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10-27-2008 @ 8:21AM
" The Alliance could not help them, and so they were forced to accept the offer of their ancient enemies, the naga, to lead them to new power." "All this angered the Alliance and drove a deep wedge between them, severing that tie completely."Way to gloss over one of the most important parts of this and completely ruin the ACTUAL reason that Blood Elves are not Alliance.Garithos treated the Prince of the High Elves like some worthless piece of trash. He was racist and hated the High Elves. So he sent an ally of the humans who had been helping them at all times and taught them magic into fights with the express purpose of having them get slaughtered to give the humans an advantage. Kael'thas had no choice. The naga gave him and his people a chance to survive a suicide mission and he took it. Garithos branded him and his people a traitor for getting assistance and imprisoned them. Lady Vashj busted him out and he decided that he would not deal with a group of people that betrayed him and were not there for his people when his people needed them most. The truth is that the Alliance treated them horribly and they left not because they could find new energies to stave off the horrible addiction corrupting them, but because even if the Alliance could help them, they wouldn't. The wiki article you got most of this info has been edited with the important information taken off.I suggest looking at this snippet to see what was taken off.http://www.wowwiki.com/Warcraft_III:_The_Frozen_Throne#Alliance_Campaign:_Curse_of_the_Blood_ElvesThe wiki article has been edited a lot by people trying to paint them into a much worse light than they deserve. The race was written to have a feeling of righteous anger. They were betrayed by people that they had always assisted and they are vengeful now.A flawed race, no doubt, but ignoring the failures that led to their current situation is a disservice.
10-27-2008 @ 8:40AM
Heh, Angus brought up the points I was going to bring up between the time I read the article and was reading the comments... It was the Alliance (or more specifically, a human leader) who betrayed the High Elves and drove a very deep wedge in between them. And then the Scourge invaded with the human prince Arthas at their lead, laying waste to their homeland. Sure, Arthas was evil incarnate by that point and an enemy to every thing that lived, but I rather doubt that was exactly common knowledge by then. And I'm sure it sealed the deal as far as the break with the Alliance went.Also, it's important to remember that the naga aren't some just random evil race the High Elves turned to for aid, but distant relations. Naga are mutated elves, the same as High/blood elves are (and dryads, satyr and who knows how many other races). Specifically, they are the remains of the highborne 'night' elves that once followed Queen Azshara and followed her into the depths of the ocean when the original Well of Eternity was destroyed. So they are actually fairly similar in story to the Blood Elves. Driven out of their home because of their fascination and study of arcane magic.So it's not very much a surprise that Blood Elves are very suspicious, insular and a bit arrogant. Every ally, even members of their own faith, has at some point betrayed and either tried to kill them or drive them away. Even their own Prince now has gone mad and tried to destroy them in the name of 'saving' them. Yet the Blood Elf nation still stands.
10-27-2008 @ 8:48AM
Truthiness? On -my- WoW Insider? Home of the 'Alliance goooood, Horde baaaaad' piece writers? You're fighting an uphill battle there, dude, but I salute you.
10-27-2008 @ 9:45AM
/agree with NanaThere is a significant Alliance bias in these articles. I think the main reason for this is most Alliance RP'ers think of themselves as the good guys, and (intentionally or not) gloss over the mistakes in their history.For further examples of this, go take a look at the 'So you want to be a Draenei' article, and some of my comments, and subsequent responses.
10-27-2008 @ 11:20AM
@Angus/agreeWell said. Lets not forget that , Blood Elves are actually the one's to give the Humans they're 1rst taste of magic, and all its wonders. To be able to defend against Sargeras' forces. Throughout lore, dating back to those favored by Azshara. BE's always dabbled in magic, whilst in dire times, others (Night Elves), went the way of druidism."We've come a long way, but the road goes on." -=Ranger-General Pexxle GoldenScale=- ~Last of the Highborne~ (Silverhand)
10-27-2008 @ 12:49PM
I just checked over the WoWIki article and am boggled to see that you are completely right. The fact that Garithos first sent Kael'thas and his men to certain death, and after that imprisoned and sentenced them to definite death is completely taken out. "Desperate for aid following the Third War, the blood elves allied with the naga." As it stands in the article, this sentence is an outright lie. Normally I defend WoW Wiki to be decently reliable as an information source. Disappointing. Very disappointing.
10-27-2008 @ 3:02PM
Um. Okay. I don't know where some of you are coming up with things like "Alliance good, Horde bad piece writers," but yeah, I'll go back and look at this stuff you linked and see if it is much more important than I originally realized before. For me it's not just a matter of what happened -- I want to write about it in such a way that it's clear *why* it happened. Why was Garithos so racist towards these people who had been so helpful in the past, especially considering all they had been through. I never owned the expansion of Warcraft 3, so I'll have to read about it and see how I can piece it together.It's also really hard to convey all the important information a person without writing a small book on the topic. I'm trying hard to be concise, so that you don't have to do so much reading to get what you need to know. Hopefully there will be a way to put this in without making the article too long and unweildy.I also agree, as I mentioned in the last paragraph, I found WoWwiki to be a really disjointed and confusing account of blood elf history, and it was hard to make sense of the characters' motivations with it. Anyways I'll give it another look. Thanks, Angus, your contribution was helpful.
10-27-2008 @ 3:32PM
"Um. Okay. I don't know where some of you are coming up with things like "Alliance good, Horde bad piece writers," but yeah, I'll go back and look at this stuff you linked and see if it is much more important than I originally realized before."I wasn't the one that said that. In fact I never indicated a bias in your article. I indicated you left out one of the most crucial bits of information.I can see why though. You never played the Frozen Thrown so you would not see how that played out."I'm trying hard to be concise, so that you don't have to do so much reading to get what you need to know. Hopefully there will be a way to put this in without making the article too long and unweildy."And I appreciate it. I also wanted that information to better reflect the race itself. A race that has the ability to be played in a variety of ways and is so close to being either redeemed completely or able to fall utterly deserves to have the reasoning behind it correctly.Also, a lot of people that believe the Alliance are the "Good Guys" need to see that their faction is not perfect and the Blood Elves were not traitors when they were the ones betrayed. Knowing this is very important to the dynamic with them and the Alliance.
10-27-2008 @ 6:47PM
@ NekoAli:Uh, Dryads aren't related to the Night Elves in the sense that they're mutant descendants. They're the sisters of the Keepers of the Grove, who are in turn the offspring of Cenarius, who was the offspring of the union of two Night Elven deities, so I can see why you might think they're related. Aside from that, you took the words right out of my mouth.
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