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11-07-2008 @ 7:21PM
Terrible decision, really. They'd have to buff the hell out of the coefficient for it to be even remotely worth the using if they added a six second cooldown to it.A 6 second cooldown means that instead of casting CoH 4+ times, you now cast it once. Reducing the output of the only decent AoE heal by 75% doesn't make the priest a more "versatile" class, it effectively removes AoE healing capabilities for all intents and purposes. The strength of CoH comes from its spamability because, let's be honest, one cast of it is weak as hell. Dramatically upping the coefficient, increasing the number of targets hit and the range, or something like that would help but if they want priests to do something other than spam CoH, they should create more dynamic encounters where CoH is less valuable... or is useful during certain phases. Get creative, folks. On top of making healing more fun, it would provide another spot that highlights the skill of the person at the keyboard rather than the iLevel of the items being worn.
11-07-2008 @ 8:14PM
I am svery much in favor of this "nerf." CoH was a lovely spell, I used to spec it before I switched to IDS, for the good of my guildies. However, the numbers don't lie, CoH became very overpowered with the recent tweaks.Pre-patch, among my regular raiding friends, I would usually be among a tight 1st-3rd place on the healing meter, one competitor being a pally, the other a CoH priest. Our gear is roughly equivalent of each otherThe raid right after the talent tweaks, I took IDS again, knowing all of my priest friends would go CoH. Our next 25-man resulted in me struggling to keep 6th place on the meters, with the other 4 priests in the group doing more than double the output, and over 80% of each of their heals were from CoH. Priests who were still wearing blues and gearing up in Kara were out-shining me, and I'm Hyjal material. My overhealing shot through the roof, since even with +10% haste, instant casts will always beat out a Flash Heal. With 4 people spamming CoH over each other, I was lucky if any of my renews got more than one or two ticks per cast.After a while, I gave up on healing, and resorted to DoTs and Lolsmiting. It was better use for my mana.As far as it being "weak as hell", requiring several casts for it to do much good, consider this: PoH is for that kind of stuff. If you have time to cast CoH3+ times, you could have cast PoH in that time and done just as much healing. Yes, it's a 41-talent, and it needs to get a little love for that. That love comes in that it's not group-based, is a smart-heal, and an instant cast that can prevent things from hitting the fan too fast, not to mention that mana-wise, it's really not bad, either. This cooldown isn't to say "No one use this ability!!" It's to prevent priests from just spamming til the cows come home. The CD will prevent it from being abused, but won't stop the spell from being useful! At level 80, I have every intention of getting CoH, six-second CD and all.
11-07-2008 @ 8:50PM
Have you considered the possibility that you're just bad?One of a few things is true here.Either you're talking about AoE-damage-centric fights where CoH priests SHOULD be doing lots of healing, you're not properly taking into account roles (the tank healer is going to have less healing than the raid healer no matter what specs they are) or you just don't know how to play a disc priest.Now, disc in a raid is going to under-perform compared to holy, even in the same gear, it's SUPPOSED TO, but if you're in Hyjal gear and getting out-healed by such a large margin by players in blues/greens on fights that aren't predominantly AoE damage... then, I'm sorry to say, but you just aren't very good. Maybe, instead of QQing about how awful it is that you're so low on the healing meters (as if that, itself, even matters... roll a rogue if you want your e-peen stroked), you should go l2p.I've raided as both IDS and CoH... and, yes, taking the "support" spec hurt my numbers and my "rank" on the healing meters... but nowhere near the level you describe, so either I'm phenomenally good (doubtful) or you need to work on your skills.That said, *A* nerf and *THIS* nerf are two different animals. 2-3s cooldown? Okay, not terrible. 4-6s cooldown, but hits 8-10 targets? Fine. 4-6s cooldown but does 2-3x the healing per cast? Tolerable.This particular nerf removes priests from AoE healing almost instantly. If your only viable AoE heal can only be cast once every 6 seconds and heals for such a low amount, you're basically worthless. Totally not worth a 41-point talent... 21 point, maybe, but not so far down the tree.
11-07-2008 @ 9:39PM
I love how your first response is to assume I don't know what I'm doing. Rest assured, I am well-loved on my server, precisely because I'm damn good at being a priest. Alas, as far as rogues go, my rogue is most assuredly the worst one in the guild.I also never mentioned Green gear, I said blues and Kara gear, and pre-patch, I outhealed these players easily. For the sake of laying the facts out, I have no Hyjal Gear, I'm just geared enough to do it. However, have you ever run with 4 other priests spamming the new CoH? As previously stated, a flash heal just isn't as fast as instant casts.Heal-meters normally matter very little to me. I know I'm Disc, I expect to heal less than a CoH priest in matching gear; as long as I do my part, no one dies, we're all good. But four CoH priests who previously averaged about 70%-80% of my heals should not suddenly be doubling my output. How does that make sense? If that's all anyone has to do to heal, why not *everyone* go Holy & spam? There is no reason to use any other spell, with how OP this is now.
11-08-2008 @ 2:05AM
Basically, your in T5 gear doing sub-par T6 content, supposedly one of the best priests on your server, and your asking for a CoH nerf. Blizz pls don't listen to ppl like this. Until your farming BT and well on the way to seeing off Kael I'm not sure you have a leg to stand on. Binding heal was OP in Ramps! blargh
11-08-2008 @ 12:53PM
Ok, you're saying that a person has to be at the verge of killing Illidan and Kil'jaden before they can even give an opinion about one of their spells or abilities, right?Look, even a priest going through Karazhan can tell that CoH is doing too much. Priests were never meant to spam the same spell over and over again. "Binding heal was OP in Ramps! blargh"You know, I have not used Binding heal at all since the patch. It's actually been better for me to throw a CoH in that situation.I hate it how so many priests hinge their usefulness on one 41 point talent spell being spammable. Look, even if there is a stigma concerning T6 content, this won't matter in 5 days anyways.I believe there will be a spot waiting for me at level 80, and that's because I trust my guild to not base my going on the fact that ONE of my many healing spells can only be cast every 6 seconds. If your guild does go by that basis, maybe it's time to find a better guild.
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