room, we got curious about what these guilds are all about and how they ended up on Proudmoore.
Our interview with Venfelder, a long-time member from the rank and file of Taint, paints a picture of a mature, friendly, open community of players making the most of WoW's many opportunities for raiding, PvPing and just plain hanging out together.

<Taint> (formerly The Spreading Taint)
Proudmoore-H (US)
15 Minutes of Fame: So how did you come to get involved in the Proudmoore community and Taint? Was it because of Proudmoore's GLBT-friendly reputation?
Venfelder: I became aware of and involved with Taint in August 2005, when I started up my main 'toon, after hearing from a friend about a GLBT-rooted guild on Proudmoore. Until then, I had been strictly Alliance. But I wanted to try out the Horde and escape the usual "This instance is gay," "I wasn't ready for that pull, fag!", assaulting gaming vernacular that was common on other servers. I have an extremely thick skin -- but all that junk gets tiresome when used as a constant form of punctuation.
A lot of players just don't understand why someone's sexual orientation would have any relevance to their guild experience in an online game. What does membership in Taint offer that players can't get in another guild?
The idea of a GLBT guild is really no different than guilds formed by a core of college students at the same school, a group of hardcore PvPers, or those guilds formed on a strict diet of raiding. Taint is essentially just the same, but with its core values and purpose comprised of non-discrimination, acceptance and social interaction. Whereas the other guilds may insert "PvP guild," "raiding guild" or "late-night UCLA guild" into their descriptive headlines, Taint's simply reads differently: a casual and accepting environment for the GLBT community and the straight folk we call friends.
Are there many -- or any -- non-GLBT members of Taint?
We have a ton of straight people – who, when discovered, become semi-celebrities for a bit. Of my closest in-game friends, half are straight.
What about the male:female ratio?
Without the aid of a guild census, I'd guess that Taint hovers around 90% male, 9% female and 1% other or undecided.
Is there an age restriction for guild membership?
There is an implemented 18 and over policy for joining Taint. Casual social interaction is a tenet, if you will, of the guild; as such, conversations may become frank, open, joyous, serious, crass, sometimes vulgar -- but in a fun way -- heartwarming or enlightening. The members of the guild are quite adept at self-censoring when need be as to not offend, but guild-wide conversations always have a chance of becoming a little blue. Eighteen and over is a "better safe than sorry" implementation.

First and foremost, I consider Taint a social guild. When I joined the guild it was a singular entity, one guild. Now, we have five guilds to house both mains and alts with a level-based structure.
But with 2,000 members, scores of dedicated five-man teams, Arena teams, PvP teams, over 10 10-man teams and four or more (at my last count) 25-man teams, Taint may be considered a raiding or hybrid guild as well. There is always plenty to do. Taint has made a quick march through the current content, with the first 25-man group being less than a year old and having taking down everything and everyone past Illidan. The following 25-man groups are catching up quickly.
In my opinion, the guild is still social-centric, with most of the people looking for a friendly environment to play openly and meet new friends. But everyone is encouraged to follow their own path in determining what it is they want from the game itself -- so joining a 25-man team, etc., is made quite easy.
Is Taint in WoW part of a larger gaming community that crosses into other online games?
Taint isn't a WoW-only guild. We have a presence in the City Of games (City of Heroes, City of Villains) as well as Warhammer Online. In Warcraft, the community spans both in-game factions, as well. Within the Horde, there are several other GLBT guilds, as there are on the Alliance side.
What about RL Taint meetups?
Taint hosts several regional meetups throughout the year. Los Angeles, NYC and Atlanta are just a few of the venues, with this year's main meet happening in Vegas in early October (the same weekend as BlizzCon). I've personally met a few of my fellow local Tainters and have formed strong ties with some that I've only spoken to on Vent or met in-game.
Does Taint have alliances, events or other regular interaction with other GLBT groups on Proudmoore?
Taint is friendly with all of our like-minded comrades, but I'd say our strongest tie is with the La Familia De Stonewall on the Alliance faction, with whom we co-host the annual gay pride march from the Crossroads to Booty Bay (as pictured below).

Proudmoore as a server is very easy-going and more than generally accepting. I've seen people from other non-GLBT guilds warn and scold others in Trade chat for making demeaning remarks or for using insensitive or homophobic remarks, explaining that Proudmoore is the wrong server to be behaving that way. That's why we love where we "live" -- Proudmoore is a great place to be.
We'd imagine that belonging to a GLBT guild would provide some level of insulation from player harassment. Do you see many players transferring in to the server and guild for just that reason?
Many of our new recruits site the behavior of other players on other servers as at least one of their reasons for checking out Taint, and most stay on. But I'd say the overall feeling of acceptance within our guild is the main reason all of us are members.
Have you had any bad experiences with in-game harassment to members of your guild as a whole?
I've never been targeted personally for a homophobic attack. The guild as an entity has taken its share of lumps from those who were myopic or offended by our existence and have tried to cause problems -- but here we are, still standing and still going strong.
What has belonging to Taint brought to your gaming experience, personally?
Personally, being a member of Taint for so long has really changed my outlook on gaming and game-based online communities as a whole. So much good can be done for someone who is looking for an escape in the vein of which WoW provides, someone who may also be lucky enough to find a home like Taint provides: a haven for expression, friendship and acceptance that they may be lacking elsewhere. We all feel different for different reasons, but here at Taint, none of that matters. The guild has become a new sub-definition of the word "community."
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Reader Comments (Page 20 of 20)
Gravetongue Mar 19th 2009 12:20PM
Re: post 380
I'm an Officer in The Spreading Taint, and I'm not 100% positive who the poster is, but I'm 99.9% sure I know who this is, so I'll respond to the post. If not, I'm sorry in advance.
The Taint is a HUGE guild with members of all backgrounds. Obviously its not a panacea for all gay gamers in the world. Guild chat in Taint can be a dirty, dirty place at times. We also talk about politics, what we did over the weekend, patches, our families, and our pets. But if dirty guild chat is offensive, yeah ....you need to get out of the Taint. There are lots of other LGBT guilds on Proudmoore though, and we maintain a list on our website.
But I did want to address the accusation that we have Blizzard employees giving us inside information: that's just ridiculous. AFAIK, we have no employees in our guild. If we do, they've never said anything to the Officers. If "Lazer" is who I think he is, he left the guild once and then reapplied later to join. We kicked him out the second time after finding he lied on the second application. It didn't require any information from Blizzard.
Anyhow, its interesting to see how this discussion continues so long after the original article. I'm glad folks can learn that no matter their orientation/interests, there is a guild somewhere on a server that fits them: casual, hardcore raiding, Christian, LGBT, and whatever else floats your boat.
Tim Mar 19th 2009 6:14PM
I'm not an officer. I'm not a longterm member. Just your average joe that joined the guild about a month ago. I came here after seeing these guys in the news..just the same way you readers are viewing this.
What I am however is a gaming veteran and a former customer service supervisor for a major MMO. I've been around the block many times and have been in more guilds than I can count. I've seen the best and worst of this industry on both the business and consumer ends.
What I can tell you is this. If you..regardless of orientation..are interested in the happiest, funniest, most enjoyable MMO experience of your life...come play with Taint. You don't have to be GLBT to play here. Just a friendly and quality individual.
We love to have fun, and yes..that can sometimes be in a form that could make a sailor blush. This guild isn't for everyone and there will always be some folks who are just too sensitive. That is a fact of life with guilds in general and unfortunately something capitalized on when a guild like ours is in the news.
We're a big guild. We like it that way and it keeps things active. However, big guilds and small guilds alike sometimes have short term members who act out for attention. This is one of those cases and I hope you don't let these ridiculous comments delay your application for one second.
In 14 years of MMO playing, I can honestly say the last month has been the very best I have ever experienced.
marcopicotrain Jun 9th 2009 4:46PM
Ya pride in back! June 20th noon server.
http://taint.rtgc.org/
ticketzoom Oct 15th 2010 4:00PM
As a gay female on Hyjal, I am sick of the homophobia that is rampant on this server. I am more disappointed that Blizzard seems to tacitly allow this by not monitoring trade chat more effectively (if at all).
I am glad there is a realm out there that on the whole, refuses to encourage homophobia and homophobic remarks as par for the course.
After reading this post, I I am moving my toon to Proudmore, hopefully Taint will have me and my two level 80's.
I am sick of raid healing tanks that relish in randomly calling low performing dps, mobs and other players "f-$gs".