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11-19-2008 @ 6:08PM
Here we go. Here come the "Blizzard is targeting the casual crowd and screwing everyone else other" comments.
11-19-2008 @ 6:22PM
isn't "everyone else" the casual crowd?
11-19-2008 @ 7:04PM
Joe wins.It's not "casuals and everyone else", it's "hardcore and everyone else".The vast, VAST majority of players in this game are casual. A quick walk around any major city Pre-3.0 would have shown you a multitude of non-70s, 70s geared in blues and kara epics, and full honor pvp gear. These are the people that don't raid 5 days a week, and perhaps don't even play 5 days a week.These are the majority of the playerbase, and this time around, the focus is on them.
11-19-2008 @ 9:16PM
I'd rather they target the casual crowd. More people fall into the "I don't run an instance 10 times to get all the loot" category then not. These are the people that don't have all the gear from Kara.If Wrath is "too easy" it's likely because the people that ran Kara 50 times are overbuffed compared to your average player. Run Heroic without being an 80 and tell me it's too easy. :P
11-19-2008 @ 11:53PM
blizzard isn't catering to the casuals, they are catering to the entitled casuals who feel they deserve every epic piece of gear from every raid without putting in any real effort/work.The fact that all the raid content has been cleared by people in lvl 70 gear, with many not even at the level cap yet tells me that blizz turned down the meter too far and made this game a joke. I will reserve my "real" rant for a couple months when every drooling idiot is 10manning the 25man naxx and there is no 'game' left but just a glorified chat room.Even casuals should be bothered by the fact that blizzard is catering to the lowest common denominator. People who want something for nothing, people that cry and moan and complain that they cant get warglaives since they only play 2hours a week and "that isnt fair" or "they arent no-lifers" and bla bla. These are the people that will cause the downfall of WoW, because they are the majority in this game, and they are paying customers.Just watch, in a few months when everyone realizes that this content is a joke - and there is no challenge left in the game, and the only thing left is a bunch of babies crying for nerfs and free gear and easy content and you will see WoW start to die. And maybe, just maybe, will you casuals begin to understand why us hardcore gamers despise the entitled brats of our world.
11-20-2008 @ 12:03AM
Sorry to say this but again Blizzard dropped the ball.Casuals deserves nice lookin blues and DKs prove you can have blue gear and still look pretty good. Hardcore deserves epics and they deserve content that makes those weapons epic to obtain. 3 steps would resolve ALOT.1. Separate 5 mans into 'reg' and 'heroic' these drops blues and purples relative to level (so a level 79 purple is still a full 'tier' under naxx 25 man stuff)2. Separate PvP into 'casual and 'hardcore' Casual being blues and under and hardcore being Purples plus.3. Separate Raids into 10 and 25 mans which drops blues and purples in that order.Casuals and yes I am one of them does not NEED epics. What both Casuals and Hardcore DOES need? Balance and Blizzard cannot seem to do it right outside RTSs
11-20-2008 @ 2:15AM
Ah, more "us hardcore" vs "you casuals" rant.Kind of amusing how the hardcore crowd bandy around words like "entitled brats"... when they are the ones doing the qq. Childish, much?Casuals just keep doing what they enjoy best - playing.
11-20-2008 @ 4:16AM
I'd...like to point out that Wrath has been out for a WEEK. Sunwell Plateau, admittedly the hardest raid in all of WoW before Wrath's release was opened three months after Burning Crusade's launch.I'm sure Blizzard has plenty, plenty, PLENTY more surprises up their sleeves for the coming months.
11-20-2008 @ 5:47AM
Bleh - that you have used the phrase "effort/work" shows you do not have the perspective to understand why the changes have been made, and who they were made for.Thankfully people like you are in the minority.
11-20-2008 @ 7:36AM
"Sunwell Plateau, admittedly the hardest raid in all of WoW before Wrath's release was opened three months after Burning Crusade's launch."Uhh... what?Burning Crusade: January 16, 2007 Patch 2.4.0: 25 March, 2008You mean a year and three months... right?
11-20-2008 @ 8:21AM
In response to the person above who suggested that "hardcore" players "deserved" epics in return for all their effort.Isn't that kind of backward logic?Epics, having better stats than lesser gear, make your character more powerful, which means they effectively make the game *easier*. Once you run out of new raids to run through, each new piece of kit you acquire will just make the game less challenging, and the challenge is, allegedly, what the "hardcores" are all about.I mean, you wouldn't suggest that, because he's the greatest chess player in the world, Kasparov should get to use more pieces than everybody else.
11-20-2008 @ 9:49AM
"Casuals and yes I am one of them does not NEED epics. What both Casuals and Hardcore DOES need? Balance and Blizzard cannot seem to do it right outside RTSs"It's a damn good thing that you aren't on the design team then. As per your own suggestion, I'd like you to try balancing things around 1 group of people being perpetually stuck in blues and the other having access to the best of the best epic gear. How exactly would you go about balancing that?
11-20-2008 @ 12:45PM
You're right, the casual vs. hardcore argument in incredibly inane. The raid content that shipped with Wrath is tuned to be beatable by just about anyone ... by design. This is not a bad thing as it is the entry level content. There will be less experienced guilds that struggle, but it will not be a monumental task to complete the content like the opening raids of TBC were.There will be challenges to come, but for now gear up and get ready.
11-20-2008 @ 2:55PM
Ok, I just want to clear one thing up. I am not hating casuals, nor am I in the whole hardcore vs. casual mindset. I dislike people who feel ENTITLED to something they didn't work for or earn.In other words, I am against people complaining that the game isn't fair because someone who puts in more time and effort gets something that they cant either because they suck, or they dont have the time.If your a casual, thats great - go be a casual and run your 5mans, but dont complain because people who have the time or put in the effort get more than you - that is fundamentally NOT FAIR. QQJudging by my previous comments rating, I suspect that WoWInsiders majority consist of the "I want everything while doing no real work" mindset so it will not surprise me to watch this get voted down.TL;DR = casuals are cool, entitled people suck, and wow is EZ.
11-24-2008 @ 5:39AM
I'd be willing to bet part of the whole 'easier' bit is due to the fact that as they get higher up in levels the problem is what about when people decide they really want to roll a healer and don't have one or a newb starts to play? All of a sudden they need to work from 1-80 and they probably prefer people to feel less intimidated by the idea of doing so.People starting new chars spreads out the numbers of where people are on the servers plus it keeps your player base sticking around for more. The longer they stick round the more money the company makes plus the more likely they are to encourage friends to join and play.... once again more money for the company.
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