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11-15-2008 @ 9:41PM
For all those saying we didn't see much of the content - we sure did. We've done the very same quests you have, (some of us prefered instance grinding) we only did it faster and without any sleep. Overall I personaly think that Blizzard did a really great job with the quests and 5man dungeons, which is what the majority of the players will experience during the next month. But, once players reach the raidinstances, they'll notice a major drop of quality, and the difficulty seems to assume that you've never raided before (with a few bosses being exceptions).
11-16-2008 @ 1:07AM
of course you saw the same quests, you had months in beta to learn the content.world firsting something when you've spent months in beta is such a LOLworthy achievment. I'd freaking HOPE you could spend months training on the content and then world first it. Hell any 25 dedicated retards could do that.You want respect, go at it blind. No prior knowledge, no prior practice. That's something worth noting.You've accomplished nothing that any other 25 people with the same drive, same access and same commitment of time couldnt do.I expected more.
11-16-2008 @ 7:23AM
Ah, I think this is the crux of the issue.Speaking as somebody who has, in fact, never raided before, I'm quite glad that the new Endgame content is accessible to, well, people like me. Sure, ideally I'd like to do all the original and BC raid content *as well* but in practice that's going to be difficult, if only because now the level cap's off, finding a large group of people to come and do the Black Temple, all of whom are *exactly* level 70 and who *aren't* heading straight to Northrend is going to be next to impossible. Ultimately the only way to get the real "endgame" experience is going to be to play the actual endgame and there will always be people, like me, who have never done it before.To put it another way, the assumption that the players have never raided before will, for many, many people, be correct.Now I do, in fact, understand your concerns. Anything that's accessible to somebody like me is going to be trivial to somebody like you, but anything that's interesting to somebody like you is going to be impossible for somebody like me. Ideally people like me would be able to practice on the "old" endgame, but in practice it doesn't work like that and never has.What this means is that the Endgame *will* actually have to stay at about the same level of difficulty, which means that from the perspective of guys like you it's going to get "easier" because you've done it all a hundred times before. Hopefully that will change in upcoming content patches.
11-17-2008 @ 3:03AM
the difficulty seems to assume that you've never raided beforeGood. That's the point. Like it or not, there will be people in the months to come that DO reach level 80 having never raided before. Where are they supposed to learn? Because of the way the levelling curve works, UBRS / Karazhan etc. aren't any use as training instances. There has to be somewhere for newbies to get into the raid game for the very first time, which means that having the first instance be puggable in quest blues with a non-optimised raid composition is exactly correct tuning.As for you - you haven't actually completed all the game's challenges, and it's false to claim you have. Come back when you've done Sartharion with all drakes alive, and then you can complain that you've run out of content. The hard-mode achievements are the content that was made and tuned for you, and I do honestly wish you the very best of fortune with it. Now go and get started! Meanwhile, quit bitching about the fact that you completed the training-wheels instances quickly. That's what they're FOR.
11-16-2008 @ 9:39AM
I would've thought that the 10 man instances served as the casual or learning approach to raiding. I have no complaints about that said instances are easy. Just give it a few weeks and even casual guilds will have beaten all 25man content, and then you might see the point I'm trying to make.It sounds to me like you're suggesting that we should've done something different? It's not like we can intentionally fail on an encounter just to slow things down. Don't take me wrong, we love raiding and we love challenges - but the only challenge that seems to exist at the moment is how fast you do things.
11-19-2008 @ 10:42AM
LOL....Like your one of "them". Probably still level 70 and haven't slept since last Thursday. Get a real hobby. I guess imitation is flattery though.
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